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kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

May 18 @ 9:14 AM ET
Flagged this by accident

I mean if he wants $10M+ per year...that's a real tough ask. I don't really know where my comfort zone lies with him.

History kinda shows that paying a goaltender major money like that rarely works out. Tampa did it but they a) have the benefit of no state tax and b) used the (frank) out of the LTIR loophole. And they also had some elite offensive and defensive talent that they were able to sign to, for the most part, below-market deals

- eichiefs9


I think it’s interesting to note the teams that over spent for star power are finding themselves too top heavy. What’s winning in todays NHL is team structure. Sure Matthew’s et al sell jerseys but if we’re being honest, if they really wanted to win, they’d take a little less to spread it around to win. With the cap where it is, taking 10-13 million hurts the team overall and their ability to bring in other needs.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

May 18 @ 10:22 AM ET
I think it’s interesting to note the teams that over spent for star power are finding themselves too top heavy. What’s winning in todays NHL is team structure. Sure Matthew’s et al sell jerseys but if we’re being honest, if they really wanted to win, they’d take a little less to spread it around to win. With the cap where it is, taking 10-13 million hurts the team overall and their ability to bring in other needs.
- kindlyrick


JT was a shiny toy but he was not needed with the Leafs especially in a hard Cap world.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Magical Lou, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

May 18 @ 1:39 PM ET
I think it’s interesting to note the teams that over spent for star power are finding themselves too top heavy. What’s winning in todays NHL is team structure. Sure Matthew’s et al sell jerseys but if we’re being honest, if they really wanted to win, they’d take a little less to spread it around to win. With the cap where it is, taking 10-13 million hurts the team overall and their ability to bring in other needs.
- kindlyrick


100% agree!
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

May 18 @ 2:53 PM ET
JT was a shiny toy but he was not needed with the Leafs especially in a hard Cap world.
- ses111


Their need was defense and a top tier goalie. After already procuring a roster with talents up front like Matthew’s, Marner and Nylander, they then bring in Tavares, and give him the C. Head scratcher as they then brought in a true captain in O’Reilly and are now over done up front. Seems like the teams that spend like that are always relying too heavily on those specific players. You need the right team….not just overpaid star power.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

May 18 @ 4:39 PM ET
Their need was defense and a top tier goalie. After already procuring a roster with talents up front like Matthew’s, Marner and Nylander, they then bring in Tavares, and give him the C. Head scratcher as they then brought in a true captain in O’Reilly and are now over done up front. Seems like the teams that spend like that are always relying too heavily on those specific players. You need the right team….not just overpaid star power.
- kindlyrick


Islanders need more speed and skill, but they need balance and being top heavy like the Leafs is not the answer.
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: REJECTED REFEREE
Joined: 07.12.2007

May 18 @ 8:59 PM ET
The Canes players have really figured out that if there's anything marginal, you flop like a fish. The refs are calling tight games these playoffs and they've taken advantage of it.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Magical Lou, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

May 18 @ 9:42 PM ET
The Canes players have really figured out that if there's anything marginal, you flop like a fish. The refs are calling tight games these playoffs and they've taken advantage of it.
- keaner17



Your Cats picked their game up a notch in the second.
Didn’t like either cross check penalty called on either team.
Nfdbulldawg
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

May 18 @ 9:48 PM ET
Your Cats picked their game up a notch in the second.
Didn’t like either cross check penalty called on either team.

- nyisles7


The physical Cats will wear done the Canes as long as they can stay out of the box.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Magical Lou, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

May 18 @ 9:53 PM ET
The physical Cats will wear done the Canes as long as they can stay out of the box.
- Nfdbulldawg


Looks like it dawg
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Magical Lou, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

May 18 @ 10:10 PM ET
Canes tie it on the PP. what a great goal.

Edit: Canes dominated the third.
potvin05
New York Islanders
Location: Snow's World (I just live in it), NY
Joined: 06.21.2008

May 18 @ 11:31 PM ET
Really think Florida got (frank)ed in this game. Hopefully, the puck don’t lie.
kindlyrick
New York Islanders
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 06.21.2007

May 19 @ 12:31 PM ET
Dubas out. Wow
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: REJECTED REFEREE
Joined: 07.12.2007

May 19 @ 1:16 PM ET
I made the mistake of staying up for the entire game. Then woke up at 5:15am. I'm not sure if any of this is real right now
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

May 19 @ 1:32 PM ET
Dubas out. Wow
- kindlyrick


I figured finally winning a round would buy him more time.
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: REJECTED REFEREE
Joined: 07.12.2007

May 19 @ 1:32 PM ET
Your Cats picked their game up a notch in the second.
Didn’t like either cross check penalty called on either team.

- nyisles7

I honestly would say its even money on this series. I felt that the Panthers were bound to shock folks these playoffs because I thought they massively underachieved in the regular season. To me, the Canes are the 2021 Islanders. Brilliantly composed and disciplined, but Florida has so much sandpaper to their game. Should be a great series.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

May 19 @ 2:19 PM ET
I honestly would say its even money on this series. I felt that the Panthers were bound to shock folks these playoffs because I thought they massively underachieved in the regular season. To me, the Canes are the 2021 Islanders. Brilliantly composed and disciplined, but Florida has so much sandpaper to their game. Should be a great series.
- keaner17


Agreed. The Isles had grit but maybe not enough skill; the Devils had the skill but maybe not enough grit. Florida has a pretty good mix of both so it's definitely a tough test for Carolina. But, as we saw with the Isles' runs under Trotz, a solid system executed to near perfection is really tough to beat, so, yeah, even money sounds about right.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

May 19 @ 2:31 PM ET
Dubas out. Wow
- kindlyrick


It'll be interesting to see where he lands (I know he said he wants to take time off, but...yeah, we'll see) and how he does. I feel like he was neither as brilliant as his biggest fans insisted nor as incompetent as his biggest detractors accused him of being. So, I wonder what he'd do (or fail to do) with a fresh start somewhere outside the Toronto circus.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Magical Lou, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

May 19 @ 3:46 PM ET
I honestly would say its even money on this series. I felt that the Panthers were bound to shock folks these playoffs because I thought they massively underachieved in the regular season. To me, the Canes are the 2021 Islanders. Brilliantly composed and disciplined, but Florida has so much sandpaper to their game. Should be a great series.
- keaner17


Agree.
You definitely said that about the Cats. That’s why I call them Keaner’s Cats.
Definitely will be a grind. Gretzky said that Fl was missing DuClaire during the year and gelled at the right time as a team.
I watched the whole game last night as well.
I wanted to go to sleep but couldn’t.
Gotta live PO hockey.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Magical Lou, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

May 19 @ 3:49 PM ET
Agreed. The Isles had grit but maybe not enough skill; the Devils had the skill but maybe not enough grit. Florida has a pretty good mix of both so it's definitely a tough test for Carolina. But, as we saw with the Isles' runs under Trotz, a solid system executed to near perfection is really tough to beat, so, yeah, even money sounds about right.
- UIF


Rod has them dialed in and buying into the system. That’s what wins typically.
Unfortunately for the Isles Tampa learned it as well
JimmyP
New York Islanders
Location: Snow has melted!
Joined: 02.12.2011

May 19 @ 3:49 PM ET
It'll be interesting to see where he lands (I know he said he wants to take time off, but...yeah, we'll see) and how he does. I feel like he was neither as brilliant as his biggest fans insisted nor as incompetent as his biggest detractors accused him of being. So, I wonder what he'd do (or fail to do) with a fresh start somewhere outside the Toronto circus.
- UIF


Isn't that always the case.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Magical Lou, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

May 19 @ 4:05 PM ET
It'll be interesting to see where he lands (I know he said he wants to take time off, but...yeah, we'll see) and how he does. I feel like he was neither as brilliant as his biggest fans insisted nor as incompetent as his biggest detractors accused him of being. So, I wonder what he'd do (or fail to do) with a fresh start somewhere outside the Toronto circus.
- UIF


Does Toronto realize Snow is available?
He would be a great Ringmaster of that 3 ring circus!
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

May 19 @ 4:08 PM ET
Does Toronto realize Snow is available?
He would be a great Ringmaster if that 3 ring circus!

- nyisles7


I'd love to see Snow try and pull his disappearing act for months on end in Toronto when things start going south.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

May 19 @ 4:09 PM ET
Isn't that always the case.
- JimmyP


I don't know...you take Mike Milbury and I'm not sure his biggest detractors were harsh enough!
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

May 19 @ 4:26 PM ET
I'd love to see Snow try and pull his disappearing act for months on end in Toronto when things start going south.
- UIF

Then show up out of no where for a press conference dressed like he’s doing his best Bill Murray from Caddyshack impersonation.
JimmyP
New York Islanders
Location: Snow has melted!
Joined: 02.12.2011

May 19 @ 4:31 PM ET
I don't know...you take Mike Milbury and I'm not sure his biggest detractors were harsh enough!
- UIF


Fair point!
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