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Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Mar 15 @ 6:12 AM ET
Can be a bit of a struggle to identify silver linings after another disappointing road loss. Several GA were the direct result of missing chances to clear, basic missed assignments, etc. They also wasted the effort of battling for a 2-2 draw after the 1st period by giving up 3 in the 2nd, including one with just 1 second left on the clock. Looking back, they actually seem lucky to have pulled even 2pts on this Western road trip.

On the positive side...
- Stutzle got back onto the score sheet with 2G
- the PP got back into gear, and avoided any SHG against
- Sogaard showed resilience with multiple big saves in the 3rd period
- this horror-show of a road trip is (finally) over

They're also somehow just 6Pts out of a playoff spot, with 2 games in hand. It's true that both FLA/BUF have moved up in the standings, and the Senators have a difficult stretch ahead vs. COL, TOR, PIT, BOS, TB, NJ, and FLA. But several of those games are against teams that have effectively clinched playoff spots and may not be playing their best hockey, plus there are 2 huge games against PIT/FLA where they can make up serious ground.
Octavarium
New York Islanders
Joined: 01.03.2007

Mar 15 @ 8:10 AM ET
Not sure why all the "wrong and wrong" in here.


Pretty much every internet source available including NHL.com parrots the same thing. Trades can occur after the trade deadline. However. Those players moved aren't able to play in the play offs for the teams in that calendar year.

So. Spencer Knight who is on his elc, and is currently wrapping up some time in the players assistance program IS available for trade from the Panthers. As is Cal Petersen of LA who is buried in the minors. We might be able to "fix" him and possibly give them some salary that we don't want.

I wonder what the rule is on trading buyouts. That would be neat to explore. I'm guessing it's a no-go.
Ratsreign
Florida Panthers
Location: Mo can stay awhile, FL
Joined: 10.27.2017

Mar 15 @ 9:21 AM ET
Not sure why all the "wrong and wrong" in here.


Pretty much every internet source available including NHL.com parrots the same thing. Trades can occur after the trade deadline. However. Those players moved aren't able to play in the play offs for the teams in that calendar year.

So. Spencer Knight who is on his elc, and is currently wrapping up some time in the players assistance program IS available for trade from the Panthers. As is Cal Petersen of LA who is buried in the minors. We might be able to "fix" him and possibly give them some salary that we don't want.

I wonder what the rule is on trading buyouts. That would be neat to explore. I'm guessing it's a no-go.

- Octavarium


Spencer Knight isn’t available, even if he is “technically” available.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 15 @ 9:56 AM ET
Guys have gone wickedly hot and cold all season. Been away working without access to tv or internet. Only saw Edmonton game from all the games on this Western swing. Sounds like I did not miss much. Last night Edmonton appeared to be operating at a higher energy level on almost every shift.

Schedule does not get any easier. Let's see if the guys can suck it up.

Hope Timmy makes a serious run at hitting 40.



spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 15 @ 10:10 AM ET
Ryan Reynolds owned 25% of T-Mint Mobile. They have been sold and Reynolds netted an eye popping $337m from his share of the sale. Perhaps he is a much bigger fish in the Sens game than what I had thought. $337m should be enough for to buy 35% (or more) of the Sens. We should start hearing some serious feedback as some players begin to get weeded out next week.

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Mar 15 @ 10:26 AM ET
Interesting, the T Mobile purchase of Mint includes some cash and shares to a value of $337m. for Reynolds. The total price for the purchase of Mint is $1.35b. Even more interesting, the deal also provides for Reynolds and his company Maximum Effort to move up and become spokesman for T Mobile in a long term deal. Might be a lot more to this guy becoming engaged with the Sens than we first thought.

I thought he was eye candy and something on the edges that might be great from a promotional perspective. But, obviously, this guy is no amateur in the corporate world.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Mar 15 @ 10:50 AM ET
Can be a bit of a struggle to identify silver linings after another disappointing road loss. Several GA were the direct result of missing chances to clear, basic missed assignments, etc. They also wasted the effort of battling for a 2-2 draw after the 1st period by giving up 3 in the 2nd, including one with just 1 second left on the clock. Looking back, they actually seem lucky to have pulled even 2pts on this Western road trip.

On the positive side...
- Stutzle got back onto the score sheet with 2G
- the PP got back into gear, and avoided any SHG against
- Sogaard showed resilience with multiple big saves in the 3rd period
- this horror-show of a road trip is (finally) over

They're also somehow just 6Pts out of a playoff spot, with 2 games in hand. It's true that both FLA/BUF have moved up in the standings, and the Senators have a difficult stretch ahead vs. COL, TOR, PIT, BOS, TB, NJ, and FLA. But several of those games are against teams that have effectively clinched playoff spots and may not be playing their best hockey, plus there are 2 huge games against PIT/FLA where they can make up serious ground.

- khawk


It certainly is frustrating see them continue to make the same mistakes. Adding a guy like chychrun was supposed to help stablize things, but the same mistakes keep happening. It it all on the coaching?

Still hoping for a strong finish, even if playoffs are unlikely or out or recah, but If this keeps up people are going to be opening up tankathon again.
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Mar 15 @ 11:01 AM ET
Not sure why all the "wrong and wrong" in here.


Pretty much every internet source available including NHL.com parrots the same thing. Trades can occur after the trade deadline. However. Those players moved aren't able to play in the play offs for the teams in that calendar year.

So. Spencer Knight who is on his elc, and is currently wrapping up some time in the players assistance program IS available for trade from the Panthers. As is Cal Petersen of LA who is buried in the minors. We might be able to "fix" him and possibly give them some salary that we don't want.

I wonder what the rule is on trading buyouts. That would be neat to explore. I'm guessing it's a no-go.

- Octavarium


Yeah I did check Google on this and the first hit was a PPP article that suggests they could play post deadline, so I was wrong on that! Mea culpa, classic Google giving contradictory messages.
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Mar 15 @ 11:04 AM ET
It certainly is frustrating see them continue to make the same mistakes. Adding a guy like chychrun was supposed to help stablize things, but the same mistakes keep happening. It it all on the coaching?

Still hoping for a strong finish, even if playoffs are unlikely or out or recah, but If this keeps up people are going to be opening up tankathon again.

- david22


There is a noticeable lack of systems consistency and lack of experimentation in the face of adversity from this bench boss. I still don't think simply adding Norris and Chychrun full health at the beginning of this season would have guaranteed us a berth. Trying the same things, expecting different results. It's the definition of something as I recall.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Mar 15 @ 11:36 AM ET
Ryan Reynolds owned 25% of T-Mint Mobile. They have been sold and Reynolds netted an eye popping $337m from his share of the sale. Perhaps he is a much bigger fish in the Sens game than what I had thought. $337m should be enough for to buy 35% (or more) of the Sens. We should start hearing some serious feedback as some players begin to get weeded out next week.
- spatso

SensFan25
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 08.24.2006

Mar 15 @ 11:42 AM ET
Interesting, the T Mobile purchase of Mint includes some cash and shares to a value of $337m. for Reynolds. The total price for the purchase of Mint is $1.35b. Even more interesting, the deal also provides for Reynolds and his company Maximum Effort to move up and become spokesman for T Mobile in a long term deal. Might be a lot more to this guy becoming engaged with the Sens than we first thought.

I thought he was eye candy and something on the edges that might be great from a promotional perspective. But, obviously, this guy is no amateur in the corporate world.

- spatso

Agreed.

It is hard to argue with success. Between the Wrexham football club and Mint, Reynolds has shown that he is a winner in the world of business and marketing.

The Remington - Ryan Reynolds bid has a lot to offer and makes a lot of sense. For Remington, the Senators offers huge real estate plays - building the new stadium, developing the lands in Kanata around CTC and entering a new key Ontario real estate market in a high profile role. Given the huge growth in population that is currently ongoing, the Ottawa area just makes sense for grabbing more than its fair share of new construction. Ryan Reynolds obviously brings in the skillset to oversee a professional sports franchise and can do the marketing/promoting for the club.
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Mar 15 @ 12:47 PM ET

- AlfieisKing

Delete. Your. Account.
RyeDog13
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 05.03.2018

Mar 15 @ 12:54 PM ET
Can be a bit of a struggle to identify silver linings after another disappointing road loss. Several GA were the direct result of missing chances to clear, basic missed assignments, etc.
- khawk


This right here is the most important reason why we need a new coach, all the little cutsie plays by the big names and the just awful execution getting the puck out. The cross slot plays that are 3 feet off the ice, for a DJ smith coached team they sure do alot of that seemingly unchecked by the coach. They need to simplify things and be held accountable (only assuming they aren't because it is a recurring theme). Sometimes young players loving their coach is a bad thing.
wreckage
Florida Panthers
Location: Fuck Putin, fire Holland, AB
Joined: 07.29.2013

Mar 15 @ 1:47 PM ET
Not sure why all the "wrong and wrong" in here.


Pretty much every internet source available including NHL.com parrots the same thing. Trades can occur after the trade deadline. However. Those players moved aren't able to play in the play offs for the teams in that calendar year.

So. Spencer Knight who is on his elc, and is currently wrapping up some time in the players assistance program IS available for trade from the Panthers. As is Cal Petersen of LA who is buried in the minors. We might be able to "fix" him and possibly give them some salary that we don't want.

I wonder what the rule is on trading buyouts. That would be neat to explore. I'm guessing it's a no-go.

- Octavarium

https://www.nbcsports.com...e-deadline-date-time-more

See also a Twitter post from CapFriendly on Mar 22/22 regarding the Knights attempting to deal Dadanov post deadline. A player traded after deadline is not eligible to play in the NHL for the remainder of the season and is ineligible for AHL postseason roster.
Octavarium
New York Islanders
Joined: 01.03.2007

Mar 15 @ 3:01 PM ET
https://hockeyanswered.co...an-nhl-teams-make-trades/


halfway down...completely contradicts that point

as I said. There's a bunch of resources that say the same thing.

And in this article the example given is "sometimes there are minor deals between non-playoff teams due to injuries etc etc.

The Sens have burned through ECHL and Ontario University goalies and could easily make a deal with someone for one of their goalies. It might not be a bad idea either. If he is good enough to miraculously get this team into the playoffs maybe Talbot is healthy enough by that point
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Mar 15 @ 3:38 PM ET
https://hockeyanswered.com/when-can-nhl-teams-make-trades/


halfway down...completely contradicts that point

as I said. There's a bunch of resources that say the same thing.

And in this article the example given is "sometimes there are minor deals between non-playoff teams due to injuries etc etc.

The Sens have burned through ECHL and Ontario University goalies and could easily make a deal with someone for one of their goalies. It might not be a bad idea either. If he is good enough to miraculously get this team into the playoffs maybe Talbot is healthy enough by that point

- Octavarium


There's a remarkable amount of contradictory posting and language on this, quite a few from reasonably reputable blogs and outlets. Here's one from TSN regarding the recent Sens' post deadline trades of Rubin's and Hawrlyuk:
https://www.tsn.ca/ottawa...-calgary-flames-1.1929756

There are a couple articles like this - noting the playoffs, not the regular season. Rationally you would assume that means those players could still play in the regular season.

But this tweet from Alan Walsh is what convinced me:
https://mobile.twitter.co...tatus/1632884417025941504

I saw that article you cited as well Octa - there is clearly some confusion on the rules here. A player agent with Walsh's tenure would obviously know these rules, but the league should really clean that up so it's clearer because a lot of usually reliable media outlets who should know the rules clearly don't.
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Mar 15 @ 6:38 PM ET
This right here is the most important reason why we need a new coach, all the little cutsie plays by the big names and the just awful execution getting the puck out. The cross slot plays that are 3 feet off the ice, for a DJ smith coached team they sure do alot of that seemingly unchecked by the coach. They need to simplify things and be held accountable (only assuming they aren't because it is a recurring theme).Sometimes young players loving their coach is a bad thing.
- RyeDog13

Wonder if they were loving the part where the lack of decent coaching left them predictably unprepared for the biggest games of their young careers, and they wound up falling flat on their face against a series of very beatable opponents. Coaches are like teachers, they're not supposed to be your friend- they're supposed to prepare you for what's coming next. Then again, few things are better teachers than failure, so maybe its a necessary journey.
GPHawksfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: AB
Joined: 01.26.2018

Mar 15 @ 8:24 PM ET
Not sure why all the "wrong and wrong" in here.


Pretty much every internet source available including NHL.com parrots the same thing. Trades can occur after the trade deadline. However. Those players moved aren't able to play in the play offs for the teams in that calendar year.

So. Spencer Knight who is on his elc, and is currently wrapping up some time in the players assistance program IS available for trade from the Panthers. As is Cal Petersen of LA who is buried in the minors. We might be able to "fix" him and possibly give them some salary that we don't want.

I wonder what the rule is on trading buyouts. That would be neat to explore. I'm guessing it's a no-go.

- Octavarium

I don't know what sources you're reading but if you go on cap friendly.com and search it or many player agents have posted about it too. Any player traded after the trade deadline cannot play in the regular season or playoffs
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Mar 15 @ 11:48 PM ET
Delete. Your. Account.
- wreckage
Get.over.it
Raven33
Ottawa Senators
Location: Jenn, stop copying me as I copy Garth myself! - Andrew S.
Joined: 11.12.2008

Mar 16 @ 10:29 AM ET
https://www.sportsnet.ca/.../bruins-sign-marty-turco/

This is an example of a signature after the trade deadline... not a trade but same thing, adding a player after the trade deadline enables them to play for the rest of the season but not the playoffs...
Bartacus
Ottawa Senators
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.08.2019

Mar 16 @ 2:19 PM ET
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bruins-sign-marty-turco/

This is an example of a signature after the trade deadline... not a trade but same thing, adding a player after the trade deadline enables them to play for the rest of the season but not the playoffs...

- Raven33


See that's confusing, but it's from 2012 and I wonder if the language could have changed to prevent that in the most recent CBA. It's possible... I don't know what to believe anymore lol.
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Mar 16 @ 3:01 PM ET
Little behind on my blog contribution for today but will submit it after the game tonight with post-game reaction, blog topic, and look towards the Battle of Ontario that is on Saturday. Thanks for your patience!
Mithos
Joined: 04.14.2021

Mar 16 @ 7:19 PM ET
2-0 in first 5 minutes and OTT has no shot on net....
Whatisavailable
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 08.20.2021

Mar 16 @ 9:04 PM ET
Well Sogaard just made the blooper reels for the next ten years.

Too bad because I thought they were looking strong enough to come back.

They really need to get out front of a Sanderson contract like they did with Stutzle because if they let that guy play next year also on the PP he will cost them a fortune.

Try for 8 x 8 and that will be a steal.

I love this team. They are still pressing. Good goal by Hamonic down low.

5 4

Embellishment? These refs are total BS.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

Mar 16 @ 10:01 PM ET
Well any silver linings from that game are negated by that wierd ass goal. Yeah, play to the whistle and all that, but how was that not blown dead?
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