I think 70 points is realistic. Assuming he gets to play with top 9 players at 5 on 5 this season and gets more powerplay time.
- mickel25

It's completely unrealistic in my opinion. The Flyers are going to struggle to score. Their PP will be awful. On this team, any offensive forward posting 50 points will be a strong season.

Staal is not capable of playing an 82 game season at 20+ minutes a night, especially against top lines night in and night out
- ClaudeFather

Didn't say he was, just said he is the only one i trust.

I think 70 points is realistic. Assuming he gets to play with top 9 players at 5 on 5 this season and gets more powerplay time.
- mickel25

The Flyers haven't had a player crack 70 points since the 18-19 season.

It's completely unrealistic in my opinion. The Flyers are going to struggle to score. Their PP will be awful. On this team, any offensive forward posting 50 points will be a strong season.
- MJL

Think 50 is the mark for Frost, no matter that team around him. It will show he is for real

I just don't see another Dman I trust being a top pair Dman. York may get it by default but I just don't trust anybody else. With Stall I know he will give 100% effort on every shift and has years of experience that will help compensate for his lack of youth and speed.
- WhiskeyMan

There isn't any defenseman on this team that anyone should trust on the top pair. Sanheim and York are easily the two best and they're not top pairing defenseman. In my opinion, they should be protected and kept away from top line matchups as much as possible.

Didn't say he was, just said he is the only one i trust.
- WhiskeyMan

If you trust him so much, at least spell his name right.

They just have no sure things at center. Cates is more likely than not a 3C, who knows what Coots is now (and the contract is horrible), Gauthier might play center. If Frost steps up and is a point producing first line capable center, that’s a very good thing for this team
- ClaudeFather

If Frost steps up and is a point producing first line center. Couturier comes back and plays well, Cates continues his strong play and Gauthier plays center and meets his top 5 potential, what would you do?

What's the points expectation for Frost?
- hello it's me 2050

Let's see if he is 2C or 3C. Regular power play time (and teamwide PP improvement) or not. Then a points expectation becomes more projectable. His ES production was good last season as it turned out but the PP numbers weren't there.

You’re assuming everyone plays well and there are no other moves made prior. It’s a non issue
- ClaudeFather

def a non issue. If all are playing well that is as they say a great problem to have.

Plus does anyone see Frost out lasting the coach?

Let's see if he is 2C or 3C. Regular power play time (and teamwide PP improvement) or not. Then a points expectation becomes more projectable. His ES production was good last season as it turned out but the PP numbers weren't there.
- bmeltzer

Mine is same range as last year. hopefully a slight improvement.

Based on how he produced those last 50 games, which many like to mention. 60 isn't unrealistic at all imo.

Good news about Frost.

Morning Bill!
- FlyersGrace

Yea, the Vegas numbers got lowered for a cup 🥤

If Frost steps up and is a point producing first line center. Couturier comes back and plays well, Cates continues his strong play and Gauthier plays center and meets his top 5 potential, what would you do?
- MJL

what would you do? You look to move the older vet that has a long term deal.

Didn't say he was, just said he is the only one i trust.
- WhiskeyMan

Of course you did. When you posted "Unfortunately IMO, Stall is the only first pair Dman the Flyers have."

If Frost steps up and is a point producing first line center. Couturier comes back and plays well, Cates continues his strong play and Gauthier plays center and meets his top 5 potential, what would you do?
- MJL

I’ve already gave you my position on all 4 of the players

what would you do? You look to move the older vet that has a long term deal.
- hello it's me 2050

We can all hope that Coots contract is gone

If all play well, Cates will be movable, with a good return. You look to move the older player, Coots most likely will not be movable. There is an outside shot. Frost will be movable. Then you considered the easier player to replace. If Frost and Cates both continue to develop, my opinion, Cates is the one to move.

Exactly: a rebuild doesn't mean dump every vet at the first chance. It means everyone is available for the right return but there's also no rush to trade top players in their primes just for the sake of assets. See if you can gain leverage and, when the time is right, deal from strength.

Have to be honest here: If Torts hadn't been publicly critical of Hayes and DeAngelo -- and made it obvious to everyone that he wanted them gone at all costs -- the Flyers might have gotten at least a little more back in return. Sanheim's contract term made a deal tough anyway, but Torts ripping on him so publicly and seemingly prioritizing him as another player who'd be gone if he had his druthers, certainly didn't help the Flyers' chances of trying to make a trade from anything but a position of weakness.

Sometimes, Torts' candor is a double-edged sword. Moving forward, while he shouldn't -- and almost certainly won't -- totally avoid scathing critiques when he believes they're merited, he should also consider the factor of trying not to tie the GM's hands. Just my opinion.
- bmeltzer

In regards to Tortorella’s “candor”; if we can see past his bluster and bullpoop shouldn’t other NHL GMs be able to?

Exactly: a rebuild doesn't mean dump every vet at the first chance. It means everyone is available for the right return but there's also no rush to trade top players in their primes just for the sake of assets. See if you can gain leverage and, when the time is right, deal from strength.

Have to be honest here: If Torts hadn't been publicly critical of Hayes and DeAngelo -- and made it obvious to everyone that he wanted them gone at all costs -- the Flyers might have gotten at least a little more back in return. Sanheim's contract term made a deal tough anyway, but Torts ripping on him so publicly and seemingly prioritizing him as another player who'd be gone if he had his druthers, certainly didn't help the Flyers' chances of trying to make a trade from anything but a position of weakness.

Sometimes, Torts' candor is a double-edged sword. Moving forward, while he shouldn't -- and almost certainly won't -- totally avoid scathing critiques when he believes they're merited, he should also consider the factor of trying not to tie the GM's hands. Just my opinion.
-Bill Meltzer

Exactly right. That is my biggest criticism of Torts who overall I like as a head coach. He needs to think big picture and keep his mouth shut about players he hates, so the team can get better returns for them. And he needs to stop the benchings/healthy scratches of players that might fetch a good return in a trade.

In regards to Tortorella’s “candor”; if we can see past his bluster and bullpoop shouldn’t other NHL GMs be able to?
- Dkos

I think they do but that does not stop other GMS from using his words as leverage in a negotiation.

York is no more a 1st pairing defenseman than Sanheim is. Neither is legitimately a first pairing defenseman. Sanheim is a solid player who had a subpar year offensively and with the puck. He was the teams best defender last year.
- MJL

don' know about the teams best defender. Provie had the harder match ups. I would take provie over travis any day of the week.

yorks play last year was better than travis

I’ve already gave you my position on all 4 of the players
- ClaudeFather

Yes you did but I'm taking to conversation further. To illustrate how it could be a tough decision.

If Frost steps up and is a point producing first line center. Couturier comes back and plays well, Cates continues his strong play and Gauthier plays center and meets his top 5 potential, what would you do?
- MJL

Gauthier will play wing in the NHL with a spot start at C if needed.

don' know about the teams best defender. Provie had the harder match ups. I would take provie over travis any day of the week.

yorks play last year was better than travis
- Peter Richards

Provorov did have the harder matchups but he did not defend well. Sanheim did.

Gauthier will play wing in the NHL with a spot start at C if needed.
- jd250

You don't know that to be a fact. It's about the future.

If all play well, Cates will be movable, with a good return. You look to move the older player, Coots most likely will not be movable. There is an outside shot. Frost will be movable. Then you considered the easier player to replace. If Frost and Cates both continue to develop, my opinion, Cates is the one to move.
- wcorvette

I don't know if I agree with that. It depends on what level Frost develops to. I think he's most likely a 3C with a top upside of a 2C. Cates has that prototypical two way 3C play along with future Selke potential. I don't see them moving that kind of player. Even though I think Cates offensive production will plumet playing 3C.