The truth to this debate is after Nashville, Bowman panicked and signaled the end when he dealt Panarin to Columbus to reacquire Saad and dump an aging Hammer to acquire whatever anyone wants to call Connor Murphy. Sure as hell is not a top tier D man.

What's rich about that, is that he was able to identify that Hammer was a worn down, aging D man, but not able to do the same with Seabrook....and yes many on this board, myself included, would have questioned dumping Seabrook...but I am just a fan. Not paid to manage assets of a NHL team. The other variable here is that the Hawks DAMN WELL KNEW the Hossa allergic "Issue" and still let a pure skill player walk.

Throw in Bowman's god awful ability to backfill his asset pool and this team was walking the plank for years.
- SteveRain

Rain, tell us what you really think about Murphy....


Bowmans string of errors and poor decisions will be discussed forever. Looking at his track record, its questionable if he identified Hammer as at the end of his usefulness or just got lucky. In addition, as you say, he didn't necessarily get a haul for him. His track record on acquired D-men leaves much to be desired. McCabe, Murphy, dehaan, Timonnen, Zadorov, etc. have all been various levels of bad, and that doesn't even include the gift that will keep on giving in S. Jones. Balance that with guys like Forsling and Rutta who were dumped and now play major minutes on successful teams.

But you aren't talking about the Hawks when you snipe about the other "stupid" GM's in the league who have to manage the cap each year, or who trade for a Kevin Fiala to significantly improve their team, because they could supposedly fill with one of their prospects.

You call Vancouver aimless, although 3 time cup winner Rutherford has only been there 18 months (not much longer than Davidson) because they have percieved cap problems. Do you also know they are the 5th youngest team in the league? I bet they trade Garland or Myers without having to give up a first round pick. There are a few playoff and bubble teams that have cap space (Nashville, Detroit, Buffalo that would probably take a Garland for free (future considerations).
- LAHawk

I really don't care LA, so the Canucks and LA are doing it the right way? Gotcha

And they won't have to give up anything to trade those players, if you say so, the going rate is a 2nd anyways to dump salary so you're probably right there.

If i didn't know any better you seem really upset that the Blackhawks are rebuilding this way and fans like me are supporting it.

I agree....A lot of chatter of how Vancouver is going to have sell off 11 OA to "dump" 1 of these guys.....I don't buy it either.
- SteveRain

Teams have learned "somebody" goes on LTIR before they panic and dump a player to get compliant. At least until playoff time, then there's a miraculous recovery.

Only 5th year in the league. The Hawks will be lucky to be a bubble team in 5 years.

Hawks haven't made the playoffs since Vegas has been in the league (bubble year does not count)
- LAHawk

I'm looking forward to the arguments about "who built the team" when the Hawks are competitive again. Will SB get all the credit for drafting/signing the likes of Reichel, Commesso, Soderblom, Vlasic, Dach, Del Mastro and Allan.

I think this is the way to go, in BBQ parlance … low and slow. Draft, develop, ensure players are kept at the lower stages, junior, college, AHL until ready to move to the next level. Some can make one big jump to the NHL, most cannot. Don’t pull another Dach. Don’t give up on players too soon, but don’t be afraid to bite the bullet and move them if they’re not progressing. Always keep an eye open on potential trades, other team’s cap issues and unsigned draftees. Once a nucleus is in place begin looking at free agents. Then try to get everyone to sign hometown deals so there is cap space for depth. Unfortunately hometown deals will probably need to be encouraged with no trades clauses.
- paulr

Culture and winning will likely be the deciding factor for guys to take team friendly deals (aav) and/or term. I have no issue giving your core NTC early in the deal, but later on that list can max out at 10.....and by core I think that number is 3.....Bedard, and a D man, and the next most important player on this team at any position. That's it. Expanding your core puts you in cap hell and isn't a LT sustainable way to win.

Either as a fan you are on board for a rebuild or you arent. If you are, it's way early and the demanding of going to win now makes ZERO sense. I get it sucks watching and hoping with no guarantees picks will pan out....but that's where today's sports world is..outside of the NFL.

I can't wait to see how the Leafs F UP their team this summer. Either they stand pat and enjoy their stay in insanity world OR they will deal the wrong guy of the 4 and bottom out like a rocket in a year or two. Either way...I am here for it...........

I really don't care LA, so the Canucks and LA are doing it the right way? Gotcha

And they won't have to give up anything to trade those players, if you say so, the going rate is a 2nd anyways to dump salary so you're probably right there.

If i didn't know any better you seem really upset that the Blackhawks are rebuilding this way and fans like me are supporting it.
- BetweenTheDots

Maybe they are, maybe they are not, but you dismiss them as bumbling idiots because they do not comply with your program on how to run a franchise.

I am fine with what KD did. he got lucky that the lotto balls went the Hawks way. He proved he can tear down a team with the best of them. He now has time to prove he can build one. There is more than one way to build a winner, that seems to be lost upon a few here on the BOD.

Rain, tell us what you really think about Murphy....


Bowmans string of errors and poor decisions will be discussed forever. Looking at his track record, its questionable if he identified Hammer as at the end of his usefulness or just got lucky. In addition, as you say, he didn't necessarily get a haul for him. His track record on acquired D-men leaves much to be desired. McCabe, Murphy, dehaan, Timonnen, Zadorov, etc. have all been various levels of bad, and that doesn't even include the gift that will keep on giving in S. Jones. Balance that with guys like Forsling and Rutta who were dumped and now play major minutes on successful teams.
- TheTrob

guessing all of us have played a sport and/or worked with a person like Murphy. A person who just talks a HUGE game on how the team should do this or that, and then routinely goes out there and does the exact opposite every single time and hurts the team more than he or she helps it. That's Murphy. Guy has 1 playoff appearance in his entire career in a carnival world bubble......and yes, you could argue look at the crap teams he has been on, but if you flip and ask his most astute defenders WHAT DOES HE DO TO HELP THEM GET BETTER......well.........therein lies the rub.

I am guessing Q lands with the NYR and Scotty is calling/texting Mario daily asking for Stanley to be considered for the Pens GM job or as some advisor. Same way he leveraged his son's promotion with McDonough years ago. Good for Stanley. Had a few wins...but after being so far away from him now.....easy to see how many bad calls he made later on. Jeremy Colliton is by far the worse.

Teams have learned "somebody" goes on LTIR before they panic and dump a player to get compliant. At least until playoff time, then there's a miraculous recovery.
- rpeters01

Agreed and while a cap levels a playing field...the internal budgets league wide vary and it's usually the big swinging johnsons who exploit this loop hole.

Thank god their is a definitive number of spots on LTIR and IR or else the Leafs would stack a 22 man roster there..........

Culture and winning will likely be the deciding factor for guys to take team friendly deals (aav) and/or term. I have no issue giving your core NTC early in the deal, but later on that list can max out at 10.....and by core I think that number is 3.....Bedard, and a D man, and the next most important player on this team at any position. That's it. Expanding your core puts you in cap hell and isn't a LT sustainable way to win.

Either as a fan you are on board for a rebuild or you arent. If you are, it's way early and the demanding of going to win now makes ZERO sense. I get it sucks watching and hoping with no guarantees picks will pan out....but that's where today's sports world is..outside of the NFL.

I can't wait to see how the Leafs F UP their team this summer. Either they stand pat and enjoy their stay in insanity world OR they will deal the wrong guy of the 4 and bottom out like a rocket in a year or two. Either way...I am here for it...........
- SteveRain

If Matthews doesn’t sign they have to move him. If he signs, they have to move one of Nylander or Marner because of Matthew’s cap hit. And they still don’t have a great defenseman. But before that they need a GM, sounds like Treliving may be the guy, the same one who (frank)ed up the Flames. Then a new coach may be in order.
What a mess.

While winning now shouldn’t be a priority, making sure Bedard isn’t playing on a complete dog of a team should be a priority. As I posted earlier any trades or player signings should be coordinated year three when Bedard’s ELC is over. Hopefully some of the prospects will be ready, in place part of the team’s nucleus.

I'm looking forward to the arguments about "who built the team" when the Hawks are competitive again. Will SB get all the credit for drafting/signing the likes of Reichel, Commesso, Soderblom, Vlasic, Dach, Del Mastro and Allan.
- DarthKane

I don't recall many defending Mike Smith or Bob Pulford pre Tallon days on here. Very few, if any......

He should get credit if any of those are here, and play a vital role in the next championship window.

In the end, I think Bowman had lots of help getting to the GM job and waiting for Uncle Dale to F up (which is on Uncle Dale for not realizing WHO McDonough really IS), did very well pivoting after 2010, made some ballsy trades that worked and didn't work to go for multiple titles, extended too many off of loyalty on past performance, and ultimately like Krause had a tug of war with power and fame with Q and slapped him hard that June day when dealt Panarin and Hammer.

I also think like Q, as far as Beach goes, they could have done more, but the onus should have fallen on upper management a lot harder (including Rockwell Wirtz) than these 2......they will always be married together and both should have their names on banners in the UC regardless of what clowns on the score who live in their moral glass houses want to say.

If Matthews doesn’t sign they have to move him. If he signs, they have to move one of Nylander or Marner because of Matthew’s cap hit. And they still don’t have a great defenseman. But before that they need a GM, sounds like Treliving may be the guy, the same one who (frank)ed up the Flames. Then a new coach may be in order.
What a mess.

While winning now shouldn’t be a priority, making sure Bedard isn’t playing on a complete dog of a team should be a priority. As I posted earlier any trades or player signings should be coordinated year three when Bedard’s ELC is over. Hopefully some of the prospects will be ready, in place part of the team’s nucleus.
- paulr

100% agreed on all the above.

I think Nylander is the odd man out. Who is trading for Tavares at 11 AAV and that's assuming he waives his NMC...which he wont'........what a dumpster fire. Truly remarkable.

No goalie still

Should we start a pool on what aging D man on fumes they'll sign this summer? While LeBrun throws a parade about it from his cottage?

100% agreed on all the above.

I think Nylander is the odd man out. Who is trading for Tavares at 11 AAV and that's assuming he waives his NMC...which he wont'........what a dumpster fire. Truly remarkable.

No goalie still

Should we start a pool on what aging D man on fumes they'll sign this summer? While LeBrun throws a parade about it from his cottage?
- SteveRain

I’d be OK with the Hawks trading for Tavares as a mentor for Bedard, his contract would be over in two years and he’d have to come over at a steep price, say Knies, plus a future first. Tavares is slow, he’s on the downside of his career but he works hard, he does whatever he can for the success of the team, he does the small things well and I’m guessing he’s an upstanding guy off ice. But as you say it’s very unlikely he’d agree to a trade, even to leave the insane asylum of the Leafs.

I’d be OK with the Hawks trading for Tavares as a mentor for Bedard, his contract would be over in two years and he’d have to come over at a steep price, say Knies, plus a future first. Tavares is slow, he’s on the downside of his career but he works hard, he does whatever he can for the success of the team, he does the small things well and I’m guessing he’s an upstanding guy off ice. But as you say it’s very unlikely he’d agree to a trade, even to leave the insane asylum of the Leafs.
- paulr

Agree on all points here especially the last part. He wants the Cup, a trade here guarantees he has no chance to win it all.

I’d be OK with the Hawks trading for Tavares as a mentor for Bedard, his contract would be over in two years and he’d have to come over at a steep price, say Knies, plus a future first. Tavares is slow, he’s on the downside of his career but he works hard, he does whatever he can for the success of the team, he does the small things well and I’m guessing he’s an upstanding guy off ice. But as you say it’s very unlikely he’d agree to a trade, even to leave the insane asylum of the Leafs.
- paulr

Oh, Id take him a heartbeat, was saying a cup contender can't take that on right now.

They desperately need to make a hockey trade and deal a Nylander, Marner or Matthews for a team that can afford to deal a top 4 or top pairing d man back. Not sure if that marriage exists, but if I were a Leafs fan that's what I would be hoping for...Otherwise they can run through the regular season but come playoff time they dont' have the horses on the back end to win series.

Oh, Id take him a heartbeat, was saying a cup contender can't take that on right now.

They desperately need to make a hockey trade and deal a Nylander, Marner or Matthews for a team that can afford to deal a top 4 or top pairing d man back. Not sure if that marriage exists, but if I were a Leafs fan that's what I would be hoping for...Otherwise they can run through the regular season but come playoff time they dont' have the horses on the back end to win series.
- SteveRain

The Avs have a hole to fill and cap space with Landeskog out and a stable good D-Men in Makar, Toews, Girard and Byram. Girard's name has been coming up in trade rumors. Would be a mighty entertaining trade if it occurs between two contenders.

Ian Kennedy
@IanKennedyCK
Fascinating rule changes in Europe's Champions Hockey League.

🏒 Goal doesn't end a minor penalty (like majors)

🏒 You serve a minor penalty even if a goal is scored while a delayed penalty is pending

🏒 Score shorthanded, your penalty is over

Aside from ribbing friends from other teams, this is a really weak argument. Hockey is often cited as being more affected by luck than any other team sport depending on how luck is defined (this has actually been studied). All fans can realistically hope for is that their team can be built to be continually competitive, and that the GM can find a few stunner talents to help put them over the top.
- Chunk

I have been around since there was a six team NHL which consisted of three well stocked teams who dominated the 50's.
Playoffss were that reward for one of the lesser lights form Boston New York or Chicago would get...a shot to be perfect in four games and win two series and be champs.
That 1961-62 Blackhawk win was achieved through two upset series.
The exception to the rule.

Someone in the NHL braintrust made a smart new additions in Las Vegas and Seattle;the owners and hockey staffs have made in-roads to new fan bases.

You know something? The first time I saw that pre-game hubbub in Las Vegas I chuckled and thought only in Vegas, but their Medieval times meets futuristic lights and ramp up works!

And although Seattle has a bit farther to go to grab more new hockey lovers, bot teams have done much to add interest to the game.
I cannot leave out the Panthers' were just a couple of three seasons ago I could drive down to Sunrise / Lauderdale and get seats, concessions in a half empty arena where their true fans had to put up with the visiting teams fans being louder than theirs.

If it wasn't for the true parity in the NHL, these teams and so many of the teams that didn't squeak into the final of 16 playoff spots wouldn't be continuing to spend $ for assets that can get their fans there too.

All the different hypes, and the basic jump in the skills of all the younger players has taken us into a nice time, where the winning can be spread around.

I wasn't rooting for any of these final four to be in the final four.

That is why this post season is the second in a row that has captured my interest to watch all the games.

Ian Kennedy
@IanKennedyCK
Fascinating rule changes in Europe's Champions Hockey League.

🏒 Goal doesn't end a minor penalty (like majors)

🏒 You serve a minor penalty even if a goal is scored while a delayed penalty is pending

🏒 Score shorthanded, your penalty is over
- LAHawk

Welcome to World War II NHL rules that remedied the fact that so many of the real NHL players were fighting a World war.
I guess the depth of the Champions league is not full of Champions.


I don't know why you get a reward of ending a penalty if you score short handed...insult to injury.

Ian Kennedy
@IanKennedyCK
Fascinating rule changes in Europe's Champions Hockey League.

🏒 Goal doesn't end a minor penalty (like majors)

🏒 You serve a minor penalty even if a goal is scored while a delayed penalty is pending

🏒 Score shorthanded, your penalty is over
- LAHawk

Love those

Welcome to World War II NHL rules that remedied the fact that so many of the real NHL players were fighting a World war.
UI guess the depth of the Champions league is not full of Champions.


I don't know why you get a reward of ending a penalty if you score short handed...insult to injury.
- wiz1901

Weren't the current rules put in place in the 50's to stop the Rocket from scoring 3 times on a minor penalty?

I'm looking forward to the arguments about "who built the team" when the Hawks are competitive again. Will SB get all the credit for drafting/signing the likes of Reichel, Commesso, Soderblom, Vlasic, Dach, Del Mastro and Allan.
- DarthKane

TAKE IT EASY, pump those brakes! We haven't beat anybody in 2023-24 yet.

It will be a shared praise, like all the Tallon love, after he was a drafting big tough physical winger Kyle Beach, the year that draft was loaded with defenseman gems

Weren't the current rules put in place in the 50's to stop the Rocket from scoring 3 times on a minor penalty?
- LAHawk

...or a game lost on one major penalty where the power play scores 3 or 5 times.

Chicagos' LW Bep Guidolin or D Gus Mortson gets a major against the Habs and the run the score up on the hapless hawks and you don't sell beer if the people are walking out at the second intermission.

Maybe they are, maybe they are not, but you dismiss them as bumbling idiots because they do not comply with your program on how to run a franchise.

I am fine with what KD did. he got lucky that the lotto balls went the Hawks way. He proved he can tear down a team with the best of them. He now has time to prove he can build one. There is more than one way to build a winner, that seems to be lost upon a few here on the BOD.
- LAHawk

Yep you can build a winner by being a franchise expansion team. That's one way but can they win the cup, stay tuned

But correct me if I'm wrong, Panthers, Bolts, Caps, Kings twice, Blackhawks twice, NJ, Blues, Avs all were bad before they were good? They all had to draft in the top half for years. Penguins have 2 super star centers on their team and were able to make the playoffs but it wasn't until draft picks, good FA signings and the trade for Kessel put them over the top for the last 2 cups.

I just think NJ and LA went for it too early, but then watching Carolina, how many playoffs exits happen to a team before it becomes mentally scarred.

If i were gm of both those clubs i wouldn't of made those trades and signings, if i was Carolina i would of.

I'm curious once the Bolts are a shell of themselves how long that rebuild will take?

I don't think a general manager is an idiot because i disagree with a move they make. Its as simple as i think he hurt his team by making the move.

100% agreed on all the above.

I think Nylander is the odd man out. Who is trading for Tavares at 11 AAV and that's assuming he waives his NMC...which he wont'........what a dumpster fire. Truly remarkable.

No goalie still

Should we start a pool on what aging D man on fumes they'll sign this summer? While LeBrun throws a parade about it from his cottage?
- SteveRain

Michal Roszival is available.

You need all these qualifications to put a few more people in the seats? I thought drafting Bedard was all you needed.


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