Selection bias?
- coffee junkie

I don't think it's anything about that. Simply about leverage.

I think being very knowledgeable with stats is beneficial. I think they are merely guidelines for decisions and don’t tell the whole picture but they serve a purpose. There’s too many factors in a fast moving game with a lot of moving parts for certain stats to be the “end all be all”.

Where I’m coming from there are a lot of things statisticians will never see or understand. The microseconds you have to make decisions with the puck, the human (albeit dramatic) element of all pro sports. The personalities… the chemistry… things you can’t plan for… while these all sound wonderous and non-existent on paper they are very real. The drama of human nature makes pro sports interesting.

Someone who only looks at stats sees this and says none of this is real. As someone who has played I say these things are very real.

Have you ever had a guy on your team that performs well but is such a poopty dude in person he drags the entire team down? Or have you been apart of a team where you can’t trust the other players? Those facets appear on the ice in one way or another. I’ve had teams with peak camaraderie that play as if each person was just an extension of each other and we played like a singular unit. There have been teams where you can’t trust guys with the puck for one reason or another and it plays out on the ice in horrible fashion. Yeah Hayes didn’t have a terrible year but sometimes the other things he brings to the table are not worth the trade off. But if you only see a guy as what his stat sheet says you are not getting the full picture.

Whether some like it or not these are people and not robots with Overall #’s attached to them. Having one rotten apple in the bunch, no matter how many points they had, can be detrimental to a team trying to find an identity and grow.

When Hayes got moved I didn’t think “oh god why are they dumping this player with this many points for nothing” … I’m thinking “who is this guy really behind the scenes and what did he do or not do to get moved”

I don’t care if Charles Manson had a 100 point season if he’s gonna convince the rest of the team to murder Sharon Tate

What I would love is if we all pulled our various experiences and knowledge together and talked about the same team we all claim to love with some civility.

I don't feel as though Tortorella had any influence on this contract.
- MJL

What!? I thought he was the assistant gm?

Is Frost a coaster? Does he need to be ‘flushed’?
- coffee junkie

He’s not the answer

I think being very knowledgeable with stats is beneficial. I think they are merely guidelines for decisions and don’t tell the whole picture but they serve a purpose. There’s too many factors in a fast moving game with a lot of moving parts for certain stats to be the “end all be all”.

Where I’m coming from there are a lot of things statisticians will never see or understand. The microseconds you have to make decisions with the puck, the human (albeit dramatic) element of all pro sports. The personalities… the chemistry… things you can’t plan for… while these all sound wonderous and non-existent on paper they are very real. The drama of human nature makes pro sports interesting.

Someone who only looks at stats sees this and says none of this is real. As someone who has played I say these things are very real.

Have you even had a guy on your team that performs well but is such a poopty dude in person he drags the entire team down? Or have you been apart of a team where you can’t trust the other players? Those facets appear on the ice in one way or another. I’ve had teams with peak camaraderie that play as if each person was just an extension of each other and we played like a singular unit. There have been teams where you can’t trust guys with the puck for one reason or another and it plays out on the ice in horrible fashion. Yeah Hayes didn’t have a terrible year but sometimes the other things he brings to the table are not worth the trade off. But if you only see a guy as what his stat sheet says you are not getting the full picture.

Whether some like it or not these are people and not robots with Overall #’s attached to them. Having one rotten apple in the bunch, no matter how many points they had, can be detrimental to a team trying to find an identity and grow.

When Hayes got moved I didn’t think “oh god why are they dumping this player with this many points for nothing” … I’m thinking “who is this guy really behind the scenes and what did he do or not do to get moved”

I don’t care if Charles Manson had a 100 point season if he’s gonna convince the rest of the team to murder Sharon Tate

What I would love is if we all pulled our various experiences and knowledge together and talked about the same team we all claim to love with some civility.
- black_francis

imo this is simply a case of the coach not liking him as soon as he was hired. had his mind made up.

Gonna take a chance on her
One bullet in the cylinder
And in a moment of passion
Get the glory like Charles Manson.

imo this is simply a case of the coach not liking him as soon as he was hired. had his mind made up.

Gonna take a chance on her
One bullet in the cylinder
And in a moment of passion
Get the glory like Charles Manson.
- hello it's me 2050

It can be both.

I stated it. my PM to you said, "what is your Franking problem?" I only remember it was because you were attacking me and I had no idea why.

It was sent back in Feb. Unfortunately I have no PM in my sent folder before 2022 so I have no idea what I sent you
- MBFlyerfan

No that is not what I was referring too. “Attacking”. Jesus.

Knowledgeable people know who the trolls are you don’t need to be a troll to figure it out
- 2Real

Wise men don’t brag about being wise men.

You're having reading comprehension issues and trouble following the context of the conversation again. The context of the conversation is the decision needing to be made on re-signing Frost in 2 years. Try and follow along Mr. Exec!
- MJL

Dude, why don't you go get checked for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD)? Now we're going to beat the exec thing to death. You really tend to obsess over things to a serious fault. I should have known better to say that to you. The first dumb thing that I have done on here cause now I'm gonna have to hear about this all the time. At least I don't work at Bed, Bath and Beyond like you do. Clown!

If Frost steps up and is a point producing first line center. Couturier comes back and plays well, Cates continues his strong play and Gauthier plays center and meets his top 5 potential, what would you do?
- MJL

That ain't gonna happen dumbass!

Provorov did have the harder matchups but he did not defend well. Sanheim did.
- MJL

Is that why Jsaq left?
- black_francis

A couple posters from back in the day left due to another poster

before he joined the flyers, my dad had many gigs with minor league hockey teams. i was in and out of those locker rooms growing up...

and let me tell ya...

those guys' hogs...nothing minor about em'.

Well, the weird only come out on the internet and those who aren’t aware of their weird are the most dangerous ones.
- SuperSchennBros

That's the pot calling the kettle black (no pun intended).

That ain't gonna happen dumbass!
- Phillywhiteout

It's a hypothetical. Not a prediction.

let's play "Name Your Avatar"

mine is Bob Odenkirk with a slingshot.

I know more than you!

I know more than you!


- Glak18

Put jorts on that guy and it's MJL!
Ah, I'm just kidding. Don't wanna start the jorts talk again although I did find it quite hysterical.

Do most think around 20 goals and 30+ assists for 50+ points would be a very successful year for Frost?

Dude, why don't you go get checked for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD)? Now we're going to beat the exec thing to death. You really tend to obsess over things to a serious fault. I should have known better to say that to you. The first dumb thing that I have done on here cause now I'm gonna have to hear about this all the time. At least I don't work at Bed, Bath and Beyond like you do. Clown!

- Phillywhiteout

I was a top executive at Bed, Bath, and Beyond. Huge salary, lots of benefits. Summer shore house. Huge bonuses.

Do most think around 20 goals and 30+ assists for 50+ points would be a very successful year for Frost?
- NC Flyers Fan

I do.

That's the pot calling the kettle black (no pun intended).

- Phillywhiteout

Oh hey everyone, the CEO of a high level executive company is here. Be careful what you say, he might fire you.

Do most think around 20 goals and 30+ assists for 50+ points would be a very successful year for Frost?
- NC Flyers Fan

Seems reasonable as long as he doesn't get stuck with 4th liners

Oh hey everyone, the CEO of a high level executive company is here. Be careful what you say, he might fire you.
- SuperSchennBros

OMG, you have the sense of humor of a tadpole. The scary part is that you and your big brother are going to beat this thing to death and actually think it's humorous. I'd never fire you, so you have no worries. Of course, I'd never hire you either. I tend to stay away from drama queens in both my professional and personal life. Thanks!

OMG, you have the sense of humor of a tadpole. The scary part is that you and your big brother are going to beat this thing to death and actually think it's humorous. I'd never fire you, so you have no worries. Of course, I'd never hire you either. I tend to stay away from drama queens in both my professional and personal life. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

And yet here you are…again…with the rest of us drama queens.