Here's a good one from Duffer on Sabres live today.

From the day Vic broke his 31-game goalless streak last year all the way through last night was exactly 82-games for Vic.

He has 38 goals in that span
He has 11 GWG in that span (4th in the NHL)

For $5 million that's a helluva deal

I agree with this. Kyle Okposo contract is a great example

Skinner is still racking up points
- Sabretooth9

Okposo's contract is not a cautionary tale about paying the middle tier of players. Okposo got the contract that 25 year old Okposo should have gotten. You don't pay big money to guys that are about to turn 30.

Skinner's contract is an example of paying a good-but-flawed player as if he was a star.

So 8 players are the upper class (I am including Tuch here ). On any given game day that means that you're having 10 skaters on the ice making 1 - 2 million per. You don't see a problem there? You're having two whole forward lines and half your D making peanuts.

How is that going to go for us on the road when the other team has the last change? We saw this movie when the injuries hit a couple of months ago. We got murdered when our stars weren't on the ice.
- Slump Buster

No not really.

Okposo's contract is not a cautionary tale about paying the middle tier of players. Okposo got the contract that 25 year old Okposo should have gotten. You don't pay big money to guys that are about to turn 30.

Skinner's contract is an example of paying a good-but-flawed player as if he was a star.
- Slump Buster

How about Girgensons? You can find 100 players in the league making 500k-1mil less that provide the same value or greater than he does

Vinny Hinostroza was an awful, awful 1.7 mil investment. You can find guys on 2-way deals to score 0 goals

Those small overpayments add up to a high end player throughout the roster

No not really.
- sbroads24

I'll play the same card that people (poorly) played earlier. Look at Colorado's roster. Do cup-winning teams have 8 stars and then a bunch of journeyman and rookies? No.

https://boardroom.tv/colo...-contracts-salaries-2022/

No middle class means no Compher, Toews, Nichuskin, etc.

How about Girgensons? You can find 100 players in the league making 500k-1mil less that provide the same value or greater than he does

Vinny Hinostroza was an awful, awful 1.7 mil investment. You can find guys on 2-way deals to score 0 goals

Those small overpayments add up to a high end player throughout the roster
- sbroads24

This while trying to get to the cap floor.

The small overpayments were necessary in the offseason and are a non-issue right now. I doubt this happens going forward.

Talking about hockey on a hockey blog?

*yawn*

Losers!

How about Girgensons? You can find 100 players in the league making 500k-1mil less that provide the same value or greater than he does

Vinny Hinostroza was an awful, awful 1.7 mil investment. You can find guys on 2-way deals to score 0 goals

Those small overpayments add up to a high end player throughout the roster
- sbroads24

The post Drury/Briere era was loaded with middle class contracts. They could never be in on any big contracts because they didn't have cap space for them even if they wanted them.

Okposo's contract is not a cautionary tale about paying the middle tier of players. Okposo got the contract that 25 year old Okposo should have gotten. You don't pay big money to guys that are about to turn 30.

Skinner's contract is an example of paying a good-but-flawed player as if he was a star.
- Slump Buster

Okposo was 28. Long term deals on UFA's rarely work out and he's a great example.

How about Girgensons? You can find 100 players in the league making 500k-1mil less that provide the same value or greater than he does

Vinny Hinostroza was an awful, awful 1.7 mil investment. You can find guys on 2-way deals to score 0 goals

Those small overpayments add up to a high end player throughout the roster
- sbroads24

Not sure what your point is. If half of your roster is being made peanuts then you're going to be constantly recycling the same guys that you mention. Yeah, you can absolutely find guys doing what they do for less money. So what? We are trying to win a cup, not just have enough bodies.

I'll play the same card that people (poorly) played earlier. Look at Colorado's roster. Do cup-winning teams have 8 stars and then a bunch of journeyman and rookies? No.

https://boardroom.tv/colo...-contracts-salaries-2022/

No middle class means no Compher, Toews, Nichuskin, etc.
- Slump Buster

Of course there’s going to be a few on each team.

My point was we already have them.

And just take a gander around the league, especially bad teams. They’re riddled with average players making 3-6 mil


Find me the bad team that has too many stars.

Talking about hockey on a hockey blog?

*yawn*

Losers!
- BeadyEyedDouche

Was Fitz permabanned? I think he should be let back in. Place isn't the same without him. Some of your and The Hank's finest work were at his expense.

Not sure what your point is. If half of your roster is being made peanuts then you're going to be constantly recycling the same guys that you mention. Yeah, you can absolutely find guys doing what they do for less money. So what? We are trying to win a cup, not just have enough bodies.
- Slump Buster

Star players win you the cup. Get as many of those as possible

Here's a good one from Duffer on Sabres live today.

From the day Vic broke his 31-game goalless streak last year all the way through last night was exactly 82-games for Vic.

He has 38 goals in that span
He has 11 GWG in that span (4th in the NHL)

For $5 million that's a helluva deal
- lacaprup

Funny to he's scored like 27 of those goals in like a 34gm span over the last year

Was Fitz permabanned? I think he should be let back in. Place isn't the same without him. Some of your and The Hank's finest work were at his expense.
- Hatboro_Swords

Did you see the thread when he was booted?

Mich... I mean Beady went to the Leafs mods cause Stripes took a sick day


Probably the biggest kick I've gotten outta this blog

Of course there’s going to be a few on each team.

My point was we already have them.

And just take a gander around the league, especially bad teams. They’re riddled with average players making 3-6 mil


Find me the bad team that has too many stars.
- sbroads24

Well, no - in your team they are gone. There are no players making 3 - 5 mill if you are splitting 25 mill over 15 players.

Well, no - in your team they are gone. There are no players making 3 - 5 mill if you are splitting 25 mill over 15 players.
- Slump Buster

So then why exactly would Tuch be in the star class but Devon Toews isn’t in your example? You’re just fudging numbers now to fit your point

Star players win you the cup. Get as many of those as possible
- sbroads24

Tampa had all of the same star players last year and didn't win. They didn't win because they had to replace the bottom half of their roster. Their bottom half couldn't match Colorado's bottom half. Tampa drafted well and had a killer bottom-half of their roster. They were able to keep them for as long as they did because they had flexibility. Same as Colorado.

So then why exactly would Tuch be in the star class but Devon Toews isn’t in your example? You’re just fudging numbers now to fit your point
- sbroads24

Fair point - he makes more than Toews but not significantly more. The bigger point doesn't change - even if you call him middle class half of your forwards and half of your D are making 1 - 2 mill. You aren't winning a cup that way.

Funny to he's scored like 27 of those goals in like a 34gm span over the last year
- Buff36

Working really hard to paint over, or just avoid, the bad periods. Will turn 29 when his deal ends. Bet there's great discussions over what to do with him in their offices.

How does an aging curve apply to a guy with that skillset?

Tampa had all of the same star players last year and didn't win. They didn't win because they had to replace the bottom half of their roster. Their bottom half couldn't match Colorado's bottom half. Tampa drafted well and had a killer bottom-half of their roster. They were able to keep them for as long as they did because they had flexibility. Same as Colorado.
- Slump Buster

lol. They lost because Colorado was the better team. Plain and simple. It had nothing to do with bottom halfs of rosters that play barely any minutes in the postseason.

Tampa was exhausted from three years of deep playoff runs back to back to back

They didn’t have the extra gear.

They also had Brayden Point get hurt. You know, a star

Tampa had all of the same star players last year and didn't win. They didn't win because they had to replace the bottom half of their roster. Their bottom half couldn't match Colorado's bottom half. Tampa drafted well and had a killer bottom-half of their roster. They were able to keep them for as long as they did because they had flexibility. Same as Colorado.
- Slump Buster

they lost in the finals


tampa still had the 7th best record last year and came off of winning 2 cups

let's not act like they snuck in as the 8th seed and got bounced in 4 games

lol. They lost because Colorado was the better team. Plain and simple. It had nothing to do with bottom halfs of rosters that play barely any minutes in the postseason.

Tampa was exhausted from three years of deep playoff runs back to back to back

They didn’t have the extra gear.

They also had Brayden Point get hurt. You know, a star
- sbroads24

Cirelli was playing with 1 arm at the end as well

Working really hard to paint over, or just avoid, the bad periods. Will turn 29 when his deal ends. Bet there's great discussions over what to do with him in their offices.

How does an aging curve apply to a guy with that skillset?
- Lunaion

Hopefully not a 5yr 6 or 7m contract extension being discussed. Why build through the draft then.

they lost in the finals


tampa still had the 7th best record last year and came off of winning 2 cups

let's not act like they snuck in as the 8th seed and got bounced in 4 games
- homiedclown

Lets not act like they didn't play the most games in the last 2-3 years prior either. That team was gassed the whole playoffs