Im sorry but kids going to college or the military don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars in their bank account, and when they were playing in those tournaments they are living in much more structured environments because they are KIDS. They are traveling with chaperones or family.

Its not even close to being a professional athlete.
- MBFlyerfan

Agreed. He made a dumb comment.

Oh, now I'm a child cause I disagree with you. What if you get 2 good years out of him? You're one strange dude. I'm not debating with you cause it's a waste of time. I don't like the contract and I totally disagree with your take and therefore, I'm a child. Thanks! I bow at your presence.
- Phillywhiteout

You are arguing with a dude who picks and chooses who he likes and lets pass (Frost)
but analyses of how RR has his skate pointed in the wrong direction on a goal against.
If post back surgery Coots is even 93% of player for first 2 years, I move him year 3 solely on actuarial tables for a slow 34 year old with a back surgery under his belt.

Couturier's game has never been based on speed. It's based on his elite hockey sense. There has never been a time where Couturier has had an issue keeping up with the speed of the game. That combined with his skill level and his physical strength is why I'm not concerned with the term of the contract. Yes, the back injury is a concern but all reports are positive. Calling it a brutal contract is again, asinine.
- MJL

Again, I say no way to agreeing with you. If you want to dispute my opinion by all means do so, but to say my comment is asinine is a bit over the top. That would insinuate that my comment has no chance of coming to fruition. The reality is that no one knows at this point whether this contract will be good or bad. You like it and I don't. Time will tell what transpires. Thanks! Oh, and please get on the horn to tell them to FIRE CHUCK!

Wrong! It's an 8 year contract. It's a brutal contract if they only get 4 good years out of him(or less). Of course, no one knows how it will play out, but I don't like it. It's not a bad AAV cause they gave him all that term, but I think the term is ridiculous in this particular case.
- Phillywhiteout

All contracts should be judged based not just on individual performance, but also based on team improving its chances of winning the cup.

From that perspective, it is a poor contract. If Couturier does well, he is still not the kind of player who takes you deep into the playoffs. But he is good enough to prevent you from drafting in positions where you could get that talent. And if he doesn't, then you are stuck with an overpaying contract.

Then there is the issue of the rewards you could have reaped by trading him, draft picks/prospects which. combined with your own picks, could have been used to move high into draft, which is a second way to draft high end talent.

Combine the two together, and what you said about the individual player (age/health) issues. and his contract is probably one of the worst I can recall, and will be a big reason for why the franchise will probably stay stagnant in its current moribund state for the foreseeable future

Again, I say no way to agreeing with you. If you want to dispute my opinion by all means do so, but to say my comment is asinine is a bit over the top. That would insinuate that my comment has no chance of coming to fruition. The reality is that no one knows at this point whether this contract will be good or bad. You like it and I don't. Time will tell what transpires. Thanks! Oh, and get on the horn to tell them to FIRE CHUCK!
- Phillywhiteout

No it's not over the top. I think it would be a valid opinion to have concerns about the term of the contract for various reasons. To call it a brutal contract, that's simply asinine.

It's asinine to say a contract with a cap hit of 7.75M for a player of Couturier's caliber is brutal.
- MJL

Dude what don't you get that he is saying? Willful ignorance or just you tiny ego?
It will be bad/awful/terrible when he is 35, bank on it!!!
Then you will say when he sucks,
oh he had a surgery
oh he has a lot of miles being a warrior since 18.
Your act is so tired.

You could very easily say yeah maybe this won't be so hot in 5-6-7-8 years.
Not you, dig heels in and call people names!
What else would I expect from a troll like you in mommy's basement.

You are arguing with a dude who picks and chooses who he likes and lets pass (Frost)
but analyses of how RR has his skate pointed in the wrong direction on a goal against.
If post back surgery Coots is even 93% of player for first 2 years, I move him year 3 solely on actuarial tables for a slow 34 year old with a back surgery under his belt.
- konalover711

Good luck with that, given his NTC and given that other teams have access to the same actuarial tables.

No it's not over the top. I think it would be a valid opinion to have concerns about the term of the contract for various reasons. To call it a brutal contract, that's simply asinine.
- MJL

Whats your mom making you for lunch?

You are such an arrogant keyboard smart guy!!!


Contract will be brutal!!!!!

Good luck with that, given his NTC and given that other teams have access to the same actuarial tables.
- PT21

Hoping he may wanna chase a cup and waive it.....
He knows as well as us he has no cup chances here in 8 years!

All contracts should be judged based not just on individual performance, but also based on team improving its chances of winning the cup.

From that perspective, it is a poor contract. If Couturier does well, he is still not the kind of player who takes you deep into the playoffs. But he is good enough to prevent you from drafting in positions where you could get that talent. And if he doesn't, then you are stuck with an overpaying contract.

Then there is the issue of the rewards you could have reaped by trading him, draft picks/prospects which. combined with your own picks, could have been used to move high into draft, which is a second way to draft high end talent.

Combine the two together, and what you said about the individual player (age/health) issues. and his contract is probably one of the worst I can recall, and will be a big reason for why the franchise will probably stay stagnant in its current moribund state for the foreseeable future
- PT21

I disagree with this on many levels. Other than maybe a goaltender who gets hot. No single player is going to carry a team deep into the playoffs without a quality team surrounding him.

The Flyers had players like Peter Forsberg and Simon Gagne scoring 41 goals while finishing last in a previous season.

That the Flyers decided not to trade Couturier and instead re-signed him does not factor into looking at the contract.

Good luck with that, given his NTC and given that other teams have access to the same actuarial tables.
- PT21

This isn't the IRS.

Hoping he may wanna chase a cup and waive it.....
He knows as well as us he has no cup chances here in 8 years!
- konalover711

He will...in 2029-30.

I blame Russ Farwell for the Lindros trade!!
- konalover711

Theres nothing to blame

I disagree with this on many levels. Other than maybe a goaltender who gets hot. No single player is going to carry a team deep into the playoffs without a quality team surrounding him.

The Flyers had players like Peter Forsberg and Simon Gagne scoring 41 goals while finishing last in a previous season.

That the Flyers decided not to trade Couturier and instead re-signed him does not factor into looking at the contract.
- MJL

I meant: Couturier, on the current team, is not the difference maker whose presence is critical to a deep run. If he was say Hedman on Tampa, then a team could give a long contract just because his presence could mean winning the cup. But we are not at that stage and he is not that player who could be that difference-maker.

2nd bold: It does though: there were two choices.
1. Go the route we did, which includes player, term, age, AAV, on current team.
2. What we could have done instead of doing 1.

For example, if a guy needs to pay his mortgage and blows the money on a cruise, then even if the cruise was fairly priced, it is still a bad decision to spend it on that. It is called the principle of opportunity cost pf any transaction: https://www.investopedia....rms/o/opportunitycost.asp

This isn't the IRS.

- MJL

You mean insurance, not IRS. But anyway, they would have far more refined tables in pro sports, much more than in insurance.

I meant: Couturier, on the current team, is not the difference maker whose presence is critical to a deep run. If he was say Hedman on Tampa, then a team could give a long contract just because his presence could mean winning the cup. But we are not at that stage and he is not that player who could be that difference-maker.



- PT21

If Couturier played on a team that was at a contending level, he is absolutely a player who can be a difference maker in my opinion. He is a player that wins possession and scoring battles while being able to do it against top lines. While scoring at a high level at ES. He also makes just about every player he plays with better.

2nd bold: It does though: there were two choices.
1. Go the route we did, which includes player, term, age, AAV, on current team.
2. What we could have done instead of doing 1.

For example, if a guy needs to pay his mortgage and blows the money on a cruise, then even if the cruise was fairly priced, it is still a bad decision to spend it on that. It is called the principle of opportunity cost pf any transaction: https://www.investopedia....rms/o/opportunitycost.asp
- PT21

Really bad analogy that doesn't fit. Again, you want to bring principles into sport that don't apply. Every player and contract situation is an individual decision on it's own merits.

You mean insurance, not IRS. But anyway, they would have far more refined tables in pro sports, much more than in insurance.
- PT21

No, I mean the IRS



https://www.irs.gov/retir...nt-plans/actuarial-tables

Whats your mom making you for lunch?

You are such an arrogant keyboard smart guy!!!


Contract will be brutal!!!!!
- konalover711

sausage

ex selke is the new CC. Gonna waste his career on a loser team.

....
- MJL

Two things can both be true at once:
1. Couturier is a very good player and has received what he deserves.
2. It is a terrible contract for the Flyers to give out at this stage of their fortunes.

With that said, I now have learnt to bow out of these exchanges with you as everything worth saying has been said.

Doing anything fun this weekend?

Two things can both be true at once:
1. Couturier is a very good player and has received what he deserves.
2. It is a terrible contract for the Flyers to give out at this stage of their fortunes.

With that said, I now have learnt to bow out of these exchanges with you as everything worth saying has been said.

Doing anything fun this weekend?
- PT21

corectamundo

All contracts should be judged based not just on individual performance, but also based on team improving its chances of winning the cup.

From that perspective, it is a poor contract. If Couturier does well, he is still not the kind of player who takes you deep into the playoffs. But he is good enough to prevent you from drafting in positions where you could get that talent. And if he doesn't, then you are stuck with an overpaying contract.

Then there is the issue of the rewards you could have reaped by trading him, draft picks/prospects which. combined with your own picks, could have been used to move high into draft, which is a second way to draft high end talent.

Combine the two together, and what you said about the individual player (age/health) issues. and his contract is probably one of the worst I can recall, and will be a big reason for why the franchise will probably stay stagnant in its current moribund state for the foreseeable future
- PT21

Nicely written!!

No, I mean the IRS



https://www.irs.gov/retir...nt-plans/actuarial-tables
- MJL

Whats wrong with you?

So you do not think that in any way NHL teams do not have any kind of metric that analyzes age, surgeries, years in league, games played before they shell out millions to a player over the age 30?

you need some help...

If Couturier played on a team that was at a contending level, he is absolutely a player who can be a difference maker in my opinion. He is a player that wins possession and scoring battles while being able to do it against top lines. While scoring at a high level at ES. He also makes just about every player he plays with better.




Really bad analogy that doesn't fit. Again, you want to bring principles into sport that don't apply. Every player and contract situation is an individual decision on it's own merits.
- MJL

you just brought the IRS into sport, you fool!!!

This goes to WHY I asked Bill what a developmental coach does. I already knew the answer but wanted other people to see it.

It is about how they live off the ice. How they eat, how they take care of their money, deal with the media, find a place to live, avoid all the pitfalls of being young and on your own, and having more money than you know what to do with. How to schedule your time to make sure you get to practice and not hung over or too tired because you stayed up all night playing Fortnight. How to stay in shape, how to make sure you can survive an 82 game schedule year after year.

It hardly has anything to do with their play ON THE ICE in terms of strategy or skills or any of that. That is up to the on ice coaches.

You can be damn sure the kind of development is very important and while they may be 18 and considered an adult, in no way shape or form are they MEN yet. They are still kids.
- MBFlyerfan

Nothing wrong with your comment. But I can’t tell if you’re being facetious with the Fortnight reference. My kids are in their teens and they say Fortnight has been dead for 3 years. That’s a lifetime for them. Not trying to nitpick. But you gave me a laugh in the midst of a good comment.