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Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Feb 17 @ 12:46 AM ET
If the Playoff matchups were based on today it might look like this for the Jets:

First round : Colorado Avalanche
Second Round : Dallas Stars
Third Round : VGK
Final : Boston Bruins

I post this because every team in the hunt is going to improve in their areas of need . That part is all a near wash as teams give up tons of assets and only one team will look smart in the end. Chevy has always been the pike-in-the-weeds type of GM. This year he could go with several different routes to improving the team

1) Give up valuable costly assets to get a Timo Meier, a Ryan O'Reilly, Jacob Chychryn or possibly an Eric Karlsson.

2) Wait till other teams blow their wad and go after next-tier type guys like Jonathan Toews, Patrik Kane, Barbashev, Larkin, Monahan, etc. Lesser cost but possibly a smarter play considering the playoff opponents.

3) At a more unacceptable level but still legit is to get several guys like Perron, Nyquist, Okposo, Ghost, Shattenkirk, Klinberg, Hornqvist, Domi

Is one player for Category 1 a better option than 2 players from #2, or three players from #3 ?

Hard to say. What is real right now is that getting to the Stanley Cup finals will be no easy task but at some point you have to go for it and with regards to the Jet's history that time has been no better than now and back in 2017-18.

- jetsnation


If the Jets don’t add someone to bump Wheeler out of the top 6, and replace Pionk, they aren’t a real contender. That’s it, that’s all.

#4 is sinking his partners. Samberg-Schmidt has been excellent, and Morrissey-DeMelo is an utterly dominant pairing. Oddly enough, Dillon-Heinola was also effective. The solution should be pretty simple here. Move Pionk for a Garland type.

As for the forward group, Barron-Lowry-Wheeler would be scary and effective at both ends.
Get Meier, bump Wheeler down, and if we’re assuming my Pionk thing happens first, you can use Garland in the 17-18 Perreault role where he carries an entire line by himself.

That would come out something like:
91-55-27
81-80-TM
36-17-26
89-22-CG

44-2
5-14
54-88
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Feb 17 @ 2:31 PM ET
If the Jets don’t add someone to bump Wheeler out of the top 6, and replace Pionk, they aren’t a real contender. That’s it, that’s all.

#4 is sinking his partners. Samberg-Schmidt has been excellent, and Morrissey-DeMelo is an utterly dominant pairing. Oddly enough, Dillon-Heinola was also effective. The solution should be pretty simple here. Move Pionk for a Garland type.

As for the forward group, Barron-Lowry-Wheeler would be scary and effective at both ends.
Get Meier, bump Wheeler down, and if we’re assuming my Pionk thing happens first, you can use Garland in the 17-18 Perreault role where he carries an entire line by himself.

That would come out something like:
91-55-27
81-80-TM
36-17-26
89-22-CG

44-2
5-14
54-88

- Rexypoo


I think you would want to put Timo Meier with Ehlers.

I also think Lowry is better suited to be a fourth line energy player/penalty killer. Third line scoring is huge in the playoffs and we need a line that can contribute more offensively than what we currently have.
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Feb 17 @ 4:26 PM ET
If the Jets don’t add someone to bump Wheeler out of the top 6, and replace Pionk, they aren’t a real contender. That’s it, that’s all.

#4 is sinking his partners. Samberg-Schmidt has been excellent, and Morrissey-DeMelo is an utterly dominant pairing. Oddly enough, Dillon-Heinola was also effective. The solution should be pretty simple here. Move Pionk for a Garland type.

As for the forward group, Barron-Lowry-Wheeler would be scary and effective at both ends.
Get Meier, bump Wheeler down, and if we’re assuming my Pionk thing happens first, you can use Garland in the 17-18 Perreault role where he carries an entire line by himself.

That would come out something like:
91-55-27
81-80-TM
36-17-26
89-22-CG

44-2
5-14
54-88

- Rexypoo


Two more weeks to go... I wish Chevy could do something prior to the deadline so the new addition has more time to adjust.... and to satisfy all us fans patiently waiting for the GM to pull the trigger.
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Feb 17 @ 4:31 PM ET
I think you would want to put Timo Meier with Ehlers.

I also think Lowry is better suited to be a fourth line energy player/penalty killer. Third line scoring is huge in the playoffs and we need a line that can contribute more offensively than what we currently have.

- TheUltimateJet


I can agree with that, some 3rd line scoring would certainly help.
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Feb 17 @ 4:52 PM ET
I think you would want to put Timo Meier with Ehlers.

I also think Lowry is better suited to be a fourth line energy player/penalty killer. Third line scoring is huge in the playoffs and we need a line that can contribute more offensively than what we currently have.

- TheUltimateJet


Meier and Ehlers provide more or less the same things. Ehlers just creates a bit more, while Meier defends a bit better.

As for the 3rd line scoring, Lowry has always been able to step up when he’s with talented players. Stapling him to Appleton has been a mistake basically since it started happening
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Feb 17 @ 8:16 PM ET
Meier and Ehlers provide more or less the same things. Ehlers just creates a bit more, while Meier defends a bit better.

As for the 3rd line scoring, Lowry has always been able to step up when he’s with talented players. Stapling him to Appleton has been a mistake basically since it started happening

- Rexypoo


Agreed
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 11:09 PM ET
Meier and Ehlers provide more or less the same things. Ehlers just creates a bit more, while Meier defends a bit better.

As for the 3rd line scoring, Lowry has always been able to step up when he’s with talented players. Stapling him to Appleton has been a mistake basically since it started happening

- Rexypoo


Yep!
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Feb 17 @ 11:11 PM ET
Yep!
- grahamzky


And the Leafs get O'Reilly, giving up really little. Crazy!
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Feb 17 @ 11:50 PM ET
And the Leafs get O'Reilly, giving up really little. Crazy!
- grahamzky


The fact they Acciari as well is ludicrous. Leafs should be the favorite now for the cup. That center depth is something else.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Feb 17 @ 11:54 PM ET
Meier and Ehlers provide more or less the same things. Ehlers just creates a bit more, while Meier defends a bit better.

As for the 3rd line scoring, Lowry has always been able to step up when he’s with talented players. Stapling him to Appleton has been a mistake basically since it started happening

- Rexypoo


"Lowry has always been able to step up when he's with talented players"

When was that cause I don't recall that, I do remember him having Wheeler and Scheifele to play with for a pretty decent stretch last season and they did absolutely nothing. Any other time he's had skilled linemates nothing happens, if Wheeler or Perfetti got dropped down to Lowry's line I doubt we'd see anymore offense from that line, neither of Perfetti or Wheeler are miracle workers and you can't get blood from a stone.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Feb 17 @ 11:56 PM ET
The fact they Acciari as well is ludicrous. Leafs should be the favorite now for the cup. That center depth is something else.
- TheUltimateJet


Pretty sure Minnesota got Acciari in that deal, was a
3-way trade where the Wild retained 25% of O'Reilly's cap hit.

Edit: CapFriendly updated the trade, the Leafs did get Acciari, they also got a center prospect Josh Pillar, the Wild got the Leafs 2025 4th round pick.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Feb 18 @ 8:52 PM ET
Timo Meier talk to Winnipeg is heating up. Is Chevel363daysoff going to change his name to Chevel362daysoff?
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Feb 18 @ 9:48 PM ET
"Lowry has always been able to step up when he's with talented players"

When was that cause I don't recall that, I do remember him having Wheeler and Scheifele to play with for a pretty decent stretch last season and they did absolutely nothing. Any other time he's had skilled linemates nothing happens, if Wheeler or Perfetti got dropped down to Lowry's line I doubt we'd see anymore offense from that line, neither of Perfetti or Wheeler are miracle workers and you can't get blood from a stone.

- JetFuel


I agree with Jetfuel. Lowry has not stepped up offensively when paired with talent. He is good at a third-line role and exceptionally good at the PK. That is his role and it will not and should not ever change.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Feb 18 @ 10:03 PM ET
Timo Meier talk to Winnipeg is heating up. Is Chevel363daysoff going to change his name to Chevel362daysoff?
- TheUltimateJet


The price is getting steeper by the day. Chevy is going to have a tough time paying the asking price. With the Devils potentially offering a 1st, Holtz, and possibly Mercer, and the Canes potentially offering a 1st , Morrow , and Martinook what could the Jets counter with?

The type of ask price right now is something similar to a 2023 1st, McGroarty, Heinola and maybe throw in a 2024 3rd to seal the deal . Meier might have some say in this as he is very good freinds with Ehlers, although NJ has a great Swiss connection as a draw. Of course, as mentioned here in the past is the fact as an RFA that Meier will fetch a higher price tag because he has the potential to be flippable for a somehwat similar but slightly lesser return next year OR signed to a longer-term contract at $8.5 to $9 MM per

Chevy also has to counter into that the risk of Meier getting injured in the last 25 games or so or the playoffs and then all is for naught. Part of the risk of any trade though. I am only mentioning this because it's less likely to happen with two good players vs one exceptional player. Just saying...

EDIT : As much as I love Meier, would he cost the same as say JVR and Shattenkirk or Klingberg?
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Feb 19 @ 10:42 AM ET
I agree with Jetfuel. Lowry has not stepped up offensively when paired with talent. He is good at a third-line role and exceptionally good at the PK. That is his role and it will not and should not ever change.
- jetsnation


Most third liners have some ability to score. Lowry is an exceptional 4th line player.
Quinn's Quest
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 08.08.2022

Feb 19 @ 2:25 PM ET
If the Playoff matchups were based on today it might look like this for the Jets:

First round : Colorado Avalanche
Second Round : Dallas Stars
Third Round : VGK
Final : Boston Bruins

I post this because every team in the hunt is going to improve in their areas of need . That part is all a near wash as teams give up tons of assets and only one team will look smart in the end. Chevy has always been the pike-in-the-weeds type of GM. This year he could go with several different routes to improving the team

1) Give up valuable costly assets to get a Timo Meier, a Ryan O'Reilly, Jacob Chychryn or possibly an Eric Karlsson.

2) Wait till other teams blow their wad and go after next-tier type guys like Jonathan Toews, Patrik Kane, Barbashev, Larkin, Monahan, etc. Lesser cost but possibly a smarter play considering the playoff opponents.

3) At a more unacceptable level but still legit is to get several guys like Perron, Nyquist, Okposo, Ghost, Shattenkirk, Klinberg, Hornqvist, Domi

Is one player for Category 1 a better option than 2 players from #2, or three players from #3 ?

Hard to say. What is real right now is that getting to the Stanley Cup finals will be no easy task but at some point you have to go for it and with regards to the Jet's history that time has been no better than now and back in 2017-18.

- jetsnation


Don’t see Boeser on the list but the blogger has him high up as a target.

But better yet how about JTM? Being signed to an extension must also be appealing. Potentially could fit both in with retention on Boeser a cap dump.
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Feb 19 @ 3:05 PM ET
Most third liners have some ability to score. Lowry is an exceptional 4th line player.
- TheUltimateJet


Lowry brings many other skills to the team that the goal scorers can only dream of.
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Feb 19 @ 4:05 PM ET
Lowry brings many other skills to the team that the goal scorers can only dream of.
- bennythehat


Just because he’s a fourth liner does not mean he’s a bad player. He is decent defensively and can kill penalties. He’s not elite defensively. That’s what most 4th liners in the NHL are.
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Feb 19 @ 4:46 PM ET
Don’t see Boeser on the list but the blogger has him high up as a target.

But better yet how about JTM? Being signed to an extension must also be appealing. Potentially could fit both in with retention on Boeser a cap dump.

- Quinn's Quest


But does JTM personality fit into this locker room?
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Feb 19 @ 6:01 PM ET
But does JTM personality fit into this locker room?
- Old Flopper


He sounds a lot like pre-Bowness Wheeler
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Feb 19 @ 6:09 PM ET
The Jets better pick up the pace because a few more losses and they might just find themselves in a wildcard position and somewhere around 14th in the league. The Avalance and Wild are now nipping on their heels.

The only small positive I can find from that is the 2023 first-round draft pick might be worth more in a trade but at the same time the Jets' playoff chances would be dramatically worse.
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Feb 19 @ 9:51 PM ET
The Jets better pick up the pace because a few more losses and they might just find themselves in a wildcard position and somewhere around 14th in the league. The Avalance and Wild are now nipping on their heels.

The only small positive I can find from that is the 2023 first-round draft pick might be worth more in a trade but at the same time the Jets' playoff chances would be dramatically worse.

- jetsnation


Yep, the pack is closing in.

Chevy patiently waiting for that prefect trade has the potential to bite him in the a$$. The team needs an injection of something.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Feb 19 @ 10:21 PM ET
The Jets better pick up the pace because a few more losses and they might just find themselves in a wildcard position and somewhere around 14th in the league. The Avalance and Wild are now nipping on their heels.

The only small positive I can find from that is the 2023 first-round draft pick might be worth more in a trade but at the same time the Jets' playoff chances would be dramatically worse.

- jetsnation


Does everyone feel the Jets are a shoe-in for the playoffs? They are only like 6 pts ahead of the Flames for the 8th playoff position in the West. I would hate the final position to go down to the last game between the Jets vs Flames!

If we are fully sire of a playoff position, my main targets as a GM would be: Crouse and Chychrun from the Coyotes; and Meier and Karlsson from the Sharks. Of course, Karlsson has to agree to trade, and I doubt he will.

Karlsson would put us in salary cap trouble for next season but let's face it, we won't keep all of PLD, Scheifele, Wheeler and Hellebuyck (as well as Meier if lucky enough to get him).

Ammunition to trade: Jets - Pionk, Stanley, Barron, Kulman, Gustafsson, Appleton, Schmidt; Prospects - Heinola, Lambert, McGroarty, Lucius, Tikkanen, Chibrikov and rights to Vesalainen and Rashnevsky; Draft picks - our 2024 1st (top 3 protected) and 2nd. Some combination of these!

Don't want to trade - Samberg, Perfetti and Solomonsson, as well as 2023 1st
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Feb 19 @ 11:28 PM ET
Does everyone feel the Jets are a shoe-in for the playoffs? They are only like 6 pts ahead of the Flames for the 8th playoff position in the West. I would hate the final position to go down to the last game between the Jets vs Flames!

If we are fully sire of a playoff position, my main targets as a GM would be: Crouse and Chychrun from the Coyotes; and Meier and Karlsson from the Sharks. Of course, Karlsson has to agree to trade, and I doubt he will.

Karlsson would put us in salary cap trouble for next season but let's face it, we won't keep all of PLD, Scheifele, Wheeler and Hellebuyck (as well as Meier if lucky enough to get him).

Ammunition to trade: Jets - Pionk, Stanley, Barron, Kulman, Gustafsson, Appleton, Schmidt; Prospects - Heinola, Lambert, McGroarty, Lucius, Tikkanen, Chibrikov and rights to Vesalainen and Rashnevsky; Draft picks - our 2024 1st (top 3 protected) and 2nd. Some combination of these!

Don't want to trade - Samberg, Perfetti and Solomonsson, as well as 2023 1st

- grahamzky


For awhile I thought the playoffs were a sure thing but now Idk, honestly though if Colorado wasn't decimated by so many injuries the Jets probably wouldn't of been sitting in 2nd place as long as they have. The one saving grace is as of now the rest of the conference still hasn't gotten their stuff togher but you can't rely on that

Seems very unlikely that either of Meier or Chycrun could be acquired without a 2023 1st going to SJ and Arizona.

I think Chevy should be seeing what the Yotes would want for Schmaltz, saying that I'm not sure this team is worth investing assets into.. lol
TheUltimateJet
Joined: 07.16.2013

Feb 20 @ 11:40 AM ET
For awhile I thought the playoffs were a sure thing but now Idk, honestly though if Colorado wasn't decimated by so many injuries the Jets probably wouldn't of been sitting in 2nd place as long as they have. The one saving grace is as of now the rest of the conference still hasn't gotten their stuff togher but you can't rely on that

Seems very unlikely that either of Meier or Chycrun could be acquired without a 2023 1st going to SJ and Arizona.

I think Chevy should be seeing what the Yotes would want for Schmaltz, saying that I'm not sure this team is worth investing assets into.. lol

- JetFuel


If Chevy acquired one of those guys he would be picking after #20, and it’s well known that he does not do well with picks after #20. It’s interesting that all Jets fans are concerned about draft.

No one is mentioning that since the 2017 draft, Jets draft picks in total have contributed a whopping 19 goals (including 2017 draft picks). 10 coming from Perfetti alone.
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