Because you can't sign everyone, and there will be a glut of players in line for raises with UFA status looming. But that's not a concern for Sept. 2023. It something that will take shape over the next two seasons.
- bmeltzer

Not a concern for now but that’s also assuming everyone else plays well. And you have to factor in that other moves will be made
Prior to him being signed. Spinning playing frost playing well into a difficult decision doesn’t really make sense at the moment.

morning blue bay village.

Pepperidge Farms raspberry/apricot cookies are so good. What's your favorite cookie.

York is no more a 1st pairing defenseman than Sanheim is. Neither is legitimately a first pairing defenseman. Sanheim is a solid player who had a subpar year offensively and with the puck. He was the teams best defender last year.
- MJL

Unfortunately IMO, Stall is the only first pair Dman the Flyers have.

There is no logjam at center! What are you talking about? Coots could go down very quickly with his wonky back and then what? Frost will probably be sitting in the press box after his next "soft" game cause if you think Torts was tough on him before just wait and see how it goes now that he is making real money. I make TK the captain! Laughts and Sanheim can go although I'm guessing no one will take Sanheim with that burden of a long contract. BAH!
- Phillywhiteout

Tortorella scratched Frost once last year, albeit in front of his family and friends in the rink where he'd grown up (just as with ex-Hitman Sanheim in Calgary with his parents, twin brother and friends in the stands). I doubt TOrtorella will be any more -- or less -- tough on Frost based on his contract. Say what you will about Tortorella, but he couldn't care less about a player's contract.

Unfortunately IMO, Stall is the only first pair Dman the Flyers have.
- WhiskeyMan

York and Sanheim are both better players than staal

Exactly: a rebuild doesn't mean dump every vet at the first chance. It means everyone is available for the right return but there's also no rush to trade top players in their primes just for the sake of assets.
- bmeltzer

I agree in general, but if there really was an offer for Laughton that was 1st + 2nd or 1st + prospect, then they should have taken it.

And I say that as Laughton's most consistent supporter on this forum for the last decade.

Tortorella scratched Frost once last year, albeit in front of his family and friends in the rink where he'd grown up (just as with ex-Hitman Sanheim in Calgary with his parents, twin brother and friends in the stands).
- bmeltzer

What a BIG coincidence.

And the one game he scratched Hayes for was in New York against the Rags.

York and Sanheim are both better players than staal
- ClaudeFather

Like I said, IMO. Sanheim does nothing for me other than making me laugh every time he passing the puck up the boards to the other team.

York still has more to prove to me for him to be considered a top 2 dman for the flyers

I don’t see Gauthier playing center at the NHL level. Cates should not be a top 2 center either. Coots is hopefully gone at some point. Center is not a stong point of the flyers.
- ClaudeFather

You may not see Gauthier playing center at the NHL level but the Flyers do. There is no guarantee that Couturier is traded. Frost's ultimate potential may see him as a point producing 3C. If Cates is not a top 2 center than he is a 3C. Couturier, Gauthier and potentially Michkov along with Cates and Frost make a potential logjam. If all play well. that's not a bad problem but it does make it more than a simple just pay him based on production equation.

Unfortunately IMO, Stall is the only first pair Dman the Flyers have.
- WhiskeyMan

LOL, Staal is not remotely close to being a first pair defenseman in this league. The Flyers may use him in that role, hopefully, but he is not that player. He is a 3rd pair defenseman at this point on his way to retirement.

York and Sanheim are both better players than staal
- ClaudeFather

It would probably make sense to go with a 1st pairing of:

York-Sanheim

then

Staal-Risto
Seeler-Walker
Zamula

Similar to what the Flyers did in after firing Hak in 18-19 when they didn't have much depth on defense.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...erGame&page=0&pageSize=50

Provorov - 21:12 ES TOI/GP
Sanheim - 19:48

Ghost - 15:37
Gudas - 15:35
Myers - 14:32
Hagg - 14:14
MacDonald - 13:49

Exactly: a rebuild doesn't mean dump every vet at the first chance. It means everyone is available for the right return but there's also no rush to trade top players in their primes just for the sake of assets. See if you can gain leverage and, when the time is right, deal from strength.

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- bmeltzer

Doesn't trading those players also help your draft position?

They traded or tried to trade the players the coach/co-gm does not like. Kept the ones he likes who have value. You really see that changing Bill?

You worry about that when the time comes. You don't worry about a logjam at center when they will be very weak at center if Coots goes down again. Guess you've never ran your own business. Huh?

- Phillywhiteout

You're having reading comprehension issues and trouble following the context of the conversation again. The context of the conversation is the decision needing to be made on re-signing Frost in 2 years. Try and follow along Mr. Exec!

It would probably make sense to got with a 1st pairing of:

York-Sanheim

then

Staal-Risto
Seeler-Walker
Zamula

Similar to what the Flyers did in after firing Hak in 18-19 when they didn't have much depth on defense.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...erGame&page=0&pageSize=50

Provorov - 21:12 ES TOI/GP
Sanheim - 19:48

Ghost - 15:37
Gudas - 15:35
Myers - 14:32
Hagg - 14:14
MacDonald - 13:49
- Feanor

If the Flyers are smart, they will use Staal/Ristolainen to match up against top lines as much as possible.

It would probably make sense to got with a 1st pairing of:

York-Sanheim

then

Staal-Risto
Seeler-Walker
Zamula

Similar to what the Flyers did in after firing Hak in 18-19 when they didn't have much depth on defense.

https://www.nhl.com/stats...erGame&page=0&pageSize=50

Provorov - 21:12 ES TOI/GP
Sanheim - 19:48

Ghost - 15:37
Gudas - 15:35
Myers - 14:32
Hagg - 14:14
MacDonald - 13:49
- Feanor

It’s gonna be a long year lol

You may not see Gauthier playing center at the NHL level but the Flyers do. There is no guarantee that Couturier is traded. Frost's ultimate potential may see him as a point producing 3C. If Cates is not a top 2 center than he is a 3C. Couturier, Gauthier and potentially Michkov along with Cates and Frost make a potential logjam. If all play well. that's not a bad problem but it does make it more than a simple just pay him based on production equation.
- MJL

It’s a non issue, and it’s a good thing if Frost plays well

LOL, Staal is not remotely close to being a first pair defenseman in this league. The Flyers may use him in that role, hopefully, but he is not that player. He is a 3rd pair defenseman at this point on his way to retirement.
- MJL

I just don't see another Dman I trust being a top pair Dman. York may get it by default but I just don't trust anybody else. With Stall I know he will give 100% effort on every shift and has years of experience that will help compensate for his lack of youth and speed.

What's the points expectation for Frost?

I just don't see another Dman I trust being a top pair Dman. York may get it by default but I just don't trust anybody else. With Stall I know he will give 100% effort on every shift and has years of experience that will help compensate for his lack of youth and speed.
- WhiskeyMan

Staal is not capable of playing an 82 game season at 20+ minutes a night, especially against top lines night in and night out

I don’t see Gauthier playing center at the NHL level. Cates should not be a top 2 center either. Coots is hopefully gone at some point. Center is not a stong point of the flyers.
- ClaudeFather

Having a line where you have a frost and Gauthier or Cates playing and can center, it is not the worse thing. They do have options, I honestly can see Gauthier being on wing or hybrid deployment.

What's the points expectation for Frost?
- hello it's me 2050

Low 50s

What's the points expectation for Frost?
- hello it's me 2050

I think 70 points is realistic. Assuming he gets to play with top 9 players at 5 on 5 this season and gets more powerplay time.

Having a line where you have a frost and Gauthier or Cates playing and can center, it is not the worse thing. They do have options, I honestly can see Gauthier being on wing or hybrid deployment.
- wcorvette

They just have no sure things at center. Cates is more likely than not a 3C, who knows what Coots is now (and the contract is horrible), Gauthier might play center. If Frost steps up and is a point producing first line capable center, that’s a very good thing for this team

It’s a non issue, and it’s a good thing if Frost plays well
- ClaudeFather

I disagree that it's a non-issue. If all are playing well at center, than it is a tough decision on what to do. Along with the issues that it could potentially cause if they decide they want to move on from Couturier for example.

I disagree that it's a non-issue. If all are playing well at center, than it is a tough decision on what to do. Along with the issues that it could potentially cause if they decide they want to move on from Couturier for example.
- MJL

You’re assuming everyone plays well and there are no other moves made prior. It’s a non issue