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Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

May 24 @ 4:20 PM ET
Thoughts?

To Arizona Coyotes
Filip Zadina, Tyler Boucher, 17th Pick Overall (DET) + another pick (DET)

To Ottawa Senators
Clayton Keller

To Detroit Red Wings
Alex DeBrincat (8 years @8.25M), Mathieu Joseph

- AlfieisKing


id be very hesitant to give a 40 goal scorer to a divisional rival who sens will be battling against for a playoff spot and possible multiple 1st round match ups in the coming years
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

May 24 @ 4:22 PM ET
only 4 teams have ever come back from 0-3, now watch both CAR and DAL do it in the same year lol
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

May 24 @ 5:11 PM ET
Kind of my concern. Warry of going through this again in a year.
- david22



Either way, i think both players are gone after this year to a US market for the biggest and longest possible contract for the both of them.

So then....who has more value for the Sens this year....Debrincat for only a year? Or Helly only for a year?

I think the later...
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

May 24 @ 9:45 PM ET
id be very hesitant to give a 40 goal scorer to a divisional rival who sens will be battling against for a playoff spot and possible multiple 1st round match ups in the coming years
- Mithos

Dany Heatley scored 50 goals with the Ottawa Senators when he was 25 & 26 years old. Then 41 goals at 27. After that he never scored 40 again. He was brought in at an expensive price (Marian Hossa).

Alex DeBrincat scored 40 goals at 21 and 24. Is it possible that he will never score 40 goals again? I say there's a strong chance of that. I'm not even sure if he'll hit 35 and if he does, how many seasons? The biggest thing that concerns me is the fact he is the smallest player in the NHL (outside Caufield).

If bringing in an all-star like Keller means giving up a star (not all star) like DeBrincat, I'm all for it. Red Wings need centers anyways
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

May 25 @ 6:33 AM ET
any one else get the feeling with Brady watching his brother being hero in FLA and going to the cup final that if OTT craps out again he may want out
CooCooKaChoo
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.15.2008

May 25 @ 7:20 AM ET
any one else get the feeling with Brady watching his brother being hero in FLA and going to the cup final that if OTT craps out again he may want out
- Mithos


Nope.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

May 25 @ 9:43 AM ET
any one else get the feeling with Brady watching his brother being hero in FLA and going to the cup final that if OTT craps out again he may want out
- Mithos

Not 1 bit

It's VERY difficult to make it to the cup finals. Seeing Matthew do it will only make him believe it's possible

His brother has played 510 career games before going on a cup run like this. If Brady hasn't been far in the playoffs by the summer of 2025, then I'd be worried. Not now
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

May 25 @ 11:15 AM ET
id be very hesitant to give a 40 goal scorer to a divisional rival who sens will be battling against for a playoff spot and possible multiple 1st round match ups in the coming years
- Mithos


My thought is why involve Detroit at all?? Deal with Arizona directly.

Ottawa: Debrincat, one of Thomson/Boucher, maybe Joseph (but I think that contract is a LOT harder to trade than most people think) or Formenton (ditto), mid draft pick or swap of rounds

Arizona: Keller, Vejmelka
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

May 25 @ 11:23 AM ET
Id add Adin Hill to the list of goalies the Sens should go after. But I think he may want more than 2-3 yrs and more money, especially if he wins the cup with VGK. And I think he resigns with Vegas.
OttawaB
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.02.2016

May 25 @ 11:24 AM ET
Nope. This is Brady's team for the length of the contract at least. He is a different kind of player then his brother. Playoffs are a crap shoot.

As per Hellebuyck trade potential. I say no because the only reason Winnipeg trades him is because they cannot re-sign him. If he won't sign in Winnipeg, I doubt he would sign in Ottawa. That is why I looked elsewhere for trades. And I don't want Binnington .... a head case and disruptive. Not a player who would fit in with our group IMO. But Gibson might if he agrees to waive his NMC and accept the trade to a team that is more competitive ..... I believe his lower numbers are more a factor of the poor team he plays for. I'm just not convinced that Anton Forsberg will be ready for the season and will not be near what he was due to the 2 knee operations. I want Ottawa to move on from Forsberg. Sogaard is not ready for number one or back up duties. He needs to be in Belleville where he can play a stack of games. Back-up in Ottawa doesn't develop him enough (he is still only 22, turns 23 in Dec). I just don't want to trade a lot of draft capital to get a goalie. That is why I look at existing personnel to feed a trade.
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

May 25 @ 12:01 PM ET
any one else get the feeling with Brady watching his brother being hero in FLA and going to the cup final that if OTT craps out again he may want out
- Mithos


He's signed for 5 more years, doesn't have much control over where he is until that clocks out. Certainly not in his best interest to grand stand, and I don't think he's that type of player IMHO. This question becomes relevant in 4 years time.
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

May 25 @ 12:02 PM ET
I'm hoping the Sens can get a shot at either Michael Hrabal or Carson Bjarnason in the 2nd round. Would add the G depth. And, when it doubt, they should draft Russian goalies late. You won't see them for 3 to 4 years, but Russians are dominating the league this year. It would be a good value, lottery pick at that point.

How crazy is it that Bob probably wouldn't make the Russian team for a World Cup or Olympics behind Vasi, Shattenkirk, or Sorokin?
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

May 25 @ 1:01 PM ET
I'm hoping the Sens can get a shot at either Michael Hrabal or Carson Bjarnason in the 2nd round. Would add the G depth. And, when it doubt, they should draft Russian goalies late. You won't see them for 3 to 4 years, but Russians are dominating the league this year. It would be a good value, lottery pick at that point.

How crazy is it that Bob probably wouldn't make the Russian team for a World Cup or Olympics behind Vasi, Shattenkirk, or Sorokin?

- GrimmdaGoalie


Lol. As much as I'd love to see Kevin Shattenkirk become a naturalized Russian and shift from D to the net in the twilight of his career, I'm sure your original intended candidate Shesterkin would be a better fit.
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

May 25 @ 1:06 PM ET
Lol. As much as I'd love to see Kevin Shattenkirk become a naturalized Russian and shift from D to the net in the twilight of his career, I'm sure your original intended candidate Shesterkin would be a better fit.
- Bartacus


LOL. Stupid ducking autocorrect....
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

May 25 @ 1:55 PM ET
I've been saying Adin Hill's name for awhile but he's likely priced himself out of our range with his playoff performance. Vegas will probably look to re-sign him and certainly if he wins them a cup, he won't be an option. I'd say a hard no to Gibson - overpaid and too many bad years leading up to now. We did that with Matt Murray already.

A Brossoit/Hill/Vejmelka type of netminder though - players that have gotten promising looks, put up decent numbers with a small sample size, mid/late twenties at 1/2 years, sub 3M. Players with something to prove.

New owners might want to get splashy but hope they look closely at recent history and numbers. Lots of very solid young big goalies in the KHL right now. Stay away from the Martin Jones' and Quicks of the world and avoid reclamation projects with term (Petersen, Gibson, Campbell).
If they want to splash, seriously consider putting in a 4.25M*5 offer sheet for Swayman to put pressure on a cap crunched Bruins team (costs only our 2024 2nd rounder) and the Sens should be good to go.
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

May 25 @ 3:06 PM ET
I've been saying Adin Hill's name for awhile but he's likely priced himself out of our range with his playoff performance. Vegas will probably look to re-sign him and certainly if he wins them a cup, he won't be an option. I'd say a hard no to Gibson - overpaid and too many bad years leading up to now. We did that with Matt Murray already.

A Brossoit/Hill/Vejmelka type of netminder though - players that have gotten promising looks, put up decent numbers with a small sample size, mid/late twenties at 1/2 years, sub 3M. Players with something to prove.

New owners might want to get splashy but hope they look closely at recent history and numbers. Lots of very solid young big goalies in the KHL right now. Stay away from the Martin Jones' and Quicks of the world and avoid reclamation projects with term (Petersen, Gibson, Campbell).
If they want to splash, seriously consider putting in a 4.25M*5 offer sheet for Swayman to put pressure on a cap crunched Bruins team (costs only our 2024 2nd rounder) and the Sens should be good to go.

- Bartacus


I also think highly of Swayman and think that is the way to go, outside of trading for Vladar on the cheap or taking a huge risk on young talent like Knight, Demko or getting paid to take Peterson.

HOWEVER...if you gander over at the Bruins bloggers and the comments....Bruins fans seem VERY eager to trade Ullmark to resign both Swayman and Bertuzzi.

The guy is going to win the Vezina and they want to trade him away??
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

May 25 @ 5:57 PM ET
I also think highly of Swayman and think that is the way to go, outside of trading for Vladar on the cheap or taking a huge risk on young talent like Knight, Demko or getting paid to take Peterson.

HOWEVER...if you gander over at the Bruins bloggers and the comments....Bruins fans seem VERY eager to trade Ullmark to resign both Swayman and Bertuzzi.

The guy is going to win the Vezina and they want to trade him away??

- GrimmdaGoalie


I kinda get it - Swayman's numbers are rock solid for such a young minder, and while Boston are in a pinch with the cap, they won't have to sell low on Ullmark given there are a few teams (SJS, Leafs, NJ, Pitt, Buffalo, Chicago, LA) who need a better look in net, and what better look than the reigning Vezina winner? Still think the offer sheet is a good idea because it will force their hand on Ullmark - they can't afford 10M in net with Pastrnak's increase and the cap overages from bonuses to Bergeron and Krejci. But Boston 100% matches 4.25*3/4/5 on Swayman - that's a bargain for the term, and they can move Ullmark, Hall, Forbort and Reilly with some creativity and find another 15M out there to fill the rest of the gaps.

It would be worth making a call on Ullmark if he goes to market, if only to see if Ottawa is on his 16 team NTC. Gotta imagine Ullmark doesn't want to go back to Buffalo, and he's probably not interested in going to a tire fire team like SJS or Chicago in the short run either, so he could well be another option to consider.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

May 26 @ 8:24 AM ET
Watched Jeopardy Masters for its Canadian content. Led me to think of Stutzle draft and his progress.

Also thought about how much I love Jack Hughes as a player. He is a budding superstar. I was curios to see how the match up of Timmy and Jack Hughes was looking.. Despite Hughes being drafted the year previous and playing an extra season the numbers match up really well. Two young players producing almost identical results, Timmy appears to be a little ahead on the year to year improvement but Hughes was impacted by injury in the first couple of seasons. Both are well on their way to being consistent point per game players.

And, the Sens got Sanderson with their own draft pick only two selections later.
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

May 26 @ 2:07 PM ET
You have to wonder if the Leafs won't do the Senators a solid by buying out Matt Murray (or effectively bribing someone else to do it instead).
https://www.capfriendly.c...t-calculator/matt-murray1

It would save the Leafs ~$4M of cap space for next season, and save the Senators ~$1M of effectively dead cap space. That could make quite a difference in terms of the quality of their 4th-line forward/7th D-man (e.g. Hamonic, Brassard, etc.).
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

May 26 @ 6:07 PM ET
You have to wonder if the Leafs won't do the Senators a solid by buying out Matt Murray (or effectively bribing someone else to do it instead).
https://www.capfriendly.c...t-calculator/matt-murray1

It would save the Leafs ~$4M of cap space for next season, and save the Senators ~$1M of effectively dead cap space. That could make quite a difference in terms of the quality of their 4th-line forward/7th D-man (e.g. Hamonic, Brassard, etc.).

- khawk


Both Hamonic and Brassard would be great depth additions. Not every veteran has the emotional make up to support priority being given to support the growth of the team's young talent.

Hamonic was especially effective with Sanderson. Sanderson has been very open in terms of how much Hamonic has helped his transition into the NHL.
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

May 27 @ 12:25 PM ET
You have to wonder if the Leafs won't do the Senators a solid by buying out Matt Murray (or effectively bribing someone else to do it instead).
https://www.capfriendly.c...t-calculator/matt-murray1

It would save the Leafs ~$4M of cap space for next season, and save the Senators ~$1M of effectively dead cap space. That could make quite a difference in terms of the quality of their 4th-line forward/7th D-man (e.g. Hamonic, Brassard, etc.).

- khawk


They may have to do that just to have the cap space to sign Samsonov.

Only PD would do a brilliant trade like getting rid of Matt Murray to a division rival....in order to make up for the awful signing in the first place

Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

May 27 @ 10:21 PM ET
They may have to do that just to have the cap space to sign Samsonov.

Only PD would do a brilliant trade like getting rid of Matt Murray to a division rival....in order to make up for the awful signing in the first place

- GrimmdaGoalie


Dorion saddling Toronto with Murray was in hindsight masterful and almost makes up for the absolutely one-sided debacle that was him taking on the Zaitsev contract. Almost.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

May 27 @ 11:29 PM ET
Dorion saddling Toronto with Murray was in hindsight masterful and almost makes up for the absolutely one-sided debacle that was him taking on the Zaitsev contract. Almost.
- Bartacus

Almost in deed lol
GrimmdaGoalie
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.07.2016

May 28 @ 2:52 PM ET
Almost in deed lol
- AlfieisKing

We did get Connor Brown in that deal....so....
OttawaB
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.02.2016

May 28 @ 4:11 PM ET
And full circle .... we traded Connor Brown to Washington for a 2nd round pick which we eventually used to offload Zaitsev.

And Brown was injured all season and is now a UFA. So Washington gave us a 2nd round pick for .... nothing.

Everyone needs to remember that Brown got traded because he presumably did not want to re-sign with Ottawa. So all this grousing by people about losing Brown .... when he did not want to be here anyways. We got what we needed out of Brown and Paul and even Zaitsev .... 3 utility guys to play up the line-up as needed as we rebuilt and gave our younger guys time to develop in the minors. All served their purpose and needed to move on as their roles would have fallen to 3rd line and 3rd d-man pairing for Zaitsev .... with too much $$ and too much term (Paul 3.15 million for 6 or 7 years .... no thank you .... and we have no idea what Brown will get now).
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