If the Flyers had a real GM here, Hayes, DeAngelo and JVR would be moved for picks at this deadline, and then Attard, Foerster and Lyksell would be moved up to fill their spots the rest of the season to continue their development and evaluation. The team would then lose more games and better their chances to pick higher in this draft and get a game changer. Its really a no-brainer for anyone who cares about the team more than themselves!
- jd250

Have you seen Attard play this season?

If Fletcher has even a little humility, he would admit that trading for DeAngelo has not worked out, as was the case with resigning Risto, and would trade DeAngelo at the deadline. His salary is reasonable for a defenseman with 30 points already and teams do like to trade for a player with some term so he's more than just a rental. However I have ZERO confidence that Fletcher will ever do what is best for this team long term, but only what is best for him keeping his job!
- jd250

You seem to have this irrational belief that teams are going to be willing to take on term at the trade deadline. It's not likely with the current cap situation. Teams will make hockey trades and trade contract for contract. That is more likely.

If the Flyers had a real GM here, Hayes, DeAngelo and JVR would be moved for picks at this deadline, and then Attard, Foerster and Lyksell would be moved up to fill their spots the rest of the season to continue their development and evaluation. The team would then lose more games and better their chances to pick higher in this draft and get a game changer. Its really a no-brainer for anyone who cares about the team more than themselves!
- jd250

If pixie dust, unicorns, fairy princesses, bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster were real.

I don't know, a contender with a solid set of defenseman that is looking for a boost on their PP would like DeAngelo for the stretch run, because they might be able to shelter him better 5 v 5.
- jd250

If he was on an expiring contract, maybe.

To me it all comes down to the same problem with the Flyers, what is the plan!?! Are we going for it or are we re-building. The Flyers continue to straddle the fence season after season, and that is why they are where they are. If the Flyers don't accept a rebuild is needed, from Dave Scott downward, they will continue to be a middling team that is never going to get the talent needed to be a true contender in this league. Its a the worst place to be as a franchise, and I really don't understand why the Flyers brass possibly does not see this.
- jd250

What about the season where you stated that Fletcher's moves put the team on the path to the cup? We're they straddling the fence then?

If Fletcher has even a little humility, he would admit that trading for DeAngelo has not worked out, as was the case with resigning Risto, and would trade DeAngelo at the deadline. His salary is reasonable for a defenseman with 30 points already and teams do like to trade for a player with some term so he's more than just a rental. However I have ZERO confidence that Fletcher will ever do what is best for this team long term, but only what is best for him keeping his job!
- jd250

Klingberg, Ghost, Shattenkirk and Gus are all impending UFAs.

And then you have Karlsson, who's absolutely dominating right now. Sharks are supposedly willing to eat a lot of salary to sell high on him. He's a proven PO performer, respected veteran leader, etc.

I don't think there's gonna be that much interest in TDA with a year left.

You seem to have this irrational belief that teams are going to be willing to take on term at the trade deadline. It's not likely with the current cap situation. Teams will make hockey trades and trade contract for contract. That is more likely.
- MJL

Some of what he says is true, Hayes at 50%, for 3 years is decent value. He misses FIT, all teams are challenged CAP wise and prefer young players, contending teams need to see Hayes as the piece. Last but probably most important is position, all teams will see it as a dump and leverage CF in trade negotiations, just how business works. The Flyers need a team who thinks they have a shot, to have the right injury and situation, then maybe you can move Hayes, hold 1/2 and not add a sweetener. Now if has goes on a tear, that could change things somewhat. I personally believe we will see tighter hockey after the ASG, points will be tougher to get and points is what Hayes offers.

Klingberg, Ghost, Shattenkirk and Gus are all impending UFAs.

And then you have Karlsson, who's absolutely dominating right now. Sharks are supposedly willing to eat a lot of salary to sell high on him. He's a proven PO performer, respected veteran leader, etc.

I don't think there's gonna be that much interest in TDA with a year left.
- Tomahawk

None of that matters on Treasure Island

Some of what he says is true, Hayes at 50%, for 3 years is decent value. He misses FIT, all teams are challenged CAP wise and prefer young players, contending teams need to see Hayes as the piece. Last but probably most important is position, all teams will see it as a dump and leverage CF in trade negotiations, just how business works. The Flyers need a team who thinks they have a shot, to have the right injury and situation, then maybe you can move Hayes, hold 1/2 and not add a sweetener. Now if has goes on a tear, that could change things somewhat. I personally believe we will see tighter hockey after the ASG, points will be tougher to get and points is what Hayes offers.
- wcorvette

If I was the GM of a contending team, I wouldn't have interest in Hayes for 3 more years at 50%. If I was a non-contender, in order for me to agree to take Hayes, I'd want quality assets to do it.

What about the season where you stated that Fletcher's moves put the team on the path to the cup? We're they straddling the fence then?
- MJL

Well clearly he was wrong and admitted as such numerous times Cliff. Yet everyday you rehash it.

hayes to bos - flyers retain 50% - done deal jd250^5
- corduroy

I think Boston will be interested in Hayes in the off-season, its already been reported by a few local Boston media. Boston will need help at center after this season, though I think their first choice will be Horvat if he does not sign with the Islanders.

Klingberg, Ghost, Shattenkirk and Gus are all impending UFAs.

And then you have Karlsson, who's absolutely dominating right now. Sharks are supposedly willing to eat a lot of salary to sell high on him. He's a proven PO performer, respected veteran leader, etc.

I don't think there's gonna be that much interest in TDA with a year left.
- Tomahawk

Does a team look at his play last year and think they can provide shelter for him in a 3rd pair role while having him help offensively? Possibly. Not likely to be moved just not impossible.

Flyers probably don't want to trade him anyway.

Some of what he says is true, Hayes at 50%, for 3 years is decent value. He misses FIT, all teams are challenged CAP wise and prefer young players, contending teams need to see Hayes as the piece. Last but probably most important is position, all teams will see it as a dump and leverage CF in trade negotiations, just how business works. The Flyers need a team who thinks they have a shot, to have the right injury and situation, then maybe you can move Hayes, hold 1/2 and not add a sweetener. Now if has goes on a tear, that could change things somewhat. I personally believe we will see tighter hockey after the ASG, points will be tougher to get and points is what Hayes offers.
- wcorvette

There is no way I add anything to move him unless 6th or 7th rd pick. Otherwise you keep him. Not like he is some slug who cant play.

Have you seen Attard play this season?
- hello it's me 2050

I have not watched the Phantoms this year, not sure how I can watch them actually, but from what I have read about him, he is doing OK so far. I would rather develop Attard under Torts and Shaw than under Lappy.

What about the season where you stated that Fletcher's moves put the team on the path to the cup? We're they straddling the fence then?
- MJL

No, that off-season they were going for it. However that was the outlier.

I think Boston will be interested in Hayes in the off-season, its already been reported by a few local Boston media. Boston will need help at center after this season, though I think their first choice will be Horvat if he does not sign with the Islanders.
- jd250

Boston will need to make some kind of move, or add a full season LTIR player, just to fit in Hayes. I doubt they're going to go through all of that and jump through those hoops to add a player like Hayes. If they have continued Cup aspirations, they will aim much higher than Hayes. Hayes is not the player you think he is. Even at 50% retained.

No, that off-season they were going for it. However that was the outlier.
- jd250

So, you're amending your previous post?

Considering IMO he was signed to replace what they lost when they traded Ghost, I also have to include the draft capital they traded with Ghost in to the equation.

Its insane.

Add it all up they traded Ghost, two 2nds, a 3rd, a 4th for Angelo. (they received a 7th that cancels out the 7th they traded with Ghost)
- MBFlyerfan

imo he wasn't signed to replace ghost. it was more due to ellis situation.

RR is a better dman than Tony D; on the defensive end. So that is the move he can make at this time. It isn't ideal.

Sanheim and RR is a better pair.
- hello it's me 2050

It is. However Ristolainen shouldn't be a top 4 guy nor should Sanheim be on the 3rd pair.

It's just what everyone has said: a horrible mix overall

I have not watched the Phantoms this year, not sure how I can watch them actually, but from what I have read about him, he is doing OK so far. I would rather develop Attard under Torts and Shaw than under Lappy.
- jd250

Attard is fine where he is at under Jason Smith.

It is. However Ristolainen shouldn't be a top 4 guy nor should Sanheim be on the 3rd pair.

It's just what everyone has said: a horrible mix overall
- Pelle31Forever

RR is better top 4 option than Tony D right now.

There is no way I add anything to move him unless 6th or 7th rd pick. Otherwise you keep him. Not like he is some slug who cant play.
- hello it's me 2050

correct, let it run its course

RR is better top 4 option than Tony D right now.
- hello it's me 2050

Tomato ToMAHto IMO.

correct, let it run its course
- wcorvette

I also do not think there is as big a "rift" with Hayes and torts that some like to think.

never thought of it this way, can Cates be like Coots? The draft pedigree aside, not the craziest thing I ever heard