This is why he’s the commish’

(The players don’t tank - but GM’s sure do)
- Chief4Feathers

The rest of the quote is missing...

"But I know how to fix them.....very well if I say so myself."

Post Bedard lottery
I am greedy and speed the other 20 seconds of each day thinking about the idea of finding a team willing of jumping out to add the Tampa Bay first round AND the second Blackhawk second round to a team that might actually be willing to trade out. That IS a big probably unattendable thought; this is NOT the same classes last year where two lesser light NHL teams were more than willing to grad DeBrincat, trade for Romanov seeing the acquisition of now players to help their 2022-23 and that adding two slots that were adding Nazar and Korchinski to a Blackhawk prospect pool.
BUT…there are two teams without second rounders Philadelphia and St. Louis in a good thick draft class.
I look at there teams on Tanakathon that are currently in the top ten, and I simple don’t see them trading out.
(Vancouver is talking a humble backstep with what they say is the need to find trades that bring back young already drafted prospects as maybe quicker depth fillers.)
I thought about how their scouting systems might like to add to top 40 selections in 2023, but, in my opinion, trading out of an ealy 2023 choice (after losing the lottery to get homeboy extraordinaire.) might not be the best public relation move with their fan base. (I don’t think the Hawk win shrunk their dislike for they organization moves of late)

So concentrating on the St. Louis and Philly.
Interesting on the TNT intermission team had Rick Tocchet saying St. Louis’ present defense needs a one more NHL solid defender add, but that he didn’t the Chicago franchise would EVER be able to talk trade withbtheir “rivals.” The thing both teams are in different places in their decisions for their futures, so to me, that negates rivalry in getting better.
The Blues might very well see the utility of two picks in the deep class, but again a stretch.
It helps when are able to see results with Jake Neighbors, a later first rounder, sorta like “we can do this.”

Now Philly is even tough to wade through the decisions as their coach and management team, because over the last decade, I could never figure out why they made choice they did.
To me, I am sure they are going to want to be specific in the type of attackers / defenders and a trade down would give them to solid prospects with the two hawk picks at TB (1) & Blackhawk (2).

As we all know most drafts are kids who ultimately have to work themselves to fine tuned athletes and jump onto the Autobahn called the NHL.

I think the Hawk strategy doesn’t necessary change much if the Bebard lottery win goes to another.
I just look the draft board everyday and although a less likely scenario (unlike the draft class of 2022) wouldn’t the hawks feather their nest if they could have a second “good pick” who shares the spotlight with that first forward they grab.
Because if you initial pick really doesn’t meet lofty expectations, you have the other to hang hopes on.
(This is not my pick just a possible post lotto scenario:
Let’s say the best available on Hawk board is Will Smith - in my opinion, I take linemate Ryan Leonard if I get a 9-11 extra pick. He scores and is a big thick load of man boy who has a high engine, scoring prowess, power, skill, 3 zone responsible, and a separation gear. (And he will be with Smith at Boston U. And maybe they stay together as line mates there after being the best junior line in USHL in 2023
Both will most probably be good pros if the continue to grow their games.

A pipe dream? Sure. Not as big as the one we desire in the Draft Lottery.

Ottawa is looking for a defender with term.

They have a 2023 & 2024 seconds, but no 3rd in either 2023 or 2024.

They do have two second rounders in 2024 (Washington)


What does Connor Murphy get us?

Again, I just I would make a lousy decision maker as a GM, because every time names like Domi, and Lafferty come up, I see serviceable next year and the year after helped to build a culture.

And the cloud in the silver lining is all these in place bottom six signees and acquisitions have gotten far more NHL experience than playing on lower levels in the AHL.
I think that can only improve their lot, as it is a rare opportunity to be on a team that keeps making space by high end forward subtractions.

Last one and it is a rant:

At this point< I LKE to hear YOUR opinion.

BUT...I cannot stand the intermission bobbleheads or the game announcers saying stupid things like last night when I heard, Well they could tarde Lafferty and THEN resign him.

We heard this here about the cat, Kane...come one, TV guys, post you imaginary scenarios on the inter web, b/c we don't want to hear MORE speculation.

Assuming Vancouver can't extend Kuzmenko, what will be their return for him at the trade deadline? Next question is what will he be making next season, and is it even possible for the Hawks to sign him this summer, assuming he's not a sign and trade at the deadline?

Ottawa is looking for a defender with term.

They have a 2023 & 2024 seconds, but no 3rd in either 2023 or 2024.

They do have two second rounders in 2024 (Washington)


What does Connor Murphy get us?

Again, I just I would make a lousy decision maker as a GM, because every time names like Domi, and Lafferty come up, I see serviceable next year and the year after helped to build a culture.

And the cloud in the silver lining is all these in place bottom six signees and acquisitions have gotten far more NHL experience than playing on lower levels in the AHL.
I think that can only improve their lot, as it is a rare opportunity to be on a team that keeps making space by high end forward subtractions.
- wiz1901

Murphy might get a 2nd, and maybe a prospect. Have to wonder if Murphy's 10 team no trade list includes the Canadian teams. Maybe Buffalo could be a trading partner. They have 3 2nds and a boatload of good prospects.

MY two cents on other Hawks trade values...
Domi retained top return - 2nd round pick
Lafferty top return - 3rd or 4th round pick
AA top return - 4th round pick
McCabe retained return - 2nd round pick + +. (Doubt if with retention he gets a 1st like some speculate.)
Kane and Toews do not waive.

Last one and it is a rant:

At this point< I LKE to hear YOUR opinion.

BUT...I cannot stand the intermission bobbleheads or the game announcers saying stupid things like last night when I heard, Well they could tarde Lafferty and THEN resign him.

We heard this here about the cat, Kane...come one, TV guys, post you imaginary scenarios on the inter web, b/c we don't want to hear MORE speculation.
- wiz1901

Lafferty is already signed through next year. If Domi traded is he may come back to Chicago if it's more than a one year deal. He may be tired of bouncing around and traded every deadline, Hawks may offer 1 x 3.5M, but maybe Domi asks for 2 or 3 at $3.25M

Murphy might get a 2nd, and maybe a prospect. Have to wonder if Murphy's 10 team no trade list includes the Canadian teams. Maybe Buffalo could be a trading partner. They have 3 2nds and a boatload of good prospects.

MY two cents on other Hawks trade values...
Domi retained top return - 2nd round pick
Lafferty top return - 3rd or 4th round pick
AA top return - 4th round pick
McCabe retained return - 2nd round pick + +. (Doubt if with retention he gets a 1st like some speculate.)
Kane and Toews do not waive.
- boilermaker100

Buffalo is my second team. If that plug Murphy goes there and ruins that team I will throw up. Please send Murphy to Nashville or St. Louis so he can anchor that defense to turnover after turnover for years. My only concern about losing Murphy is that it might cause the Hawks to win more games than they would if they kept him. Easily my least favorite Hawk since Carcillo. Him having the A makes me look like Gran Torino Clint Eastwood every game.

Ottawa is looking for a defender with term.

They have a 2023 & 2024 seconds, but no 3rd in either 2023 or 2024.

They do have two second rounders in 2024 (Washington)


What does Connor Murphy get us?

Again, I just I would make a lousy decision maker as a GM, because every time names like Domi, and Lafferty come up, I see serviceable next year and the year after helped to build a culture.

And the cloud in the silver lining is all these in place bottom six signees and acquisitions have gotten far more NHL experience than playing on lower levels in the AHL.
I think that can only improve their lot, as it is a rare opportunity to be on a team that keeps making space by high end forward subtractions.
- wiz1901

Depends how much pressure is on the team to make the playoffs? Murphy Entwistle for 2024 2nd and boucher

Ottawa is looking for a defender with term.

They have a 2023 & 2024 seconds, but no 3rd in either 2023 or 2024.

They do have two second rounders in 2024 (Washington)


What does Connor Murphy get us?

Again, I just I would make a lousy decision maker as a GM, because every time names like Domi, and Lafferty come up, I see serviceable next year and the year after helped to build a culture.

And the cloud in the silver lining is all these in place bottom six signees and acquisitions have gotten far more NHL experience than playing on lower levels in the AHL.
I think that can only improve their lot, as it is a rare opportunity to be on a team that keeps making space by high end forward subtractions.
- wiz1901

Forget Ottawa, they want a top end Dman that can anchor their defence for years to come. They aren't getting one at the deadline.

Might be better to take a look at all of the NHL contenders and see what the Hawks have that can patch some holes or provide some depth in the thin areas of those teams.

If you believe a team requires 9 Dmen in order to get thru 3 or 4 playoff rounds, then the Hawks have some good depth pieces to offer up. WHat are those teams willing to pay?

Murphy, McCabe and Tinordi - any of Edmonton, Toronto, Tampa, Calgary, Florida, Washington, Pittsburgh, Seattle.


Domi, Toews, Kane, Richardinson - Colorado, Carolina, Toronto, NYR, Dallas maybe even Boston

I hope KD isn't just thinking draft picks in return only - many of these contending teams have some good prospects already playing in their farm system. Hawks are badly in need of a few in their forward group.

Lafferty is already signed through next year. If Domi traded is he may come back to Chicago if it's more than a one year deal. He may be tired of bouncing around and traded every deadline, Hawks may offer 1 x 3.5M, but maybe Domi asks for 2 or 3 at $3.25M
- boilermaker100

Thank you hawk announcing team and intermission crew, lol.

[quote=RickJ

Might be better to take a look at all of the NHL contenders and see what the Hawks have that can patch some holes or provide some depth in the thin areas of those teams.

If you believe a team requires 9 Dmen in order to get thru 3 or 4 playoff rounds, then the Hawks have some good depth pieces to offer up. What are those teams willing to pay?

Murphy, McCabe and Tinordi - any of Edmonton, Toronto, Tampa, Calgary, Florida, Washington, Pittsburgh, Seattle.


Domi, Toews, Kane, Richardinson - Colorado, Carolina, Toronto, NYR, Dallas maybe even Boston

I hope KD isn't just thinking draft picks in return only - many of these contending teams have some good prospects already playing in their farm system. Hawks are badly in need of a few in their forward group.

Hmm, Haven't seen enough upward flight from the two from the Lightning, but we have LOTS of time for them too, as long as they are content with pay commensurate their team and individual success each year.

Do you think there is a team offering a Kirby Dach type who needs a new home, someone who isn't completely there and needs a change? I guess I don't.

I just wonder the way things are falling in place in Montreal with smart organization moves prospect picks, and IF they continue to fall into these good prospects with all their upcoming picks they look like they are in a right direction.
I am not sure we have seen anything in Chicago so far that assures the same type of future successes, but we will finally see a few newbies with some talent next season, eh?

Also thought this was interesting question answered based on status before the draft, as to where "Connor Bedard stands over the last twenty drafts?"
Craig Button ranked them:
1 Crosby
2 McDavid
3 BEDARD
4 Ovechkin
5 Stamkos
6 Matthews
7 Kane
8 McKinnon
9 Tavares
10Hughes
11LaFreniere
12Hall
13Dahlin
14Power
15Eckblad
16Hischier
17Nugent-Hopkins
18Slafkowsky
19E Johnson
20Yakupov

YOU THINK CRAIG HAS THE CAHONES to rank where Michkov would fall with these other number ones?

Also thought this was interesting question answered based on status before the draft, as to where "Connor Bedard stands over the last twenty drafts?"
Craig Button ranked them:
1 Crosby
2 McDavid
3 BEDARD
4 Ovechkin
5 Stamkos
6 Matthews
7 Kane
8 McKinnon
9 Tavares
10Hughes
11LaFreniere
12Hall
13Dahlin
14Power
15Eckblad
16Hischier
17Nugent-Hopkins
18Slafkowsky
19E Johnson
20Yakupov
- wiz1901

I haven't read exactly how the question was phrased to Button, but I would have asked him if all 20 these guys were in this year's draft, how would he rank them. My guess is he would pull McKinnon and Mathews ahead of Stamkos. And drop Lafreniere and Ekblad down to 16 or lower.

And would Bedard still be #3?

Hmm, Haven't seen enough upward flight from the two from the Lightning, but we have LOTS of time for them too, as long as they are content with pay commensurate their team and individual success each year.

Do you think there is a team offering a Kirby Dach type who needs a new home, someone who isn't completely there and needs a change? I guess I don't.

I just wonder the way things are falling in place in Montreal with smart organization moves prospect picks, and IF they continue to fall into these good prospects with all their upcoming picks they look like they are in a right direction.
I am not sure we have seen anything in Chicago so far that assures the same type of future successes, but we will finally see a few newbies with some talent next season, eh?
- wiz1901

The Habs are making some slow progress and started with their roster surgery well before the Hawks decided it was time for them to do that.

They got a little lucky too because the huge salaries of Carey Price and Shea Weber moved to LTIR permanently. And pretty soon they won't have the contracts of Drouin, Monahan and Hoffman to deal with. Wouldn't surprise me if they offloaded Josh Anderson's deal too. That leaves a lot of cap space and open spots to fill with their own developing prospects and maybe a shrewd free agent signing to come.

And if you really like Suzuki and Dach tandem as their 1-2C for a bunch of years, they are dirt cheap for $11M/year total combined.
Smart trades - Suzuki for Pacioretty and they basically traded Dman Romanov to NYI for Frank Nazar and flipped him to the Hawks for Dach. Genius move if it works out.

Also thought this was interesting question answered based on status before the draft, as to where "Connor Bedard stands over the last twenty drafts?"
Craig Button ranked them:
1 Crosby
2 McDavid
3 BEDARD
4 Ovechkin
5 Stamkos
6 Matthews
7 Kane
8 McKinnon
9 Tavares
10Hughes
11LaFreniere
12Hall
13Dahlin
14Power
15Eckblad
16Hischier
17Nugent-Hopkins
18Slafkowsky
19E Johnson
20Yakupov

YOU THINK CRAIG HAS THE CAHONES to rank where Michkov would fall with these other number ones?
- wiz1901

These rankings don't make any sense to me since there's so much revisionist history involved here. Of course Yakupov, Johnson, Slafkowsky, and RNH are at the bottom of this list - it's because they've been the least successful in the league relative to their peers ranked higher.

If anyone remembers the 'Fail for Nail' movement, Yakupov was hyped as the second coming of Ovie. Can't miss prospect. It was a great year to end up with the #1 overall pick. He was - without a doubt - coming into the draft ranked higher than the likes of Rasmus Dahlin, Owen Power, and Taylor Hall in their respective years.... it's just that he flamed out harder than them so he's ranked towards the bottom.

5 years from now if Bedard hasn't turned out to be the player everyone's expecting he'll probably be ranked 15-20 on this list too.

Hmm, Haven't seen enough upward flight from the two from the Lightning, but we have LOTS of time for them too, as long as they are content with pay commensurate their team and individual success each year.

Do you think there is a team offering a Kirby Dach type who needs a new home, someone who isn't completely there and needs a change? I guess I don't.

I just wonder the way things are falling in place in Montreal with smart organization moves prospect picks, and IF they continue to fall into these good prospects with all their upcoming picks they look like they are in a right direction.
I am not sure we have seen anything in Chicago so far that assures the same type of future successes, but we will finally see a few newbies with some talent next season, eh?
- wiz1901

Maybe Byfield in LA? Still only 20 and has less than a full year of experience GP-wise. Then there are the two kids with the NYR.

Ottawa is looking for a defender with term.

They have a 2023 & 2024 seconds, but no 3rd in either 2023 or 2024.

They do have two second rounders in 2024 (Washington)


What does Connor Murphy get us?

Again, I just I would make a lousy decision maker as a GM, because every time names like Domi, and Lafferty come up, I see serviceable next year and the year after helped to build a culture.

And the cloud in the silver lining is all these in place bottom six signees and acquisitions have gotten far more NHL experience than playing on lower levels in the AHL.
I think that can only improve their lot, as it is a rare opportunity to be on a team that keeps making space by high end forward subtractions.
- wiz1901

Murphy for DeBrincat and a 2nd

The Habs are making some slow progress and started with their roster surgery well before the Hawks decided it was time for them to do that.

They got a little lucky too because the huge salaries of Carey Price and Shea Weber moved to LTIR permanently. And pretty soon they won't have the contracts of Drouin, Monahan and Hoffman to deal with. Wouldn't surprise me if they offloaded Josh Anderson's deal too. That leaves a lot of cap space and open spots to fill with their own developing prospects and maybe a shrewd free agent signing to come.

And if you really like Suzuki and Dach tandem as their 1-2C for a bunch of years, they are dirt cheap for $11M/year total combined.
Smart trades - Suzuki for Pacioretty and they basically traded Dman Romanov to NYI for Frank Nazar and flipped him to the Hawks for Dach. Genius move if it works out.
- RickJ

Any move by a GM without the initial KD is genius. KD failed on the 40 game rebuild plan.

Assuming Vancouver can't extend Kuzmenko, what will be their return for him at the trade deadline? Next question is what will he be making next season, and is it even possible for the Hawks to sign him this summer, assuming he's not a sign and trade at the deadline?
- 333inthe3rd

I think they make one more solid offer tother captain and hope he stays under Tocchet.

They will extend the Russian, and they very fact he doesn't block shots check or score from anywhere except the home plate area, I just wonder how much you pay him and why you tell bo to tell his story walking....

Murphy for DeBrincat and a 2nd
- DarthKane

Well that is the thing.

If you win the lottery you are looking to place competitive attackers and other assets AROUND Bebard so he isn't steamrolled to oblivion as a one man revival show.

These rankings don't make any sense to me since there's so much revisionist history involved here.
5 years from now if Bedard hasn't turned out to be the player everyone's expecting he'll probably be ranked 15-20 on this list too.
- TommyHawk

In first five years, Bedard will have 140 goals and major assist totals.

Take it to the bank

In first five years, Bedard will have 140 goals and major assist totals.

Take it to the bank
- wiz1901

and you know, there are cities where he already will have complimentary players that make his rookie season easier, like

Columbus
Anaheim
Vancouver
Montreal
Ottawa

and you know, there are cities where he already will have complimentary players that make his rookie season easier, like

Columbus
Anaheim
Vancouver
Montreal
Ottawa
- wiz1901

But the league needs a strong Chicago team! At least that is what some on this BOD say.

Totally agree. The B's broadcast is the worst display of homerism out there.

Foley in his heyday (mostly with Tallon) was fantastic, but I found the latter years with Enzo mostly unlistenable.
- HawkintheD

I catch this new guy getting stared down by either Murray or SHarp a few times when he just rambles on about nothing.....just incoherent $hit for the entire telecast. I get the team sucks, and you need some happy go lucky puppet in the booth, but FFS find somebody who knows something and can-do teaching moments, etc. Instead, it's like a watching some college freshman announce games because he "thinks" he wants to be a broadcaster.

100% agreed.....Original Foley >>>> McDnough led Foley. Just like I LOVED NBC national Eddie O >>>>> slap happy Eddie O for comcast Chicago.