To Arizona Coyotes
Alex DeBrincat, Tyler Boucher, Mathieu Joseph, Anton Forsberg

To Ottawa Senators
Troy Terry, John Gibson

Would you do it or not? (can swap Boucher for a 2nd or another prospect)

To Arizona Coyotes
Alex DeBrincat, Tyler Boucher, Mathieu Joseph, Anton Forsberg

To Ottawa Senators
Troy Terry, John Gibson

Would you do it or not? (can swap Boucher for a 2nd or another prospect)
- AlfieisKing

I would. Anaheim wouldn't.

I would. Anaheim wouldn't.
- SensFan25

Maybe. I think Debrincat gets a 1st and 3rd back at the trade deadline if he is sitting around 25 goals at that point. Might get more for him then.

You can't trade Forsberg with signing another goalie to a one year deal.

And I don't think anyone takes that Mathieu Joseph contract. Not at that money for essentially a fourth line guy.

In other news, Waddell from CAR all but said he will be looking for a goalie. Says he loves his two guys BUT....

So sens have to compete with BUFF and CAR for Helly. Don't think it happens.

Really curious to see what FLA does with Knight. And LA with Petersen and Korpo.

I think the Carter Hart considerations have cooled since Philly "clarified" their previous statements that everyone is available. He is not a player I would overpay for...

Maybe. I think Debrincat gets a 1st and 3rd back at the trade deadline if he is sitting around 25 goals at that point. Might get more for him then.

You can't trade Forsberg with signing another goalie to a one year deal.

And I don't think anyone takes that Mathieu Joseph contract. Not at that money for essentially a fourth line guy.

In other news, Waddell from CAR all but said he will be looking for a goalie. Says he loves his two guys BUT....

So sens have to compete with BUFF and CAR for Helly. Don't think it happens.

Really curious to see what FLA does with Knight. And LA with Petersen and Korpo.

I think the Carter Hart considerations have cooled since Philly "clarified" their previous statements that everyone is available. He is not a player I would overpay for...
- GrimmdaGoalie

Hellebuyck is awesome but if he truly wants out of small market Canada Winnipeg when he hits UFA, can't imagine he'd feel differently about Ottawa. Perhaps new ownership will create more allure, but who knows. Same thing goes for trade proposals sending Debrincat Winnipeg's way - what's the rationale there when both are potentially a year removed from UFA and controlling their preferred destination? Winnipeg needs to scope contracts with term and no trade protection.

Pierre Dorion was on the locked on Sens podcast. It looks like DeBrincat decision should come within next 2 weeks. My guess is he will be traded around Draft day or July 1.

Also, he had 7 different conversations with ownership. Says new owners will have a lot of $$ for the team - also a decision seems to be done and will be announced within the next 2 weeks or so

Maybe. I think Debrincat gets a 1st and 3rd back at the trade deadline if he is sitting around 25 goals at that point. Might get more for him then.

You can't trade Forsberg with signing another goalie to a one year deal.

And I don't think anyone takes that Mathieu Joseph contract. Not at that money for essentially a fourth line guy.

In other news, Waddell from CAR all but said he will be looking for a goalie. Says he loves his two guys BUT....

So sens have to compete with BUFF and CAR for Helly. Don't think it happens.

Really curious to see what FLA does with Knight. And LA with Petersen and Korpo.

I think the Carter Hart considerations have cooled since Philly "clarified" their previous statements that everyone is available. He is not a player I would overpay for...
- GrimmdaGoalie

If we assume the Sens top 5 are: Tkachuk, Stutzle, Giroux, Norris and Batherson. And, if the Sens can't find the right deal with DeBrincat. How do you flip the DeBrincat assets?

My first choice remains the size and grit of Dubois. Clayton Keller could be a brilliant fit.

Stanley Cup winners have a strong veteran presence and Ryan O'Rielly (UFA) might be a really strong addition.

League officials have advised it will take another 60 to 90 days to close the Sens ownership deal after we are told which preferred bid has been conditionally selected.

Pretty much assures another full year, if not multiple years, of Dorion and Smith.

Would hope new owners appoint their own head of hockey operations to shadow and consult on significant moves during the transition period.

Overall, this has been a brilliantly managed process.

Ottawa fans have been amazing in terms of their patience and overall support of wanting the process to be done the right way.

League officials have advised it will take another 60 to 90 days to close the Sens ownership deal after we are told which preferred bid has been conditionally selected.
- spatso

Yuck. The dumb thing about that is they (the media) always knew there'd be a closing period, but really haven't made much effort to make that publicly known. It certainly means Debrincat gets his QO in the interim, so we can all ice 9M in cap space from our projections.

Yuck. The dumb thing about that is they (the media) always knew there'd be a closing period, but really haven't made much effort to make that publicly known. It certainly means Debrincat gets his QO in the interim, so we can all ice 9M in cap space from our projections.
- Bartacus

I think DeBrincat gets moved draft week. I don't think the Sens are afraid of that option in any way. The have both young assets and cap space and that makes them one of the few teams able to participate on a wide range of trade options. I think the Sens are solid on D. They should be able to find a 28+ goal scorer and add solid 3rd line defensive asset (we still don't have any clarity on Formenton). I would be happy to see them bring back Tyler Motte.

I actually hope they do not do too much this summer. And, I especially have no confidence in Dorion to do a deal for a goaltender. Maybe we go with Forsburg and DJ can where goalie pads behind the bench in the case of an emergency.

As defense was priority #1 last summer/season, goaltending should be priority this summer. Folks can like Forsberg all they want as a 1A guy but coming off two very serious knee injuries, I question his career longevity at this point. Mads Soogard would need to make a significant jump to have any sniff of a 1A possibility. He was ok last year but was still sub .900 in his SV%.

There are reasonable targets out there via trade Swayman, Hellbyuck, Hart, and Vejmelka to name a few. While the UFA market for goalies is a little unflattering, you can dig around there too.

That said, sometimes you just need a hot guy. We’ve seen what Adin Hill has done for Vegas and the Panthers needed Alex Lyon to play on his head just to get into the playoffs. It’s probably the most difficult position to figure out, both cap wise and personnel wise but it is the most important position on the team.

I personally would like to move Forsberg and use that cash towards a legitimate guy and have a backup playing close to league minimum. I just have zero faith in Dorion to judge goaltending.

As defense was priority #1 last summer/season, goaltending should be priority this summer. Folks can like Forsberg all they want as a 1A guy but coming off two very serious knee injuries, I question his career longevity at this point. Mads Soogard would need to make a significant jump to have any sniff of a 1A possibility. He was ok last year but was still sub .900 in his SV%.

There are reasonable targets out there via trade Swayman, Hellbyuck, Hart, and Vejmelka to name a few. While the UFA market for goalies is a little unflattering, you can dig around there too.

That said, sometimes you just need a hot guy. We’ve seen what Adin Hill has done for Vegas and the Panthers needed Alex Lyon to play on his head just to get into the playoffs. It’s probably the most difficult position to figure out, both cap wise and personnel wise but it is the most important position on the team.

I personally would like to move Forsberg and use that cash towards a legitimate guy and have a backup playing close to league minimum. I just have zero faith in Dorion to judge goaltending.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Agreed.
I'd still personally want to see the new owner's people calling all the shots on major personnel moves. The only exception would be moving Debrincat if he clearly states that he doesn't want to be here.

Agreed.
I'd still personally want to see the new owner's people calling all the shots on major personnel moves. The only exception would be moving Debrincat if he clearly states that he doesn't want to be here.
- SensFan25

The ownership stuff has been frustrating. I have no idea why it’s taken this long. It also seems other teams’ sales in recent years are far less dramatic. Maybe that’s because the of celebrity connections to date but even so.

I too would like to see ownership in place before addressing holes in the lineup, but at the end of the day, the 2023/2024 season is rapidly approaching. This team cannot afford to miss the playoffs again. The roster is more or less is what it is, and you need to address the holes to have any hope on a playoff berth.

I just have zero faith in Dorion to judge goaltending.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Or DJ to coach.

Wondering if somehow PD is angling for the Hockey Ops position to keep a job and let new owners choose new GM or coach.

And whomever ends up being new owner will have a say in personal decisions in that 60 to 90 day period.....

The ownership stuff has been frustrating. I have no idea why it’s taken this long. It also seems other teams’ sales in recent years are far less dramatic. Maybe that’s because the of celebrity connections to date but even so.

I too would like to see ownership in place before addressing holes in the lineup, but at the end of the day, the 2023/2024 season is rapidly approaching. This team cannot afford to miss the playoffs again. The roster is more or less is what it is, and you need to address the holes to have any hope on a playoff berth.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Understood. I just don't want new ownership and the new GM to be handcuffed by significant new contracts.

Or DJ to coach.

Wondering if somehow PD is angling for the Hockey Ops position to keep a job and let new owners choose new GM or coach.

And whomever ends up being new owner will have a say in personal decisions in that 60 to 90 day period.....
- GrimmdaGoalie

I expect the new owners will appoint a President of hockey ops with Dorion and Smith remaining in their present jobs. Dorion would be fully accountable to the new guy on all hockey related decisions. I don't know how else they can handle such a late ownership transition.

The players love Smith. You would be inviting disaster if you changed coaches late in summer when the new owner finally gets control.

The closing period could be much quicker. I think it depends on many factors with the amount of debt to capital ratio being #1. Less obstacles, to dot i's and cross t's , with more capital vs debt.

I think its 60-40 Dorion will remain. Once a billionaire gets a new toy, they will want to play with it.

Who knows though, until its done

If i was to guess, i would say tomorrow is the day. A blockbuster nhl sale on the eve of the stanley cup. Great headlines.

Also i don't think the nhl will be very happy with friedman. His opinion casts a negative shadow on what the nhl is trying to accomplish. As fans our opinions dont carry much if any weight but his does. Unproffesional imo . At least he admitted he knows nothing about the procedure of buying and selling an nhl team. And has/had no inside info. Just an attack opinion piece from friedman....probably stems from being jealous of kypreos

Understood. I just don't want new ownership and the new GM to be handcuffed by significant new contracts.
- SensFan25

The only realistic scenario that this would happen would be if Debrincat was resigned long term or if he was moved and one or two players are added with questionable contracts, which would kind of defeat the purpose of moving Debrincat (unless it’s a legit goalie).

Other than that, the roster handcuffs are already on the existing roster. This team doesn’t have a ton of room to make any more splashes.

The closing period could be much quicker. I think it depends on many factors with the amount of debt to capital ratio being #1. Less obstacles, to dot i's and cross t's , with more capital vs debt.

I think its 60-40 Dorion will remain. Once a billionaire gets a new toy, they will want to play with it.

Who knows though, until its done

If i was to guess, i would say tomorrow is the day. A blockbuster nhl sale on the eve of the stanley cup. Great headlines.

Also i don't think the nhl will be very happy with friedman. His opinion casts a negative shadow on what the nhl is trying to accomplish. As fans our opinions dont carry much if any weight but his does. Unproffesional imo . At least he admitted he knows nothing about the procedure of buying and selling an nhl team. And has/had no inside info. Just an attack opinion piece....probably stems from being jealous of kypreos
- spazzbot

I think the hockey team issues on resale are secondary to the commercial and real estate development issues. The fact it is being done through a Board of Trustees set up by Melnyk simply means that everyone was aware of the process long before what would have normally happened in a conventional sale by an owner. Once everything has been completed, watch for the NHL to declare the sale of the Sens as being the gold standard for how they would like the process to be managed for the sale of teams in the future.

League officials have advised it will take another 60 to 90 days to close the Sens ownership deal after we are told which preferred bid has been conditionally selected.

Pretty much assures another full year, if not multiple years, of Dorion and Smith.

Would hope new owners appoint their own head of hockey operations to shadow and consult on significant moves during the transition period.

Overall, this has been a brilliantly managed process.

Ottawa fans have been amazing in terms of their patience and overall support of wanting the process to be done the right way.
- spatso

Put down the optimistic crack.

Put down the optimistic crack.
- CooCooKaChoo

Are you kidding me? In the beginning, nobody ever believed this would be a $billion price tag. Whoever crafted the sale strategy has done a masterful job in teasing out the variables and creating an intense bidding process. The guy who planned the sales strategy is an artist.

Are you kidding me? In the beginning, nobody ever believed this would be a $billion price tag. Whoever crafted the sale strategy has done a masterful job in teasing out the variables and creating an intense bidding process. The guy who planned the sales strategy is an artist.
- spatso

I kinda agree. I still don't think the team is worth more than $850 mil. If they get a billion, kudos to them.

And if the Sens sell for a billion, how much are the Leaves and Habs worth?

I kinda agree. I still don't think the team is worth more than $850 mil. If they get a billion, kudos to them.

And if the Sens sell for a billion, how much are the Leaves and Habs worth?
- GrimmdaGoalie

I would guess tor and mtl , are worth 4 billion +. Any of the other original 6 team definetly pushing 4 .
Its been an underpriced market for too long. Theese prices are overdue.
I do concur this sale has been a work of sports financial artistry. Quite interesting the shift on the value of the nhl.

Are you kidding me? In the beginning, nobody ever believed this would be a $billion price tag. Whoever crafted the sale strategy has done a masterful job in teasing out the variables and creating an intense bidding process. The guy who planned the sales strategy is an artist.
- spatso

The number sounds great, although I'm pretty sure they always said upwards of 1 billion. The fact that the team is handcuffed as the process drags on is the concern. Dorion pretty much said that DJ is gone on the radio yesterday, but can't do it until the team is bought. How awkward is that?

Dorion is in limbo, DJ Smith is in limbo, Debrincat is in limbo, and the draft is weeks away. They've mismanaged the timeline and now either bad, last minute decisions will be made; or worse, no decision, which will hurt this team moving forward.

It took the Washington Commanders something like 180 days from the day it went up for sale until they put the final touches on a 6 billion deal, we're at day 210 and we still don't know who the preferred bidder is.

It's great for the people getting a billion dollars, but the team is getting screwed by the timeline.

The number sounds great, although I'm pretty sure they always said upwards of 1 billion. The fact that the team is handcuffed as the process drags on is the concern. Dorion pretty much said that DJ is gone on the radio yesterday, but can't do it until the team is bought. How awkward is that?

Dorion is in limbo, DJ Smith is in limbo, Debrincat is in limbo, and the draft is weeks away. They've mismanaged the timeline and now either bad, last minute decisions will be made; or worse, no decision, which will hurt this team moving forward.

It took the Washington Commanders something like 180 days from the day it went up for sale until they put the final touches on a 6 billion deal, we're at day 210 and we still don't know who the preferred bidder is.

It's great for the people getting a billion dollars, but the team is getting screwed by the timeline.
- CooCooKaChoo

I have thought this too in recent weeks. Especially concerning the gm and coach. Debrincat nothing can be done until the end of playoffs and other trades/extensions if you want to maximize opportunity
Even though i am not concerned at all and believe it will work out best for us fans. Afterall this is a new paradigm for all future nhl sales worth. It maybe the Sens are the canary in the coal mine ...it is getting touchy now with timelines. If nothing is announced today, likely wont until the cup is over

It's great for the people getting a billion dollars, but the team is getting screwed by the timeline.
- CooCooKaChoo

Agree with previous comments that this process is yielding a new premium for small market teams. It's a bummer for the fans of course, who want clarity and to start seeing movement. While the closure of the deal might take 60-90 days I am hoping there's latitude for whoever is preferred to signal some intents to Dorion in the interim and before the draft. With just a few late picks this year, you've either got a major shakeup move in the works, or plans for a boring uneventful day. Hope it's the former, but don't suspect Dorion is the type to make a major move without some kind of green light given behind the scenes.