This isn't about Alfredsson but it's a really good, well written article about building a winning team and by applying it to Ottawa we can see highlighted some of the glaring inadequacies in the Sens organization.

I can't make it a link but it's currently an Oiler's piece.

Sean Maloughney: What Can Edmonton Take From Colorado's Cup Win?
- Whatisavailable

Pretty good article. I assume analytics and pro scouting get covered with the infusion of investment capital and a restructured ownership.

Colorado is about 9 years from beginning their tear down and the drafting of McKinnon. Ottawa is in year 5. The Duchene trade was good long term for Colorado. I would argue the Karlsson trade with Norris and Stutzle coming back to Ottawa was even better.

Most of all I like the reference to the importance of the Kadri trade. Ottawa needs a physical type player that can give the Sens a strong physical presence in the middle.

I love Dubois at 6"3" and 218 lbs. I compare him with Barkov at 6"3" and 214 lbs. There career numbers are almost identical after 5 years. Barkov 331 games, 249 points. Dubois 357 games 238 points.

Bad breaks with Emery and Hasek and stuck with friggin Patrick Lalime
- Whatisavailable

Yeah... I'm not sure if Sens lost due to goaltending but certainly having a goalie like Emery or Lalime is not the same as a Vasilevskiy or even a Tim Thomas. In fact since Martin Brodeur won the cup in 2003 with NJ, only Tim Thomas won the Vezina and Cup in the same year. Many of those goalies (Price, Miller, Lundqvist, Rinne etc) never won a cup

I love Dubois at 6"3" and 218 lbs. I compare him with Barkov at 6"3" and 214 lbs. There career numbers are almost identical after 5 years. Barkov 331 games, 249 points. Dubois 357 games 238 points.
- spatso

I am not sold on this comparison yet. However, here is a read on that very comparison.

https://theathletic.com/1...e-next-aleksander-barkov/

This isn't about Alfredsson but it's a really good, well written article about building a winning team and by applying it to Ottawa we can see highlighted some of the glaring inadequacies in the Sens organization.

I can't make it a link but it's currently an Oiler's piece.
Sean Maloughney: What Can Edmonton Take From Colorado's Cup Win?
- Whatisavailable

https://hockeybuzz.com/bl...orados-Cup-Win/261/117909

Key Points:
1. Hire a legitimate analytics department (making informed decisions)
2. Hire better pro-scouts (better trades, player signings)
3. Cap management (limit the bad contracts)
4. Speed and skill (vs. toughness)
5. Not just about the goalie

That is a very well-written piece... though there's always a certain tendency to try over-mimic the team structure of the Stanley Cup winner. But there's no denying the first 3 points have to do with team management, which is a massive deficiency with the Senators. It was also hard not to get frustrated when reading "there is a difference between being tough to play against and throwing hits", and the statement that Colorado is not wasting roster spots on 'toughness'.

Bob Mackenzie's Final Rankings Today

1. LW Juraj Slafkovsky
2. C Shane Wright
3. C Logan Cooley
4. D Simon Nemec
5. LW Cutter Gauthier
6. D David Jiricek
7. RW Joakim Kemell (would be thrilled if Sens get him)
8. RW Jonathan Lekkerimaki
9. C Matt Savoie

Thoughts on this trade:

To San Jose Sharks

C Colin White - 15.75M over next 3 years
D Nikita Zaitsev - 9M over next 2 years
G Matt Murray - 15M over next 2 years
Draft Picks
= 39.75M salary outgoing

To Ottawa Senators

D Erik Karlsson (20% salary retained) - 40.8M over 5 years, 8.16M cap hit
G Adin Hill - 2.7M over 1 year
= 43.5M salary incoming

Bob Mackenzie's Final Rankings Today

1. LW Juraj Slafkovsky
2. C Shane Wright
3. C Logan Cooley
4. D Simon Nemec
5. LW Cutter Gauthier
6. D David Jiricek
7. RW Joakim Kemell (would be thrilled if Sens get him)
8. RW Jonathan Lekkerimaki
9. C Matt Savoie

Thoughts on this trade:

To San Jose Sharks

C Colin White - 15.75M over next 3 years
D Nikita Zaitsev - 9M over next 2 years
G Matt Murray - 15M over next 2 years
Draft Picks
= 39.75M salary outgoing

To Ottawa Senators

D Erik Karlsson (20% salary retained) - 40.8M over 5 years, 8.16M cap hit
G Adin Hill - 2.7M over 1 year
= 43.5M salary incoming
- AlfieisKing

In the journey of life you are never really able to go home again. Karlsson was a wonderful talent in his prime. He is not the same player he was in his prime. He has lost a lot of his game.

However, even he was still a great player I would be opposed to bringing him back. The leadership of the Sens has been taken on by a bunch of wild kids who think they want to win. We need to stick with the young leadership and give them a chance to show us what they are made of.

I will be disappointed if they do not make a serious run at a playoff spot this year.

I am not sold on this comparison yet. However, here is a read on that very comparison.

https://theathletic.com/1...e-next-aleksander-barkov/
- HoweHatrick

Wow! Thanks.

Confirming for me. I am probably too simplistic and too dogged in my belief that regular season success is about scoring goals and offensive skill. Playoffs on the other hand are about playing a great defensive team game and you need guys who can line up and shut down the other guys best player.

Hypothetically the Sens won't make it through until they are able to neutralized the elite skill of teams like the Leafs, Rangers, Carolina.

Love Norris and Stutzle. They are going to have great careers. But they do not strike me as having the kind of game that you want going head to head against Matthews or Zibanejad. I also really like Pinto and maybe my concerns are premature.

But, I believe that Dubois is going to be traded. I believe Montreal has the inside track. But maybe the Sens can draw a lucky card. Or, at least make it very expensive for Montreal by pushing up the trade offer.

Did anyone else listen to the Cyril Leeder interview this morning on TSN1200? He went out of his way to say that in the 5 years that Alfie was eligible for the HOF, that the Sens front office never supported his candidacy, that they never put his name forward to the HOF committee. That it was Cyril and the group on Twitter that got together and put forth the push for Alfie. So even after Eugene passed, his 2 gong show daughters and our idiot GM still couldn't bury the hatchet with Alfie. Like come on. There has been a few written about the daughters, one podcast said they were a train wreck with a few very connected in the NHL world on this podcast. I am telling you, listening to Leblanc talk about them a few weeks ago, you could tell he was trying to sell Sens fans on them, when in reality, they are just as big a problem as their father was. Sad.

There has been a few written about the daughters, one podcast said they were a train wreck with a few very connected in the NHL world on this podcast.
- LawyerSens4Life

I'd relax about the daughters. They're teenagers/early 20-somethings. If I was a millionaire/billionaire at that age I'd probably be dead. They're not actually running things. They're going to go to school (hopefully/if not already) and get a useless MBA just to prove to people they're not dumb. Or maybe some silly art/humanities degree. When they're 25+ and still acting crazy, then maybe worry.

Did anyone else listen to the Cyril Leeder interview this morning on TSN1200? He went out of his way to say that in the 5 years that Alfie was eligible for the HOF, that the Sens front office never supported his candidacy, that they never put his name forward to the HOF committee. That it was Cyril and the group on Twitter that got together and put forth the push for Alfie. So even after Eugene passed, his 2 gong show daughters and our idiot GM still couldn't bury the hatchet with Alfie. Like come on. There has been a few written about the daughters, one podcast said they were a train wreck with a few very connected in the NHL world on this podcast. I am telling you, listening to Leblanc talk about them a few weeks ago, you could tell he was trying to sell Sens fans on them, when in reality, they are just as big a problem as their father was. Sad.
- LawyerSens4Life

Melnyk was not a gracious person. I have no doubt that players moved on because he made notations problematic. Had the Sens operated with a different ownership group Alfie would have played his last year in a Sens uniform. Zibanejad and Duclair were just crazy outcomes.

I would go beyond what Cyril Leeder said about the Sens not supporting Alfie's HHOF and speculate that Sens ownership and others were instructed to work to stop it from happening.

But, we are moving to the other side. On the day of the LeBreton announcement, I heard Leblanc say something that I have been hoping to hear for a long time. He said "that is going to be a decision for our equity investors."

Really important folks just be patient for a few more months.

Sorry to hear that Leeder is bitter. It is an understandable response given everything that has taken place. I was hoping he would be part of the new group. His response suggests he probably is not.

Note: Listened to full interview. He was very positive, not bitter at all. Made distinction between previous 4 times he was considered and there was no support from the team. This year the team did support the application and participated in the preparation and pitch

Did anyone else listen to the Cyril Leeder interview this morning on TSN1200? He went out of his way to say that in the 5 years that Alfie was eligible for the HOF, that the Sens front office never supported his candidacy, that they never put his name forward to the HOF committee. That it was Cyril and the group on Twitter that got together and put forth the push for Alfie. So even after Eugene passed, his 2 gong show daughters and our idiot GM still couldn't bury the hatchet with Alfie. Like come on. There has been a few written about the daughters, one podcast said they were a train wreck with a few very connected in the NHL world on this podcast. I am telling you, listening to Leblanc talk about them a few weeks ago, you could tell he was trying to sell Sens fans on them, when in reality, they are just as big a problem as their father was. Sad.
- LawyerSens4Life

Maybe read this before made poop up https://www.sportsnet.ca/...al-shift-in-organization/

Maybe read this before made poop up https://www.sportsnet.ca/...al-shift-in-organization/
- Crosside

A+

I think we need to recognize that things are changing very fast for the better.

Sometimes people have difficulty letting go of their anger.

So much that we can be positive about.

Need to be patient with the guys who need to be angry about something given what has happened in the past.

More good news is coming. Everyone will feel more positive soon enough. Only 15 weeks before opening night and the puck drops on another season.

Maybe read this before made poop up https://www.sportsnet.ca/...al-shift-in-organization/
- Crosside

Listen to Cyril's interview from this morning, he flat out said the team never backed his candidacy. End of story. The guy who ran the team for 25 years, think I believe him.

Maybe read this before made poop up https://www.sportsnet.ca/...al-shift-in-organization/
- Crosside

If you read the article you posted, you would have saw that the 2 people who spearheaded the Alfie campaign don't even work the Sens. That speaks volumes about the Sens.

Quote from the article below. And I agree, both of them should be with the Sens but we all know that wont happen because of Eugene's daughters, end of story.


Medaglia, who created such brilliant content for the Senators during some of their most difficult times, should be extended a red carpet on which to walk back to his former job with the team.

Leeder is happily engaged in the local corporate world, but belongs in the Senators family in some capacity, even if just as a figurehead.

Listen to Cyril's interview from this morning, he flat out said the team never backed his candidacy. End of story. The guy who ran the team for 25 years, think I believe him.
- LawyerSens4Life

I did. You are wrong. He said they did not support the previous 4 applications.

He was clear. The supported and actively participated in this (the fifth) application.

Listen to Cyril's interview from this morning, he flat out said the team never backed his candidacy. End of story. The guy who ran the team for 25 years, think I believe him.
- LawyerSens4Life

I did. You are wrong. He said they did not support the previous 4 applications.

He was clear. They supported and actively participated in this (the fifth) application.

dp

Pretty good article. I assume analytics and pro scouting get covered with the infusion of investment capital and a restructured ownership.

Colorado is about 9 years from beginning their tear down and the drafting of McKinnon. Ottawa is in year 5. The Duchene trade was good long term for Colorado. I would argue the Karlsson trade with Norris and Stutzle coming back to Ottawa was even better.

Most of all I like the reference to the importance of the Kadri trade. Ottawa needs a physical type player that can give the Sens a strong physical presence in the middle.

I love Dubois at 6"3" and 218 lbs. I compare him with Barkov at 6"3" and 214 lbs. There career numbers are almost identical after 5 years. Barkov 331 games, 249 points. Dubois 357 games 238 points.
- spatso

Get over the Dubois stuff man. Your obsession with him and Seth Jones sounds like an 8 year old wanting a new toy. Dubois is horrible in the room, inconsistent as hell on the ice, he wouldn't mix with this young group.

Get over the Dubois stuff man. Your obsession with him and Seth Jones sounds like an 8 year old wanting a new toy. Dubois is horrible in the room, inconsistent as hell on the ice, he wouldn't mix with this young group.
- LawyerSens4Life

I am not sure why you want to fight with everyone.

Should be interesting to see what Pierre McGuire says on the draft coverage for Sportsnet, now that he's been hired by them. It allows him to keep his home in Ottawa, they were saying on the radio. Will he criticize the Sens moves, trades, draft picks?

I am not sure why you want to fight with everyone.
- spatso

Stating a fact about Dubois on and off the ice, plus stating a fact about your love affair. You only want to endorse 2 players that should be in Ottawa and nobody else.

Pretty good article. I assume analytics and pro scouting get covered with the infusion of investment capital and a restructured ownership.

Colorado is about 9 years from beginning their tear down and the drafting of McKinnon. Ottawa is in year 5. The Duchene trade was good long term for Colorado. I would argue the Karlsson trade with Norris and Stutzle coming back to Ottawa was even better.

Most of all I like the reference to the importance of the Kadri trade. Ottawa needs a physical type player that can give the Sens a strong physical presence in the middle.

I love Dubois at 6"3" and 218 lbs. I compare him with Barkov at 6"3" and 214 lbs. There career numbers are almost identical after 5 years. Barkov 331 games, 249 points. Dubois 357 games 238 points.
- spatso

Had to laugh. That's some mancrush you've got going! Hopefully he goes to Montreal where he seems to want to be.

I take that back because I like Montreal. Let him go to any American based team.

Bob Mackenzie's Final Rankings Today

1. LW Juraj Slafkovsky
2. C Shane Wright
3. C Logan Cooley
4. D Simon Nemec
5. LW Cutter Gauthier
6. D David Jiricek
7. RW Joakim Kemell (would be thrilled if Sens get him)
8. RW Jonathan Lekkerimaki
9. C Matt Savoie

Thoughts on this trade:

To San Jose Sharks

C Colin White - 15.75M over next 3 years
D Nikita Zaitsev - 9M over next 2 years
G Matt Murray - 15M over next 2 years
Draft Picks
= 39.75M salary outgoing

To Ottawa Senators

D Erik Karlsson (20% salary retained) - 40.8M over 5 years, 8.16M cap hit
G Adin Hill - 2.7M over 1 year
= 43.5M salary incoming
- AlfieisKing

Great example of a lose lose trade.

Had to laugh. That's some mancrush you've got going! Hopefully he goes to Montreal where he seems to want to be.

I take that back because I like Montreal. Let him go to any American based team.
- Whatisavailable

Montreal probably has inside track.

But I am hoping that the reunion with old team mate Batherson at world championship and the inclusion of sens head coach provide an opportunity for some lobbying for the Sens.

Nobody have heard the Paul Maurice interview at TSN 1050 yesterday. He said the three team in the Atlantic with the biggest headwinds. The Lightning, Leafs and Ottawa Senators. He said this team manage to bring so good young players and this year could gonna be the year that turn the corner. Sad that Florida hired him, I think he would have like to coach this team