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THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jan 10 @ 8:21 PM ET
Oh; Caufield scored again. He get more opportunities when Laine is out of the Habs lineup
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 10 @ 9:17 PM ET
Wheres Coots?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

coaching from the 4th line
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 10 @ 9:52 PM ET
How?

Last season: 74 points in 68 games. 1.08 Points per game.

This Season: 23 points in 18 games 1.27

- xShoot4WarAmpsx[points per game


Morgan Frost
D+0: 0.92
D+1: 1.67 (+82% improvement)

Travis Konecny
D+0: 1.13
D+1: 1.68 (+47% improvement)

Denver Barkey
D+0: 0.97
D+1: 1.59 (+64% improvement)

Jett Luchanko
D+0: 1.08
D+1: 1.27 (+17% improvement)


Starting to see what the issue is?

Especially for a kid like Jett who had big question marks about his offensive upside prior to the draft. There needs to be a sizable step forward taken and he hasn't taken it yet.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jan 10 @ 10:01 PM ET
I’d love to see a big game from cutter tomorrow. Proud of that kid for sticking it to the stooges
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Jan 10 @ 10:15 PM ET
Maybe he's not getting proper coaching like Ristolainen who was never properly coached until he came to the Flyers.
- MJL


Wow, there's a shocker! You took a jab at Risto. 4 years and running....you are so innovative with your daily assessment of Risto. It's quite unhealthy to be overly obsessed with a 3rd pair mediocre D-man...at best. You really should find another hobby besides being a hater. Sabres forum now at 22 comments since 1/4....you should hop on there and give your insight as to why they are a superior team than the Flyers.
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Jan 10 @ 10:18 PM ET
What is everyone complaining about? Luchenko has 23 points in 18 games. Thats over a point per game on a bad team. The leading OHL scorer is averaging 1.9 points per game and is 1 year older. Luchenko is 1.2 points per game. Im not seeing an issue.

We all should know the chances of him being a #1C are low. He is likely a #2 guy

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Well, Jett has to suck bc he was a Flyers pick. Buium is the next Bobby Orr!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jan 10 @ 10:23 PM ET
Well, Jett has to suck bc he was a Flyers pick. Buium is the next Bobby Orr!
- Don Nachbaur

You will find very few hockey scouts, virtually zero once you exclude the Flyers organization, that think Luchanko will be a better pro than Buium.

The Flyers brass always think they are the smartest guys in the room. How’s that worked out for them over the last decade?
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Jan 10 @ 10:30 PM ET
You will find very few hockey scouts, virtually zero once you exclude the Flyers organization, that think Luchanko will be a better pro than Buium.

The Flyers brass always think they are the smartest guys in the room. How’s that worked out for them over the last decade?

- BiggE


I hear you and you are probably right. I'm just hopeful that Jett turns out to be a great player for us in the future. I'm not a stepford fan...I just don't automatically hate on everything the Flyers do.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 10 @ 10:32 PM ET
Wow, there's a shocker! You took a jab at Risto. 4 years and running....you are so innovative with your daily assessment of Risto. It's quite unhealthy to be overly obsessed with a 3rd pair mediocre D-man...at best. You really should find another hobby besides being a hater. Sabres forum now at 22 comments since 1/4....you should hop on there and give your insight as to why they are a superior team than the Flyers.
- Don Nachbaur


I'll temporarily suspend just to say, do you realize how really bad you are at this? How you embarrass yourself every day? I'm guessing no. Good luck
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 10 @ 10:51 PM ET
I’d love to see a big game from cutter tomorrow. Proud of that kid for sticking it to the stooges
- Just5

(frank) cutter hope someone takes him out
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jan 10 @ 10:53 PM ET
Morgan Frost
D+0: 0.92
D+1: 1.67 (+82% improvement)

Travis Konecny
D+0: 1.13
D+1: 1.68 (+47% improvement)

Denver Barkey
D+0: 0.97
D+1: 1.59 (+64% improvement)

Jett Luchanko
D+0: 1.08
D+1: 1.27 (+17% improvement)


Starting to see what the issue is?

Especially for a kid like Jett who had big question marks about his offensive upside prior to the draft. There needs to be a sizable step forward taken and he hasn't taken it yet.

- Tomahawk

i dont' think those stats matter since frost is basically useless as a top 6 forward
Don Nachbaur
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.01.2021

Jan 10 @ 10:56 PM ET
I'll temporarily suspend just to say, do you realize how really bad you are at this? How you embarrass yourself every day? I'm guessing no. Good luck
- MJL


Haha thanks for the kind words! I'm only on here 2-3 days a week, unlike you who spend your life on here. The best part is you read every post and keep a tally in your rolodex. I just don't like a bully and and a pompous know it all, and that's what you are. Keep up the great work! Goooo Sabres and BJs!!!
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 11 @ 12:25 AM ET
First round picks selected as high as Jett and coming out of the CHL for the most part have crazy stats in their draft+1 seasons. Jett's production has indeed ticked up a bit this season, but not to the dominant extent that most high picks in his position tend to produce at in their draft+1 campaigns.
- Pixote Andolini


But the expectation of Jett is too high

Tippett had 74 points in 54 gams at 19 years old in the OHL. 1.37 PPG. He has turned out fine

Jack Quinn 89 points in 62 games at 18

Foerster 80 in 62 games.

There are plenty of guys who didnt have crazy numbers who have become good NHL players.

Examples of guys with Crazy numbers in the OHL are like Rossi, WyJo, Wright, J.Robertson ect. Luchenko has a very small chance to have that kind of ceiling.

Even if he was doing that well it means nothing. Frost had 109 points in 58 games and we've seen how he has developed. Bergeron came out of the QMHL and was barely a PPG player and he ended up as a #1C.

Juniors success doesnt mean as much as people make it out to be. Players succeed in juniors and bust in the NHL.


xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

Jan 11 @ 1:04 AM ET
You will find very few hockey scouts, virtually zero once you exclude the Flyers organization, that think Luchanko will be a better pro than Buium.

The Flyers brass always think they are the smartest guys in the room. How’s that worked out for them over the last decade?

- BiggE


And what of the GMs who picked other players above Biuim? A guy so great surely doesnt drop to 12th. Five teams tool another Dman befoire Biuim. Either the draft has a ton of Top pair potential D or maybe Biuim simply isnt as good as people make him out to be.....
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 11 @ 7:20 AM ET
Tippett had 74 points in 54 gams at 19 years old in the OHL. 1.37 PPG. He has turned out fine

Jack Quinn 89 points in 62 games at 18

Foerster 80 in 62 games.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Tipp scored 36 goals in 50 games in his D+1 year. Guy just didn't many assists. (Also debatable if he turned out fine for where he was drafted. Lack of improvement in his goals from D to D+1 was a bit of foreshadowing)

Bergeron went straight to the NHL post-draft. Foerster and Quinn were in the AHL because of COVID.

Dunno why you brought any of those guys up.

There are plenty of guys who didnt have crazy numbers who have become good NHL players.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


There really aren't, especially for undersized players like Jett.

Juniors success doesnt mean as much as people make it out to be. Players succeed in juniors and bust in the NHL.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Of course.

Big junior scoring rates and/or D+1 improvement are no guarantee.

But they are more or less a prerequisite if a guy has any shot at being a major offensive contributor at the NHL level.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 7:46 AM ET
But the expectation of Jett is too high

Tippett had 74 points in 54 gams at 19 years old in the OHL. 1.37 PPG. He has turned out fine

Jack Quinn 89 points in 62 games at 18

Foerster 80 in 62 games.

There are plenty of guys who didnt have crazy numbers who have become good NHL players.

Examples of guys with Crazy numbers in the OHL are like Rossi, WyJo, Wright, J.Robertson ect. Luchenko has a very small chance to have that kind of ceiling.

Even if he was doing that well it means nothing. Frost had 109 points in 58 games and we've seen how he has developed. Bergeron came out of the QMHL and was barely a PPG player and he ended up as a #1C.

Juniors success doesnt mean as much as people make it out to be. Players succeed in juniors and bust in the NHL.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


You're completely missing the context of the conversation. We're not looking for Luchanko to be just a good NHL player. In the conversation, nobody has stated that he won't be a good NHL player. It's about the comparison to Buium and his projection and how he is progressing. Luchanko's current point production rate in his D+1 season doesn't suggest that he is going to be a high level NHL point producer. Luchanko was drafted 13th overall. Looking for more than just a good NHL player. Tippett was drafted 10th overall. I'd be looking for a lot more than just fine from a 10th overall pick. He's really disappointing in that regard and part of why Florida was willing to trade him for a rental.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 7:48 AM ET
And what of the GMs who picked other players above Biuim? A guy so great surely doesnt drop to 12th. Five teams tool another Dman befoire Biuim. Either the draft has a ton of Top pair potential D or maybe Biuim simply isnt as good as people make him out to be.....
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


That argument has been debunked numerous times
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jan 11 @ 8:00 AM ET
Posting current NHL players full D+1 season stats compared to a guy who has played 18 games isn’t the burn you resident experts think it is. Go touch some grass, Jesus Christ.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jan 11 @ 8:03 AM ET
What is everyone complaining about? Luchenko has 23 points in 18 games. Thats over a point per game on a bad team. The leading OHL scorer is averaging 1.9 points per game and is 1 year older. Luchenko is 1.2 points per game. Im not seeing an issue.

We all should know the chances of him being a #1C are low. He is likely a #2 guy

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


More like a 3C

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jan 11 @ 8:11 AM ET
More like a 3C


- Flyfly


I personally think the Flyers drafted Luchanko for his speed, his 200 foot game and his intangibles. The Flyers as an organization continue to ridiculously overrate some values in a player. I just hope he becomes more than a faster, smaller Scott Laughton.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jan 11 @ 8:23 AM ET
So D Barkey, seems he is on a tear, full disclosure I don’t follow the D1 scoring rates, how is his, does it bode well for him being a great pick?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 11 @ 8:30 AM ET
And what of the GMs who picked other players above Biuim? A guy so great surely doesnt drop to 12th. Five teams tool another Dman befoire Biuim. Either the draft has a ton of Top pair potential D or maybe Biuim simply isnt as good as people make him out to be.....
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

does any of what you posted have to do with the flyers passing on taking the BPA?
flyers better hope he isn't another jankowski
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 11 @ 8:30 AM ET
That argument has been debunked numerous times
- MJL

how we doing cliff? right back on the horse. did you get any last night?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jan 11 @ 8:31 AM ET
I'll temporarily suspend just to say, do you realize how really bad you are at this? How you embarrass yourself every day? I'm guessing no. Good luck
- MJL

wow he is a lucky poster. to have you respond makes his weekend.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jan 11 @ 8:38 AM ET
That argument has been debunked numerous times
- MJL


How has this been debunked? How would anyone really know at this point? What we do know is 10 teams passed on him…SJ did it twice. 5 other D went ahead of him. I was surprised the Flyers passed on him, but so did a bunch of other teams.
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