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TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 7 @ 10:30 AM ET
Paying for what he can become, not what he has done.
- Buff36


So what did they do with Dahlin? Why would their approach be different?
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Jun 7 @ 10:31 AM ET
So what did they do with Dahlin? Why would their approach be different?
- TheSabresTaco


Bridge the sucker.

3+8 is better than 8 straight to UFA
Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Jun 7 @ 10:33 AM ET
The Blues clearly had a dire need for a Center to be included in that deal 😂😅

To be serious, sure on the 1st and 3rd, but Carrier was a 2nd round pick.

The Sabres equivalent would be a player like Poltapov, not Krebs.

- kingcong39


Listening to Billeck, it sounds like he thinks they would really want Krebs because he played in Winnipeg in the WHL and he still has team control years.

If that's the piece they really want then it might lower the cost of the others. Maybe it's not a 1st round pick anymore.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 7 @ 10:33 AM ET
So what did they do with Dahlin? Why would their approach be different?
- TheSabresTaco


Thought their approach with Dahlin was going long term, but he and his agent wanted a bridge, unless I am misremembering.
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Jun 7 @ 10:35 AM ET
So what did they do with Dahlin? Why would their approach be different?
- TheSabresTaco


Covid, inflation, organizational direction.
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Jun 7 @ 10:38 AM ET
Thought their approach with Dahlin was going long term, but he and his agent wanted a bridge, unless I am misremembering.
- kingcong39


TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 7 @ 10:39 AM ET
I agree, the narrative will be to sign players early due to Tage...until the next Skinner comes along then it will change.
- washedup20


Cozens and Samuelsson are the only players to get a max deal (7 year ext) immediately out of their ELC. Cozens had two years of play and Samuelsson had less than one. However, Samuelsson, while the term was huge, the dollars are not. Also, Samuelsson is 23 and Power is 20. Matters when the player is coming up for UFA.

I know Power is good. But in order for the Sabres to hand out big dollars (7+ imo), they need more than 1 year of play, historically speaking.

Power is tough. There's an equal chance of a 5-6M bridge for 2-3 years, and a 7x7 ext. I think the Sabres prefer the bridge and then pay him more instead of allowing him to hit UFA at 27 to pay him now. But it's up to both parties, not just Buffalo.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 7 @ 10:42 AM ET
That 30% most likely moved the pick from 2nd to 1st round.
- washedup20


Per the Tim Graham interview with Danny, they needed a third team to take money. Flyers could have done it too, so I don't get it.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 7 @ 10:44 AM ET
Scott Billeck on WGR once again saying UPL, 1st and Krebs for Hellebuyck. Or Levi straight up
- Hank Balling


I know you love it, but I can all but promise you Kevo scoffs
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 7 @ 10:45 AM ET
I wonder if Babcock came with a list of players he wanted.
- washedup20


Mitch Marner probably
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Jun 7 @ 10:45 AM ET
Cozens and Samuelsson are the only players to get a max deal (7 year ext) immediately out of their ELC. Cozens had two years of play and Samuelsson had less than one. However, Samuelsson, while the term was huge, the dollars are not. Also, Samuelsson is 23 and Power is 20. Matters when the player is coming up for UFA.

I know Power is good. But in order for the Sabres to hand out big dollars (7+ imo), they need more than 1 year of play, historically speaking.

Power is tough. There's an equal chance of a 5-6M bridge for 2-3 years, and a 7x7 ext. I think the Sabres prefer the bridge and then pay him more instead of allowing him to hit UFA at 27 to pay him now. But it's up to both parties, not just Buffalo.

- TheSabresTaco


Well said, I think a 4 year bridge then an 8 year extension makes the most sense from an organizational standpoint, locks him in while maintaining RFA. By then the league cap questions should be cleared up and he can break the bank for 8 years. Thats a 16 year career with the 1st season not counting.

"The average NHL player plays on average 4.5 years. However, when looking at the data in detail the top 25% of players played an average of 12 years, whereas the bottom 75% played an average of 2 years. "
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 7 @ 10:45 AM ET
Do you think Mitch Marner would be on that list?
- buffalofan19


ooof got me
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 7 @ 10:47 AM ET
So what did they do with Dahlin? Why would their approach be different?
- TheSabresTaco

I don't think it should, but salaries have risen since Dahlin signed that bridge deal. It's the NHL Landscape more than me thinking he should get more than Dahlin did.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 7 @ 10:48 AM ET
Would any team even give up a 2023 1st round pick, a quality forward NHL prospect, and a young goaltender for Hellebuyck?

Even that seems like a lot.

- kingcong39


For Saros, yas.. don't think that's an appropriate trade for Buffalo, even though I spent a few weeks pounding the table for him.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 7 @ 10:49 AM ET
For Saros, yas.. don't think that's an appropriate trade for Buffalo, even though I spent a few weeks pounding the table for him.
- TheSabresTaco

I would call them
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 7 @ 10:49 AM ET
Cozens and Samuelsson are the only players to get a max deal (7 year ext) immediately out of their ELC. Cozens had two years of play and Samuelsson had less than one. However, Samuelsson, while the term was huge, the dollars are not. Also, Samuelsson is 23 and Power is 20. Matters when the player is coming up for UFA.

I know Power is good. But in order for the Sabres to hand out big dollars (7+ imo), they need more than 1 year of play, historically speaking.

Power is tough. There's an equal chance of a 5-6M bridge for 2-3 years, and a 7x7 ext. I think the Sabres prefer the bridge and then pay him more instead of allowing him to hit UFA at 27 to pay him now. But it's up to both parties, not just Buffalo.

- TheSabresTaco


Why would Power sign for a measly $7M AAV long term right now?

He'd be losing out on a LOT of money by signing that deal.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 7 @ 10:50 AM ET
I would call them
- Buff36


LA is already apparently a good chunk down the road of trading for Saros.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jun 7 @ 10:53 AM ET
Well said, I think a 4 year bridge then an 8 year extension makes the most sense from an organizational standpoint, locks him in while maintaining RFA. By then the league cap questions should be cleared up and he can break the bank for 8 years. Thats a 16 year career with the 1st season not counting.

"The average NHL player plays on average 4.5 years. However, when looking at the data in detail the top 25% of players played an average of 12 years, whereas the bottom 75% played an average of 2 years. "

- washedup20


A 16 year career, with the first season not counting?

Wouldn't it be 14 (2 years of his ELC, 4 year bridge, 8 year deal)?

I wouldn't do a 4 year bridge, as that would bring him to the brink of UFA status, as he'd be an ARB eligible RFA with only one year left of RFA status.

Scary stuff.
DirtyDan
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Why aren't more people interrigent? Rike Me? , ON
Joined: 02.03.2021

Jun 7 @ 10:53 AM ET
LA is already apparently a good chunk down the road of trading for Saros.
- kingcong39


We could easily out bid them, on second thot they do have some enticing prospects
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 7 @ 10:54 AM ET
Billeck brought up the St. Louis Miller trade which I think is an interesting comp due to their similar contract status

Ryan Miller and Steve Ott from the Buffalo Sabres for Jaroslav Halak, Chris Stewart, prospect William Carrier, a first-round draft pick in 2015 and a third-round pick in 2016.

Basically a 1st, prospect and 3rd when you whittle out the other pieces

- Hank Balling


brought this comp up numerous times. Schneider is a good one to bring in as well. Helly falls in between the two for age/contract status. I think he's closer to Miller. UPL, Nadeau, Buffalo 2.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Jun 7 @ 10:54 AM ET
LA is already apparently a good chunk down the road of trading for Saros.
- kingcong39


Thought I read "was"
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 7 @ 10:55 AM ET
LA is already apparently a good chunk down the road of trading for Saros.
- kingcong39

Saw that, I would see what's cooking.
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Jun 7 @ 10:56 AM ET
A 16 year career, with the first season not counting?

Wouldn't it be 14 (2 years of his ELC, 4 year bridge, 8 year deal)?

I wouldn't do a 4 year bridge, as that would bring him to the brink of UFA status, as he'd be an ARB eligible RFA with only one year left of RFA status.

Scary stuff.

- kingcong39


you're math is right, when was the last time the Sabres had a player last that long in the organization?
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 7 @ 10:56 AM ET
A 16 year career, with the first season not counting?

Wouldn't it be 14 (2 years of his ELC, 4 year bridge, 8 year deal)?

I wouldn't do a 4 year bridge, as that would bring him to the brink of UFA status, as he'd be an ARB eligible RFA with only one year left of RFA status.

Scary stuff.

- kingcong39

Yep
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 7 @ 10:57 AM ET
brought this comp up numerous times. Schneider is a good one to bring in as well. Helly falls in between the two for age/contract status. I think he's closer to Miller. UPL, Nadeau, Buffalo 2.
- TheSabresTaco

Blasphemy!! I shall not see Nadeau in any trade
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