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Forums :: Blog World :: Mike Augello: Report: Dubas being looked at by NHLPA; Leafs Dark Horse GM Candidates
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Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 25 @ 4:24 PM ET
The Leafs aren't going to announce to the world that they've decided they must trade one of their core. The other teams would say okay, we'll offer you (frank) all and a couple of chocolate bars.
- Zezel

Pridham has likely been making calls and getting a sense of who’s interested and possible returns
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

May 25 @ 4:25 PM ET
Exxxxactly.
- mjones242


It is the safer option, rather than coming out and saying we're trading everyone!

For all we know, it was Shanny that wanted to trade Nylander and Dubas wouldn't do it?
Who leaks this 'info' to the media anyway?
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

May 25 @ 4:34 PM ET
Holy (frank). What can go wrong?

- .HOHO.

I listed the players currently under contract

Add 2 fw, 1 dman

Not looking nearly as bad as many think
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

May 25 @ 4:40 PM ET
- Gio is done
- really hoping Knies can contribute, he looked pretty good in the playoffs
- Robertson-Holmberg-Laff is seriously lacking as your 3rd line.
- Steeves-Abruzzese-McMann is a wonderful Marlies line but a horrid 4th line on the big club
- I think we should re-sign Schenn
- Liljegren needs to step up his game and be given every opportunity to do so
- Agreed with starting the year with Murray unless there's a guy like Helly who becomes available

The Leafs need more grit and another stud defender. Brodie may need to be shipped off.

This team needs a lot of work.

- mjones242


CLAUSE DETAILS: 2023-24: Player submits a 10 team no-trade list
at least 21 other teams he can be traded to
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

May 25 @ 5:10 PM ET
Do you think Brendan is going to say to a potential candidate 'I will only hire you, if you pinky swear not to move one of the top guys'?
- PatC80

He is going to say don't trade them for the sake of change yes, as he stated.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

May 25 @ 5:25 PM ET
Aaron - from last thread.

Per capfriendly:
Club electing for Arbitration in the first window can be made in lieu of a Qualifying Offer

- The Law[CBA 12.3(a)(ii)]
Player cannot be awarded less than 85% of his previous years combined base salary, signing bonuses and performance bonuses [CBA 12.3(a)(iii)] (85% of his salary of 8,225,000 is about 6,999,000)
Club offer for Arbitration in the second window equal to or higher than the Players previous years combined base salary, signing bonuses and performance bonuses [CBA 12.3(b)(ii)]

As I said, I read them. I didn't give misinformation.


Aaron, 85% of his last years salary (1.8M) is $1.53 milly. That's the lowest award. I'm assuming you totalled all of his career earning to get the $8.225 figure?


It specifically says "years". I don't know how he'd get less than he's currently making and his QO wouldn't be less either. It doesn't make sense that way.

Either way (cause I could be wrong) there IS a set rule for awarding the amount money in which you claimed there was none.
Buck Norris
Joined: 07.03.2018

May 25 @ 5:29 PM ET
Pridham has likely been making calls and getting a sense of who’s interested and possible returns
- Canada Cup
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I don't think any of the core will be traded until the team knows for certain that Matthews is resigning. You trade away Marner and or Nylander you better get equal or better players back ( highly doughtfull ) because if you dont and Matthews doesn't sign and walks the teams pretty much screwed IMO.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

May 25 @ 5:44 PM ET
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I don't think any of the core will be traded until the team knows for certain that Matthews is resigning. You trade away Marner and or Nylander you better get equal or better players back ( highly doughtfull ) because if you dont and Matthews doesn't sign and walks the teams pretty much screwed IMO.

- Buck Norris

Sort of. If they trade Marner it has to be before Matthews can sign. They still have the option to trade Willie since he can only block to 7 (I think) teams. Any trade better be a good one otherwise Matthews becomes more likely to walk.
islansjet
Joined: 03.13.2017

May 25 @ 6:42 PM ET
What experienced GM would want to work for Shannyplan?
I'm sure the Leafs will greatly overpay someone to take the job.
And this new GM will overpay to keep Matthews, Marner and Nylander as well.
shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

May 25 @ 7:03 PM ET
What experienced GM would want to work for Shannyplan?
I'm sure the Leafs will greatly overpay someone to take the job.
And this new GM will overpay to keep Matthews, Marner and Nylander as well.

- islansjet

Aw, little jets fan.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: God Leafs Satan The Oneness, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

May 25 @ 7:08 PM ET
What experienced GM would want to work for Shannyplan?
I'm sure the Leafs will greatly overpay someone to take the job.
And this new GM will overpay to keep Matthews, Marner and Nylander as well.

- islansjet


I overpayed your mom 20 bucks.
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

May 25 @ 7:09 PM ET
Holy (frank). What can go wrong?

- .HOHO.

RIght?!

The best part of some of these posters dripped off the side of your hat.
underhill14
Location: I think I'll just sit back stage until somebody that matters calls me out.-King of HB Systemtool
Joined: 06.02.2010

May 25 @ 7:15 PM ET
If Gudas and Bennett were Maple Leafs, how many suspensions would they have been given during this playoff?
- PatC80

This false narrative is getting annoying. As though the Leafs can't go out and get tougher players cuz they'll get suspended.

It's the Buntings and Kadris that get suspended...guys who aren't the tough and gritty players but try to be because our line up lacks any of it at all.

Did Schenn get suspended or any of his great hits? McCabe? Nope.

The problem isn't that Leafs are tough and get penalized, the problem is the Leafs aren't tough so they get scrutinized when they try to be.

Refs are used to watching Schenn, Gudas, Bennett, Thachuk play their game so they don't get called...same with Chara.

When Bunting crosschecks a guy in the face area ONCE and only ever ONCE it's out of character and gets called.

When Chara crosschecks a guy 7 million times he MIGHT get called if he flattens a guy in front of his net once or twice a year. Huge difference.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 25 @ 7:23 PM ET
Jarnkrok Matthews Marner
Knies Tavares Nylander
Robertson Holmberg Lafferty
Steeves Abruzzese McMann

Rielly Brodie
Giordano Liljegren
McCabe Timmins

Woll
Murray

We are actually looking pretty good 👍

Maybe 2 forwards (Acciari, Kampf or ROR)
1 dman (Schenn)

Let it ride, fine tune at trade deadline

- mr.sir


Sorry, but that is (frank)ing ugly.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 25 @ 7:27 PM ET
Sort of. If they trade Marner it has to be before Matthews can sign. They still have the option to trade Willie since he can only block to 7 (I think) teams. Any trade better be a good one otherwise Matthews becomes more likely to walk.
- Canada Cup

It's entirely possible Matthews would like to see Nylander moved.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

May 25 @ 7:28 PM ET
This false narrative is getting annoying. As though the Leafs can't go out and get tougher players cuz they'll get suspended.

It's the Buntings and Kadris that get suspended...guys who aren't the tough and gritty players but try to be because our line up lacks any of it at all.

Did Schenn get suspended or any of his great hits? McCabe? Nope.

The problem isn't that Leafs are tough and get penalized, the problem is the Leafs aren't tough so they get scrutinized when they try to be.

Refs are used to watching Schenn, Gudas, Bennett, Thachuk play their game so they don't get called...same with Chara.

When Bunting crosschecks a guy in the face area ONCE and only ever ONCE it's out of character and gets called.

When Chara crosschecks a guy 7 million times he MIGHT get called if he flattens a guy in front of his net once or twice a year. Huge difference.

- underhill14


Agreed. The narrative is horsepoop.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

May 25 @ 7:38 PM ET
It specifically says "years". I don't know how he'd get less than he's currently making and his QO wouldn't be less either. It doesn't make sense that way.

Either way (cause I could be wrong) there IS a set rule for awarding the amount money in which you claimed there was none.

- Aaron_85



Qualifying offer is either a match of last years salary (if you earn less than a certain amount) or 85% if greater than that certain amount. The arbitrator doesn't base their award on the Q.O.

I didn't tell you there was "no rule" about arb awards. I was responding to you saying that your review of the rules said that Sammy would get a minimum of $3.5M from an arbitrator. I was just trying to help clarify for you. You got to that by adding up all the money Sammy has earned in his entire career and multiplying it by 85%. It's his last year's salary ...not his career.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

May 25 @ 7:49 PM ET
I overpayed your mom 20 bucks.
- Zezel

you weren't tipping your uber driver?
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

May 25 @ 7:50 PM ET
Sorry, but that is (frank)ing ugly.
- fifty__missions

That’s the current roster!
FFS
Monkeypunk
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Whenever, wherever, ON
Joined: 06.27.2013

May 25 @ 7:50 PM ET
Is Ed Belfour the new Wade Boggs?
- PatC80


Pfft. Wade Boggs was the new Ed Belfour. Don't you remember the drunken billion dollar bribe? That's the best.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

May 25 @ 7:51 PM ET
This false narrative is getting annoying. As though the Leafs can't go out and get tougher players cuz they'll get suspended.

It's the Buntings and Kadris that get suspended...guys who aren't the tough and gritty players but try to be because our line up lacks any of it at all.

Did Schenn get suspended or any of his great hits? McCabe? Nope.

The problem isn't that Leafs are tough and get penalized, the problem is the Leafs aren't tough so they get scrutinized when they try to be.

Refs are used to watching Schenn, Gudas, Bennett, Thachuk play their game so they don't get called...same with Chara.

When Bunting crosschecks a guy in the face area ONCE and only ever ONCE it's out of character and gets called.

When Chara crosschecks a guy 7 million times he MIGHT get called if he flattens a guy in front of his net once or twice a year. Huge difference.

- underhill14


a rap song in the making
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

May 25 @ 7:53 PM ET
Qualifying offer is either a match of last years salary (if you earn less than a certain amount) or 85% if greater than that certain amount. The arbitrator doesn't base their award on the Q.O.

I didn't tell you there was "no rule" about arb awards. I was responding to you saying that your review of the rules said that Sammy would get a minimum of $3.5M from an arbitrator. I was just trying to help clarify for you. You got to that by adding up all the money Sammy has earned in his entire career and multiplying it by 85%. It's his last year's salary ...not his career.

- The Law





Read your first sentence

As I said, I COULD be wrong on the award but it specifies "years" as in plural. I thought the same as you but why would deals be so high for other goalies if that's the case? Why did Georgiev get triple his salary when the team could have gone to the hearing and got awarded less if it was based off his 700k salary?
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Split rock, Nipigon River., ON
Joined: 07.24.2011

May 25 @ 7:55 PM ET
I love how everything I say in here immediately gets ridiculed (mostly from the 5 F’s, but others jump in) and every single day the boys on Overdrive say the exact same thing as I do LMAO.

Leafs fans are a very, very special breed.

Some are truly great fans and knowledgeable for sure. But reading some tweets lately about how amazing Dubas was etc etc. It’s been a week you psychopaths lol. Next it’ll be crying about the “best coach in the NHL - Sheldon Keefe” and how he has the best winning percentage. Then it’ll be Nylander stats about how he deserves 100 million a year and they never shoulda moved him..

I’m just a pint on the patio this summer. Do whatever you gotta do new GM, just don’t move Marner because they’ll miss the playoffs if they do.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

May 25 @ 7:56 PM ET
Qualifying offer is either a match of last years salary (if you earn less than a certain amount) or 85% if greater than that certain amount. The arbitrator doesn't base their award on the Q.O.

I didn't tell you there was "no rule" about arb awards. I was responding to you saying that your review of the rules said that Sammy would get a minimum of $3.5M from an arbitrator. I was just trying to help clarify for you. You got to that by adding up all the money Sammy has earned in his entire career and multiplying it by 85%. It's his last year's salary ...not his career.

- The Law



I think that when the Team elect to take the player to arbitration which the minimum amount they can get.
usually the team offer 10% of the player last year salary as you said.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Space for Rent
Joined: 08.30.2006

May 25 @ 7:57 PM ET
I love how everything I say in here immediately gets ridiculed (mostly from the 5 F’s, but others jump in) and every single day the boys on Overdrive say the exact same thing as I do LMAO.

Leafs fans are a very, very special breed.

Some are truly great fans and knowledgeable for sure. But reading some tweets lately about how amazing Dubas was etc etc. It’s been a week you psychopaths lol. Next it’ll be crying about the “best coach in the NHL - Sheldon Keefe” and how he has the best winning percentage. Then it’ll be Nylander stats about how he deserves 100 million a year and they never shoulda moved him..

I’m just a pint on the patio this summer. Do whatever you gotta do new GM, just don’t move Marner because they’ll miss the playoffs if they do.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


feel better now that you got that off your chest?
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