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Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jan 26 @ 11:50 AM ET
Good question.

Obviously the Sabres have (2) 1OA's so their divison of salary would be different then most nhl teams.

I'd say 8% goalie = 7.2 million
28% defenseman = 25.2 million
66% forward = 59.4 million

Just rough numbers, but dahlin at 10 million , sam at 4.5 and power at 6 million (based on dahlins bridge deal)
So were at 20 or 21 with the big 3

I'm not sure I would feel comfortable adding a connor Murphy at 4 or 5 million.
Need to pay guys 5,6 and 7

Just rough #'s. Need those entry level deals almost at every position

- Boss34


How much would you spend on 4th line forwards? Bit of a joke, but there's a serious side there too. Bottom 6 wingers currently make more than the top 6. That's not sustainable.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jan 26 @ 11:56 AM ET
Good question.

Obviously the Sabres have (2) 1OA's so their divison of salary would be different then most nhl teams.

I'd say 8% goalie = 7.2 million
28% defenseman = 25.2 million
66% forward = 59.4 million

Just rough numbers, but dahlin at 10 million , sam at 4.5 and power at 6 million (based on dahlins bridge deal)
So were at 20 or 21 with the big 3

I'm not sure I would feel comfortable adding a connor Murphy at 4 or 5 million.
Need to pay guys 5,6 and 7

Just rough #'s. Need those entry level deals almost at every position

- Boss34

Nice Break down. But what if you have a young team and are only spending 40m on your Forward Positions. This year the Sabres only spent 36m on there forwards and even with Tage's extension kicking in they are at 30m next year. Sabres can afford to supplement money from there forwards Caufer and help there D out for a bit for a few years with the ELC that will be here.
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Jan 26 @ 12:07 PM ET
But getting him here for a Rochester Playoff Run would help get that process started.
- Buff36


Not gonna happen... Just like Portillo, they are going to be UFA.. I would package them with other to get what we need.


SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jan 26 @ 12:09 PM ET
You aren't getting Schenn for a 4th
- Buff36

a decent defenseman with a dirt cheap contract.. yeah you aren't getting him for a 4th.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jan 26 @ 12:10 PM ET
Not gonna happen... Just like Portillo, they are going to be UFA.. I would package them with other to get what we need.
- hehateme

portillos value is basically going to be the compensation pick the team gets for him when he walks.
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jan 26 @ 12:10 PM ET
I would not count on Johnson Signing with the Sabres at all. he is so close to UFA status why sign a rookie deal now?

If he wanted to play for the Sabres he could of for the last 4 years. He is not signing in Buffalo...

- hehateme


There a number of reasons as to why he may have chosen to not sign before - they are probably irrelevant now. Why sign? Because he fits a position of need for a young and fun team that is just starting to break out. In terms of opportunity I can't imagine the grass being a lot greener in other areas. And unlike Portillo, he really isn't blocked here.

Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jan 26 @ 12:12 PM ET
a decent defenseman with a dirt cheap contract.. yeah you aren't getting him for a 4th.
- SabresFaninIndiana


I suspect that is what will differentiate him from a guy like Connor Murphy. Any team in the league can fit Schenn into their cap so his value will be higher than maybe it otherwise would be.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jan 26 @ 12:16 PM ET
How much would you spend on 4th line forwards? Bit of a joke, but there's a serious side there too. Bottom 6 wingers currently make more than the top 6. That's not sustainable.
- Lunaion


So if we use $90m and spread it as
G = $7m
D = $27m
F = $56m
As a rough starting position for a generic group, then perhaps F's would be distributed as
-L1 = $23m
-L2 = $17m
-L3 = $ 9m
-L4 = $ 6m
-13th = $1m

D pairings
-1st = $15m
-2nd = $ 9m
-3rd = $ 3m

G
-Starter = $5m
-Backup = $2m

Obviously, those are very fluid depending on what contracts they have committed to.
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jan 26 @ 12:21 PM ET
So if we use $90m and spread it as
G = $7m
D = $27m
F = $56m
As a rough starting position for a generic group, then perhaps F's would be distributed as
-L1 = $23m
-L2 = $17m
-L3 = $ 9m
-L4 = $ 6m
-13th = $1m

D pairings
-1st = $15m
-2nd = $ 9m
-3rd = $ 3m

G
-Starter = $5m
-Backup = $2m

Obviously, those are very fluid depending on what contracts they have committed to.

- IonSabres

At this point and probably a few years out the Sabres won't even be spending close to that on forwards. They can afford to throw a extra 5m or so into there D if they choose. Sh!t they could bring in Timo and still not be there.
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Jan 26 @ 12:24 PM ET
There a number of reasons as to why he may have chosen to not sign before - they are probably irrelevant now. Why sign? Because he fits a position of need for a young and fun team that is just starting to break out. In terms of opportunity I can't imagine the grass being a lot greener in other areas. And unlike Portillo, he really isn't blocked here.
- Slump Buster


It make no sense for Johnson to sign with the Sabres now that he is months away from being a UFA, he will have is pick of teams he can go to.

I highly doubt he signs here..
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:32 PM ET
a decent defenseman with a dirt cheap contract.. yeah you aren't getting him for a 4th.
- SabresFaninIndiana


Debatable how decent Schenn is or is not...
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jan 26 @ 12:35 PM ET
portillos value is basically going to be the compensation pick the team gets for him when he walks.
- SabresFaninIndiana


There's pick compensation if a 3rd round pick elects free agency over signing with the team that drafted him?
lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Jan 26 @ 12:36 PM ET
Oh god. Comrie in the starter's net at morning skate.

Someone post a Nancy Kerigan "Why?" Gif
Hatboro_Swords
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Next year is gonna be 05/06 all over again, PA
Joined: 07.30.2010

Jan 26 @ 12:37 PM ET
Big game tonight. Why is it a big game? Because it's the next game. Gonna have to solve Hellebuyck. Daily FO has him as confirmed starter.

We're gonna win that cup Paul. It's not as easy being the #1 as I make it look. Nobody knows Buffalo Sports History better than the 3ER. Well, maybe Schopp.

lacaprup
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.23.2006

Jan 26 @ 12:38 PM ET
Big game tonight. Why is it a big game? Because it's the next game. Gonna have to solve Hellebuyck. Daily FO has him as confirmed starter.

We're gonna win that cup Paul. It's not as easy being the #1 as I make it look. Nobody knows Buffalo Sports History better than the 3ER. Well, maybe Schopp.


- Hatboro_Swords


#2, don't sully yourself with Schopp
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jan 26 @ 12:38 PM ET
At this point and probably a few years out the Sabres won't even be spending close to that on forwards. They can afford to throw a extra 5m or so into there D if they choose. Sh!t they could bring in Timo and still not be there.
- Buff36


Absolutely.
The specifics of the Sabres will be radically different from what I outlined for a Generic roster.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Jan 26 @ 12:44 PM ET
Oh god. Comrie in the starter's net at morning skate.

Someone post a Nancy Kerigan "Why?" Gif

- lacaprup

if/when you play him again

may as well be against his former team
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jan 26 @ 12:45 PM ET
Absolutely.
The specifics of the Sabres will be radically different from what I outlined for a Generic roster.

- IonSabres

That's the nice thing Adams has to work with over the next 3 or 4yrs. He can make adjustments where needed. But will he choose to do that.
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jan 26 @ 12:50 PM ET
There's pick compensation if a 3rd round pick elects free agency over signing with the team that drafted him?
- kingcong39

no you are right.. i was thinking of johnson.. we dont' get poop for him therefore his value is almost as good as boss34 being involved in a trade
Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jan 26 @ 12:53 PM ET
It make no sense for Johnson to sign with the Sabres now that he is months away from being a UFA, he will have is pick of teams he can go to.

I highly doubt he signs here..

- hehateme


If he signs here he plays immediately and he can pretty much assume a spot on a roster next year (if not sooner). He could go to Roch and get a nice long playoff run (hopefully). He would also be part of a very young group. Sure, he could go anywhere and wait until next season to get going.

If memory serves me there were rumors that he had ties to another organization out west.


Slump Buster
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I root for draft picks but not the team, apparently, NY
Joined: 10.24.2006

Jan 26 @ 12:55 PM ET
Oh god. Comrie in the starter's net at morning skate.

Someone post a Nancy Kerigan "Why?" Gif

- lacaprup


I am normally the person that jumps on other people for saying "player x better produce right away, or else". But in this case it might be true. If he doesn't come out of the gate crushing it this week they could very well decide to put him on a shelf until next year or if there is an injury.
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jan 26 @ 12:56 PM ET
a decent defenseman with a dirt cheap contract.. yeah you aren't getting him for a 4th.
- SabresFaninIndiana

it's basically a 6th
SabresFaninIndiana
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Bananaville, IN
Joined: 12.16.2009

Jan 26 @ 12:57 PM ET
If he signs here he plays immediately and he can pretty much assume a spot on a roster next year (if not sooner). He could go to Roch and get a nice long playoff run (hopefully). He would also be part of a very young group. Sure, he could go anywhere and wait until next season to get going.

If memory serves me there were rumors that he had ties to another organization out west.

- Slump Buster

his dad is a coach in the Anaheim system i believe
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 26 @ 12:59 PM ET
Debatable how decent Schenn is or is not...
- kingcong39


Schenn = alltime nhl hits leader

Correct?
hehateme
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 04.11.2017

Jan 26 @ 1:11 PM ET
Oh god. Comrie in the starter's net at morning skate.

Someone post a Nancy Kerigan "Why?" Gif

- lacaprup


Old team, I figured he would get this start.


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