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Noting that the point Bedard did get were when he was on the ice with Schlongerson and Hall - not 95 and 23, there is that. |
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The one thing LR said I won't forget about Bedard, and that was 1 week ago, was you can't get 1 goal and give up 2! Hard to argue with that reasoning.
Guess I'm not as over the moon over many seem to be about KK last night. Media and posters both. He showed poise at RKF this yr, which is why you LEAVE him alone, and carried that into last night. make no mistake, RKF has been good for KK. ..... Take note KK led the team in Ozone starts at 74% last night, as he should be.
The kid is not physically ready for the NHL but if you must play him in the Bigs shelter the kid. And have Bedard and KK on the ice together in 2024 at your own peril. - Mr Ricochet
KK did have a really good game last night, in all zones. He broke up several entries/D-zone passes, transitioned well, and was active and aggressive in the O-zone. Aside from scoring, he did pretty much everything you would ask of him. Easily the best skater from the back end.
Indeed he was sheltered which was kind of expected. What is the harm in bringing him back up for a couple games? He's going right back down when either Jones or Martinez returns. There simply isn't any room left in the d-corps.
Did giving Nazar, or Slaggert reps with the big club last year break them? if they show enough of what the coaches want to see in RFD, there is no reason that they shouldn't get a look with the big club as long as there is the opportunity to do so. Injuries to Jones and Martinez were the opportunities. |
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My god, it's hilarious that the Hawks are ahead of the Preds in the standings. |
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My god, it's hilarious that the Hawks are ahead of the Preds in the standings.  - Chunk
Yeah, I liked that too.
While we’re both currently old and bad pretty sure they don’t have a lot of help on the way now or in a year or two. |
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Yeah, I liked that too.
While we’re both currently old and bad pretty sure they don’t have a lot of help on the way now or in a year or two. - HawkintheD
They do have three first rounders this year, and traded for the great Ryder Rolston!! |
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Mr Ricochet
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That's just not true. Unless Bedard was on pace to score 40, if everyone hit a little higher than their career average they would have finished with like 220 goals (other people have done the math) which would still be 5th worst in the league.
TT is on pace for 19ish so not abnormally far from his career average esp when you take into account he's not playing with Aho or Svechnekov.
Bertuzzi is on pace for 19ish. Again not abnormally low for a low event team since his average is not much over 20 as well.
Foligno on pace for 21 which would be his most in 8 years.
Richardinson on pace for 15 which would be second most in his career by a decent amount.
Craig Smith on pace for like 18 which is his most in 5 years.
Bedard on pace for 15 which is bad but Donato on pace for 30 kind of makes up for it. Obviously one of those is kinda icky and the other one is mind blowing but like other guys have proved the last 3 years "some random is gonna put up points".
Kurashev sucks and no one should have expected him to replicate last year.
Reichel on pace for 9. I didn't expect a lot from him but maybe someone thought he'd score 20. Oops.
The defenders are on pace for 21 goals as a unit. I don't think thats too bad considering.
The rest of the roster isn't very relevant to this discussion.
So, because most of the guys with history are slightly under or slightly above their career numbers I would argue that they are scoring about how much they should be scoring relative to their talent.
There's room for not really impactful improvement if Bedard goes on a heater. Otherwise they do in fact have a major talent problem and that is why they can't score and what prompted Mciver to say "where the goals gonna come from?". - fattybeef
This is some nice work, Fatty. So much so my head hurts........ Until reading your post I was in agreement with BB that the club is not playing up to what talent it does have.
As I read the thing I'm thinking I'll punch holes in this but right now I can't but reserve the right to revisit.
So, KD and Crew went into the season chirping we added and we're gonna improve but didn't run the numbers you have that shows ain't a way in hell they can improve????
What am I, I mean the Hawk's organIzation and "tall foreheads" like Laz, missing that you caught, Fatty?
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KK did have a really good game last night, in all zones. He broke up several entries/D-zone passes, transitioned well, and was active and aggressive in the O-zone. Aside from scoring, he did pretty much everything you would ask of him. Easily the best skater from the back end.
Indeed he was sheltered which was kind of expected. What is the harm in bringing him back up for a couple games? He's going right back down when either Jones or Martinez returns. There simply isn't any room left in the d-corps.
Did giving Nazar, or Slaggert reps with the big club last year break them? if they show enough of what the coaches want to see in RFD, there is no reason that they shouldn't get a look with the big club as long as there is the opportunity to do so. Injuries to Jones and Martinez were the opportunities. - Chunk
Chunk, I'm ok with whatever the Hawks do until they show me they don't deserve that trust. The only thing they've done I have a real problem with was drafting Gajan with Hrabel on the board. ........ Watch what I tell you, that probably won't age well.
I just want them to manage risk reasonably and to me bringing up a KK for any length of time after showing what just 25 games down in RKF did for him is unreasonable risk. ...... Even with Sorensen down there KK was not tearing anything up. He was showing incremental development/improvement and IMO fooling with what's working is unessassary risk.
But yea, a few games ain't gonna hurt anything and when all is said and done unlocking Bedard is an organIzational key, but Jones didn't do it so chances are KK at 20 yrs old won't!!
Ditto for Nazar, but to a lesser extent. Easier to get away with a forwards mistakes than a Dman's when developing at the Big League level.
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Mr Ricochet
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Well from what i see he misses his one timers, actually making solid contact, a lot. Like the passing issue this is an issue for Bedard the goalies know he's going either top right or left on his wrist shot, even in 5 on 5 he could use this stick which would actually affect the elevations on his wrist shot which wouldn't be a bad thing. - BetweenTheDots
Don't know the reason but Bedard's 1 timer is indeed feckless 9 outa 10 times. You'd think the amount of shooting reps he must have done throughout his life and with his natural shooting ability he'd be lethal with a 1 timer at 15 yrs old.
I've seen a lotta jrs players have that thing down pat.
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SC116
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You'd think - but at the same time, his style of play usually has been him up ice, being the puck feeder- not the recipient.
To be fair- that's usually going to be something a winger is more engaged with as opposed to a Center- and particularly a Center who is the go to go on the team.
Flex - that can be a big deal -as he appeared to really like sticks made out of rubber - but that doesn't seem to have served him all that well, in the technical sense- for the skill level that is up against him - I remember using just cheap wooden sticks- and guys with the super high flex composite sticks couldn't even do much to lift my stick - so I can definitely see that being a factor in the actual levels of competition - not the rec stuff I was doing. |
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This is crazy, armchair centermen on the BOD giving advice about his stick to kid all of us combined don’t have the talent he has in his big toe? Reminds me when Bickell was falling all over the place and one poster suggested the team’s skate sharpener didn’t know what he was doing and thought Bickell should get his skates sharpened at a sports store somewhere in suburban Chicago. Bedard knows and understands what stick is best for him. He’s also going through a slump he’ll figure out, probably when there’s someone on his line who can score so teams can’t double and triple team him. |
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This is crazy, armchair centermen on the BOD giving advice about his stick to kid all of us combined don’t have the talent he has in his big toe? Reminds me when Bickell was falling all over the place and one poster suggested the team’s skate sharpener didn’t know what he was doing and thought Bickell should get his skates sharpened at a sports store somewhere in suburban Chicago. Bedard knows and understands what stick is best for him. He’s also going through a slump he’ll figure out, probably when there’s someone on his line who can score so teams can’t double and triple team him. - paulr
Good one Paul.
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Shisterken gross annual salary $11.5 mil after tax $5.1
Ottenger annual AAV $8,25 mil after tax $5.2 mil. |
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The one thing LR said I won't forget about Bedard, and that was 1 week ago, was you can't get 1 goal and give up 2! Hard to argue with that reasoning.
Guess I'm not as over the moon over many seem to be about KK last night. Media and posters both. He showed poise at RKF this yr, which is why you LEAVE him alone, and carried that into last night. make no mistake, RKF has been good for KK. ..... Take note KK led the team in Ozone starts at 74% last night, as he should be.
The kid is not physically ready for the NHL but if you must play him in the Bigs shelter the kid. And have Bedard and KK on the ice together in 2024 at your own peril. - Mr Ricochet
But if the goal is to get Bedard going and build confidence you want them on the ice together because they are two creative players that should do some damage.
If he plays like he did last night he'll be fine in the NHL and if it truly is the best player plays then he'll stay up and they'll rotate or move the veterans.
Keith's second Norris season he started 57.6% of the time in the ozone.
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This is some nice work, Fatty. So much so my head hurts........ Until reading your post I was in agreement with BB that the club is not playing up to what talent it does have.
As I read the thing I'm thinking I'll punch holes in this but right now I can't but reserve the right to revisit.
So, KD and Crew went into the season chirping we added and we're gonna improve but didn't run the numbers you have that shows ain't a way in hell they can improve????
What am I, I mean the Hawk's organIzation and "tall foreheads" like Laz, missing that you caught, Fatty? - Mr Ricochet
Davidson and crew did run the numbers and Maciver (associate GM) literally said "where are the goals going to come from?" on a television program lol.
The reason I think LR was trapping was because he knew they were light in talent and was attempting to win games 2-1 and 1-0 but that just isn't the reality of the league and apparently the players had no appetite for it.
Daryl Sutter made a post game comment "it's a three goal league" and thats really the minimum to win on most nights.
My concern would be that KD and crew were assuming or hoping that Phil Kurashev was in fact a 50-60 point player (surprise he's not) and that Reichel would take a big step forward or that Mikheyev just needed a change of scenery. Maybe they banked on Bedard banging in 40 with no meaningful help. If they were relying on Nazar to step in and score 20 I think that is a little ridiculous. I think if they left him up he would be on pace to finish with 35 points which obviously in my opinion would be more valuable than 90 in rockford but not enough to impact their place in the standings by much.
Realistically; I think you'd hope Reichel would figure it out but not bet on it. If their pro scouting identified Mikheyev as a guy who could contribute that isn't great. They only got a second to eat that deal. Brodie was obviously a miss. Hall has been injured, can use that as an excuse but it also tracks with his history of 4 seasons over 70 games played.
It's dudes filling roster spots. The fact that they thought this roster would be that much better I think is concerning. It would have been better for them to say it's going to be another rough year but we are confident in the players we expect to be up soon and we will start putting pieces in place to be more competitive in the long run. Instead of letting assistant GM captain talks a lot set expectations.
Now Hall could go on a heater but that wouldn't track with his history (he's only scored over 30 goals one time or hasn't been healthy enough to get there) and probably doesn't move the needle since someone else is going to regress to the mean, like Donato, for example.
They'd need 3 or 4 guys to get scorching hot for about 15 games to take 9 or 10 of them to move up a bit but I just don't see that from this group.
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But if the goal is to get Bedard going and build confidence you want them on the ice together because they are two creative players that should do some damage.
If he plays like he did last night he'll be fine in the NHL and if it truly is the best player plays then he'll stay up and they'll rotate or move the veterans.
Keith's second Norris season he started 57.6% of the time in the ozone. - fattybeef
I'm starting to 2nd guess Davidson as a legitimate NHL general manager.
I think he is better suited as a draft talent evaluator, than someone charged with constructing an NHL roster.
I have seen Frank Nazar's play recently. There is nothing for him to learn at the AHL level. And with the one coach in the system actually charged with young player development now at the NHL level, there is no more "teaching" for the Icehogs. Mark Eaton is NOT a coach. I hope he is just a place holder.
Frank Nazar belongs on the NHL club, and should have been from the start of the season. If the team's goal is to jump start Bedard, then pair him up with the 2nd best offensive player in the system, and let them go. This team isn't doing anything this year anyway, they should begin the process of Nazar and Bedard learning each other's game sooner than later.
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paulr
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I'm starting to 2nd guess Davidson as a legitimate NHL general manager.
I think he is better suited as a draft talent evaluator, than someone charged with constructing an NHL roster.
I have seen Frank Nazar's play recently. There is nothing for him to learn at the AHL level. And with the one coach in the system actually charged with young player development now at the NHL level, there is no more "teaching" for the Icehogs. Mark Eaton is NOT a coach. I hope he is just a place holder.
Frank Nazar belongs on the NHL club, and should have been from the start of the season. If the team's goal is to jump start Bedard, then pair him up with the 2nd best offensive player in the system, and let them go. This team isn't doing anything this year anyway, they should begin the process of Nazar and Bedard learning each other's game sooner than later. - dahawks8819
Maybe you should apply as GM? You’re obviously more astute than KFC.
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Maybe you should apply as GM? You’re obviously more astute than KFC. - paulr
KFC's had more than enough time to make this team a contender. It's time to move on! |
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Shisterken gross annual salary $11.5 mil after tax $5.1
Ottenger annual AAV $8,25 mil after tax $5.2 mil. - LAHawk
I think you need to check your math |
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BGKarras
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Before this site goes dark. We should have a list of the best Trolls that came to BOD. Man did it make for some must read during the Hawks golden years. It was hilarious and heated all the time.
1. Vopatsrash ?
2.VanCan guy
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paulr
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Before this site goes dark. We should have a list of the best Trolls that came to BOD. Man did it make for some must read during the Hawks golden years. It was hilarious and heated all the time.
1. Vopatsrash ?
2.VanCan guy
 - BGKarras
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HawkintheD
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paulr
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Fife and Edzo - HawkintheD
Wonder if poor Edzo is still crying? Poor baby. |
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They threw an awful lot of darts in 2003, 4 and 5. I think they had like 14 picks in one of those drafts. - fattybeef
17 picks in 2004 (draft was 9 rounds) Bolland, Bickell, Brower, Barker
12 picks in 2005 (draft was 7 rounds) Hjalmarrson
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