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Zach Jarom
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.01.2019

Nov 29 @ 9:06 PM ET
Zach Jarom: Game Preview: Hawks vs Oilers Plus Other Notes
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Nov 29 @ 10:00 PM ET
A day early but FIRST

I am already exhausted from watching these prospects, and the thing is I like the class.
You won't see me doing any articles anywhere, but my blowharting here...but along that thought line...I saw a Daily Face-off article about teh USA prospects by a Steve Ellis...I used the site for fantasy but didn't even know it was more than that.

So I figure this guy must have a good opinion and I wanna read it...until I read him saying this:" It’s not the strongest class we’ve seen, but it’s a solid one, and one with more than a handful of quality future NHLers."

I should have stopped reading after I quickly noticed he was going to write about the guys basically in the top end of the draft of the USA graduates in this draft.
No mention of defenders Paul Fischer (River Forest Illinois), Drew Fortescue, Zeev Buium, Brady Cleveland, or forwards Will Vote, Ryan Fine.

This US program has proven long term that is graduates solid smart quick minded hockey players, who no matter if they become stars CAN be taken mid draft and late and play in the NHL. Maybe not the best example is the Blackhawks Vlasic except he was taken in the second. The program has a good track record so a kid is there late on his way to college to take chance.

But I do want to go back to the not the strongest class we’ve seen, but it’s a solid one" statement.
I constantly rearrange the prospects; I guess I am fickle, as I like a guy and then the live disappears as did his ferocity, pace and impact the next views, and he gets replaced by a new kid who I am mentally building into my next could be one."

So I try and work the entire 7 rounds I have there another 75 in the database right now you are not seeing in the top 224.
Today I only go to almost my top 100 in a rearrange. Sure, that is "only three rounds", but they all are guys that I think can play, and they shift up and down in my ranks but they are players.And I see them as really finely skilled ones...who with time can be players. Now in 8 years, if you wanna post here I had it wrong, well at 80, I probably will take your criticism better than an enema, so have at me.

This is a good class.

No matter if the Lightning keep pulling victories out of their butts, that second first rounder now at 22 overall is going to be a GOOD prospect too, one better than the likes of any and all of the second first rounders we have had through the last decade.

Team building is going to be about feet and hands and on ice results, so I keep "what if ing" about the players who WILL actually be around in the last first early and late second, let alone any additional ones they acquire.

Re: Matvei Michkov
More and more you arguing to see him drifting to the lower spots in the top ten.
That has nothing to do with his draft rank. He is clearly better than the everyone but Bedard. But the uncertainty involved will cause everyone who mocks to drop him.
So did I
I moved him to slot three.
Michkov is better by far skill wise than Adam Fantilli.
https://www.tankathon.com/nhl/mock_draft
But you may not get as many set-ups and finished from Fantilli but you get a big smart playmaker scorer who doesn't back off from anybody. And teams love that but I am not sure Fantilli fits the unicorn status of a Tkachuk.
Don't think there isn't a lot I personally like about a fantilli selection, but...
Are the Hawks going to need a Michkov in two years, three years? four?


I am not gonna just assume Conner Bedard drops in our laps but if does, or Fantilli is gone when the Hawks come to the mike, I see more than one player who WILL be on the board that wuilladd the same type "won't back off forward" available with Tampa pick or any possible add-on first rounder.

There is so many spirited skilled forwards and it make take a little luck but it is easy for me to make the case that we harvest more than Medicare with those first picks.

The who stays and who gets traded to playoff teams / and for what is a lot more to speculate about, but I think after the gold dust twins decide, I got think that they will try and re-up and keep Domi for the time being, one year deal like Athanasiou, who is their type pace player, but I think they will be more readily willinging to take whatever they are offered in the form of a pick.

Ok that was quite enough time off; You all know I have a strong first round up for 2024 and 2025 is coming along...but maybe you rest and spend time on this 2023:
https://www.lines.com/nhl/drafts/2023

(note: It is all revised now, Thursday, 12/01/2022)
Zach Jarom
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.01.2019

Nov 29 @ 10:10 PM ET
A day early but FIRST
- wiz1901


Yeah a little early but I have been super swamped with my day job and didnt want to post it too close to game time tomorrow.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Nov 29 @ 11:05 PM ET
Yeah a little early but I have been super swamped with my day job and didnt want to post it too close to game time tomorrow.
- Zach Jarom



When you are busy, PM me and I can always be long winded. (see above.)
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Nov 29 @ 11:18 PM ET
Hawks place Jakub Pour on unconditional waivers for purpose of releasing him. He was the undrafted Euro free agent signed a couple of years ago. Been underwhelming at Indy this year so no big loss. Hawks down to 44 contracts. Maybe KD clearing the decks to take on a contract dump or additional bodies in trades.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 30 @ 9:39 AM ET
Hawks place Jakub Pour on unconditional waivers for purpose of releasing him. He was the undrafted Euro free agent signed a couple of years ago. Been underwhelming at Indy this year so no big loss. Hawks down to 44 contracts. Maybe KD clearing the decks to take on a contract dump or additional bodies in trades.
- boilermaker100


Another KD fail...or Stanblow, take your pick.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Nov 30 @ 10:09 AM ET
Another KD fail...or Stanblow, take your pick.
- HawkintheD


I pressed the "Fail Roulette" button, and this one came up with Mike Smith.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Nov 30 @ 10:09 AM ET
https://www.tankathon.com/nhl

The Hawks are technically in the #2 spot. It took me 8 spins of the sim lottery to land at #1.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Nov 30 @ 10:48 AM ET
When you are busy, PM me and I can always be long winded. (see above.)
- wiz1901


LA has mentioned it, so i was wondering if the Blackhawks are able to get a 1st for Kane and Toews in this draft, let's throw in a 2nd round pick as well, would you try to package those deals to trade up in the top 15 or would you sit on those picks because there is so much talent in this draft?
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Nov 30 @ 10:51 AM ET
LA has mentioned it, so i was wondering if the Blackhawks are able to get a 1st for Kane and Toews in this draft, let's throw in a 2nd round pick as well, would you try to package those deals to trade up in the top 15 or would you sit on those picks because there is so much talent in this draft?
- BetweenTheDots


If you were the GM of the other team, would you trade away a Top 15 pick in this draft?
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Nov 30 @ 10:54 AM ET
Very early, but always nice to see:

https://twitter.com/Byron...tatus/1597695491097362432
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Nov 30 @ 10:57 AM ET
If you were the GM of the other team, would you trade away a Top 15 pick in this draft?
- mohel


It depends, top 5 probably not, top 10 maybe not,
It all depends where the talent tiers drop off at? That's why I'm asking Wiz
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Nov 30 @ 11:05 AM ET
I thought I was back in the 80's watching the Kracken/Kings game last night. Just 20 games in NHL history were higher scoring. The last game with more than 18 goals came on 1/13/96 (SJ @ PIT).

Quote from a fan on the LAKings insider blog:

If this doesn’t get a coach fired what will?
This is well into a “rebuild” and this team is a laughing stock in the defensive zone.

It’s not fair to the guys like Quick to have to play for a coach that has clearly lost all concept of a complete game.


Sounds like a hockeybuzz Hawks poster.

boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Nov 30 @ 11:07 AM ET
Very early, but always nice to see:

https://twitter.com/Byron...tatus/1597695491097362432

- Chunk


The question with Korchinski is where he plays next season. I believe, because of his age, he either has to stay in Juniors or play in the NHL. I doubt if the Hawks are going anywhere next year so why have him exposed to a probable dumpster fire by bringing him up.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Nov 30 @ 11:08 AM ET
LA has mentioned it, so i was wondering if the Blackhawks are able to get a 1st for Kane and Toews in this draft, let's throw in a 2nd round pick as well, would you try to package those deals to trade up in the top 15 or would you sit on those picks because there is so much talent in this draft?
- BetweenTheDots


I don't think I would trade them for a higher draft pick, but I think I would put a package together for a high-end player who is further along in his development (Maybe someone like Brennan Othmann or Conor Geekie).
6628
Joined: 08.24.2009

Nov 30 @ 11:08 AM ET
https://www.tankathon.com/nhl

The Hawks are technically in the #2 spot. It took me 8 spins of the sim lottery to land at #1.

- Rota's Rooter



Ha, 1st spin
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Nov 30 @ 11:11 AM ET
It depends, top 5 probably not, top 10 maybe not,
It all depends where the talent tiers drop off at? That's why I'm asking Wiz

- BetweenTheDots


It's an interesting question. There really aren't too many teams who have a dearth of draft picks and the ones that do are expected to have higher draft slots (COL, FLA).

On the flip side, holy crap, take a look at the number of picks that AZ holds in the next three drafts. 8 picks in the first three rounds in 2024, five in the first two in 2025.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Nov 30 @ 11:18 AM ET
The question with Korchinski is where he plays next season. I believe, because of his age, he either has to stay in Juniors or play in the NHL. I doubt if the Hawks are going anywhere next year so why have him exposed to a probable dumpster fire by bringing him up.
- boilermaker100


Only reason i would not would be he would be in a better position (if he shows well) for his second contract after his ELC, not that I foresee the Hawks with any cap problems for many years. I would wait and see how he does in the WJC, and other "all-star" type games. I would also give him the 9 games before making the decision..
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Nov 30 @ 11:19 AM ET
When you are busy, PM me and I can always be long winded. (see above.)
- wiz1901

10 pages max. double spaced please.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Nov 30 @ 11:19 AM ET
The question with Korchinski is where he plays next season. I believe, because of his age, he either has to stay in Juniors or play in the NHL. I doubt if the Hawks are going anywhere next year so why have him exposed to a probable dumpster fire by bringing him up.
- boilermaker100


Unlikely we will see him with the Hawks for a while IMO. The management seems like they aren't going to rush anyone into the NHL at this point.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Nov 30 @ 11:27 AM ET
Only reason i would not would be he would be in a better position (if he shows well) for his second contract after his ELC, not that I foresee the Hawks with any cap problems for many years. I would wait and see how he does in the WJC, and other "all-star" type games. I would also give him the 9 games before making the decision..
- LAHawk

I would bet the ranch he stays in jr's.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Nov 30 @ 12:11 PM ET
LA has mentioned it, so i was wondering if the Blackhawks are able to get a 1st for Kane and Toews in this draft, let's throw in a 2nd round pick as well, would you try to package those deals to trade up in the top 15 or would you sit on those picks because there is so much talent in this draft?
- BetweenTheDots

While it's always a possibility has it even happened in the NHL? Remember the Bruins had 3-1st round picks smack in the middle in 2015 and couldn't move up. And then chose poorly with those picks.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Nov 30 @ 12:22 PM ET
Unlikely we will see him with the Hawks for a while IMO. The management seems like they aren't going to rush anyone into the NHL at this point.
- breadbag


Agree with everyone who says don't rush him. Let him dominate another year in the Juniors. Allan should be in Rockford next year. Maybe keep him and Korchinski there the following year too, and let them play together to develop some chemistry. Bring them both up in 25-26. Boy that seems so far away.

Speaking of Juniors the 2023 tourney begins in a few weeks. Rosters should be announced soon. Aren't Korchinski, Del Mastro and Allan slated to be on Team Canada? Looking forward to see them play.
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Nov 30 @ 12:25 PM ET
While it's always a possibility has it even happened in the NHL? Remember the Bruins had 3-1st round picks smack in the middle in 2015 and couldn't move up. And then chose poorly with those picks.
- Rota's Rooter


All kinds of trades were made years ago by Vancouver's GM to get the Sedin brothers with the #1 and #2 picks. I believe the Hawks were involved in one.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Nov 30 @ 12:30 PM ET
While it's always a possibility has it even happened in the NHL? Remember the Bruins had 3-1st round picks smack in the middle in 2015 and couldn't move up. And then chose poorly with those picks.
- Rota's Rooter


Depends on what moving up is. The Hawks will have one high (top 5 ) pick, and if they get first rounders for Kane and Toews, will have 3 from around 22 to 32. If they want a #15 or 16, I can see that team (currently Nashville or Calgary) willing to have 2 late first rounders for a mid-round first. Actually I can see either team giving the Hawks the #15 or #16 (as it currently stands) for one of the late first rounders and a bad contract for cap relief, as both teams will need it next year (similar to the Mrazek trade this year)
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