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TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Jun 23 @ 3:54 PM ET
Tampa fans: "This non-call really calls into question the integrity of the win and will forever result in a asterisks should the Avs win the cup."

Also Tampa fans: "No, I don't feel having a roster that is 20m over the cap in the post season is an unfair advantage over the other teams."

- WayneZ


Players get paid for the 82 game regular season. They do not get paid salary in playoffs.

It is unfair that Tampa has had to retool over and over and is still the class of the NHL. They develop players and provide platforms for guys to win and go on and help other teams win and guys to make money.

They have been playing without one of the top 10 players in the league for 3 rounds, and were/are a bounce or 2 away from possibly hoisting the cup. Any other team loses a player of that caliber, the team falls apart.

I get people hate success, when its not their team. ESPNS coverage has been horsepoop and a missed opportunity to showcase and educate fans on stars, instead of rooting for anyone to beat Tampa.

Don't get me wrong. Colorado is an amazing team. No shame in losing to them.
TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Jun 23 @ 3:58 PM ET
Yes, forgive me for not posting the blurry screenshot instead where Kadri accepts the pass and MacKinnon is "basically" at the bench instead of "hanging over it trying to open the door"

The same play happens all the time in every game all season and playoffs long. The rule allows for referees to use their judgement in calling or not calling it as too many men.



I have to imagine you have the same level of disdain for wingers that cheat into the circle on literally every single faceoff as well. When that leads to a goal I'll be sure to see if your outrage level is at-or-around the same as it is for this one.

- eichiefs9


Help me here. How did Kadri magically appear 50 feet away from the bench when Mckinnon arrived to the 5 foot window? This is so basic and obvious. It doesnt say players can leave the bench whenever they want and skate anywhere and as long as they do not touch the puck until the guy they are replacing gets to 5 feet from bench.

If it was a clean change, you would have seen the guys pass each other 5 to 10 feet from bench...that is how changes go. Critically read the rule...its right there.

Kadri and McKinnon passed at center ice. The rink is 100 feet wide. They were at least 30 to 40 feet from the bench.
TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Jun 23 @ 4:02 PM ET
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I have to imagine you have the same level of disdain for wingers that cheat into the circle on literally every single faceoff as well. When that leads to a goal I'll be sure to see if your outrage level is at-or-around the same as it is for this one.

Not at all, the refs blow whistles and toss guys if there is an unfair advantage.

And nowhere am I saying Tampa outplayed Colorado. Or that Tampa would have eventually won. I am saying it was a horrible way to end a stanley cup final game.

There is clear video of Mckinnon casually skating back to the bench when Kadri is has the puck. It is like the goalie covering the puck and moving his glove past the goal line and back. You can not see the puck cross the line, but logic says it did. Logic says there is no way Kadri and McKinnon crossed paths anywhere near the 5 foot window.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 4:05 PM ET
Not sure why people who keep saying this happens many times in a game don't understand that there is some leeway given on line changes as far as too many men on the ice. As long as the player coming on does not play the puck while the player he is replacing is still on the ice. At that point, it becomes an illegal change and a too many men on the ice penalty. Kadri was on the other side of the ice!
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Jun 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
Help me here. How did Kadri magically appear 50 feet away from the bench when Mckinnon arrived to the 5 foot window? This is so basic and obvious. It doesnt say players can leave the bench whenever they want and skate anywhere and as long as they do not touch the puck until the guy they are replacing gets to 5 feet from bench.

If it was a clean change, you would have seen the guys pass each other 5 to 10 feet from bench...that is how changes go. Critically read the rule...its right there.

Kadri and McKinnon passed at center ice. The rink is 100 feet wide. They were at least 30 to 40 feet from the bench.

- TrueGrit

One was hustling the other was coasting off after a long shift

There is not one single solitary thing that mandates that players "pass each other"

The rink is 85ft wide, not 100ft

You are crying about the rules not being applied to a literal T. Refs are given room to use their discretion specifically so we don't see a game with a stoppage every 3 minutes for a penalty.

Did Kadri leave early? Yes.

Does that happen in literally every NHL game between October and June? Yes.

Here's Ryan McDonagh admitting Tampa cheats too! Call the press!




Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill, you're being ridiculous
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 23 @ 4:09 PM ET
Ryan McDonagh seems to think last night's MAJOR CONTROVERSY was what those of us who watch hockey regularly call..... a line change. Must suck for Cooper to have his own players undermine his BS like this.

https://twitter.com/Georg...tatus/1540006075973472258

- FoppaForever

He’s also been the Avs best player. Wonder if he gets any Conn Smythe votes.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 23 @ 4:10 PM ET
Help me here. How did Kadri magically appear 50 feet away from the bench when Mckinnon arrived to the 5 foot window? This is so basic and obvious. It doesnt say players can leave the bench whenever they want and skate anywhere and as long as they do not touch the puck until the guy they are replacing gets to 5 feet from bench.

If it was a clean change, you would have seen the guys pass each other 5 to 10 feet from bench...that is how changes go. Critically read the rule...its right there.

Kadri and McKinnon passed at center ice. The rink is 100 feet wide. They were at least 30 to 40 feet from the bench.

- TrueGrit

Stick to football. Hockey isn’t for you.
dothedougie
Boston Bruins
Location: DISCLAIMER: HEAVY SARCASM FILTER, CO
Joined: 10.24.2013

Jun 23 @ 4:19 PM ET
Stick to football. Hockey isn’t for you.
- Feds91Stammer

TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Jun 23 @ 4:22 PM ET
Stick to football. Hockey isn’t for you.
- Feds91Stammer


Simply refute the logic...

Football???

You might want to put down your keyboard and check out some hooked on phonics. Work on that reading comprehension.


Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 23 @ 4:23 PM ET
Simply refute the logic...

Football???

You might want to put down your keyboard and check out some hooked on phonics. Work on that reading comprehension.

- TrueGrit

Cry more.
SpacemanSpiff
Colorado Avalanche
Joined: 02.24.2014

Jun 23 @ 4:27 PM ET
Words of Ryan McDonagh https://twitter.com/Georg...&t=PRj-IbheR7smRQ6jSgEvSA
Ek has hated the Avs and hated them since they destroyed Nashville (who he said the Avs wanted no part of and picked Nashville)
Liger4
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 05.12.2014

Jun 23 @ 4:28 PM ET
Jon Coopers presser was embarrassing... ya lost move on.
SpacemanSpiff
Colorado Avalanche
Joined: 02.24.2014

Jun 23 @ 4:30 PM ET
Jon Coopers presser was embarrassing... ya lost move on.
- Liger4


I wonder if he had the same emotion and distraught after his team benefited last year when they scored with 7 men on the ice. Islander fans screaming Karma!
livers
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Joined: 06.23.2022

Jun 23 @ 4:30 PM ET
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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 23 @ 4:47 PM ET
This bit of officiating derp is not nearly as bad as the refereeing philosophy on display every night.

Other leagues, publish stats showing how the officiating was (NBA, MLB).
The NHL just instructs the referees to put away the whistles in a close game, especially in the playoffs. There were at least 2 dangerous hits completely let go late in the game last night.

There is an obvious flaw in their "let them play" logic... it actually accomplishes the opposite. This problem starts in game 1 of round 1 and carries on throughout the playoffs.

I am guessing the NHL has decided to try to give more "entertainment" value over actual integrity.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 4:49 PM ET
One was hustling the other was coasting off after a long shift

There is not one single solitary thing that mandates that players "pass each other"

The rink is 85ft wide, not 100ft

You are crying about the rules not being applied to a literal T. Refs are given room to use their discretion specifically so we don't see a game with a stoppage every 3 minutes for a penalty.

Did Kadri leave early? Yes.

Does that happen in literally every NHL game between October and June? Yes.

Here's Ryan McDonagh admitting Tampa cheats too! Call the press!




Stop making a mountain out of a mole hill, you're being ridiculous

- eichiefs9


All teams cheat on changes. When you cheat and play the puck while the guy you're replacing is still on the ice. It then becomes a different situation and a too many men on the ice penalty.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 23 @ 4:52 PM ET
Tampa fans: "This non-call really calls into question the integrity of the win and will forever result in a asterisks should the Avs win the cup."

Also Tampa fans: "No, I don't feel having a roster that is 20m over the cap in the post season is an unfair advantage over the other teams."

- WayneZ


Also Tampa fans weren't complainng when they benefited from a phantom high-stick allowing them to tie game 6 late against the Leafs... or game 7 when a very weak "pick" was called, removing a Leafs goal... another play that happens multiple times, every single game and is very rarely called, but suddenly gets called when everything else is not being called.

yeah, Tampa has benefited from a few refereeing issues along the way. They can STFU now.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Jun 23 @ 4:59 PM ET
If that is where he accepted the pass, he was offside. Your pic is 2 seconds late. Does not matter. Do this math.

How does Kadri get all the way over to the other side before McKinnon gets near his bench? It is basic logic.

- TrueGrit

You are missing the logic. The puck was in the zone before the pass.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Jun 23 @ 5:03 PM ET
So you enforce the rule for the avs but not for tampa? Huh?
- LFS

No. If Tampa had played the puck it would have been a penalty against them. They didn’t touch it.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 23 @ 5:50 PM ET
Heisenberg...I am not whining or complaining.

Guys passing each other 40 to 50 feet from the bench does NOT happen.

If Kadri, jumped on the ice and waited for Mckinnon to arrive and received the puck there, where Mckinnon is, that would have been called immediately.

Kadri clearly left too soon. It created the advantage, regardless of what McKinnon was doing.

- TrueGrit


I didn’t say you were whining at all. It’s a play that happens a lot and rarely called…it’s a fast game and unfortunately the refs are going to catch everything. That’s just the reality. I would think Kadri didn’t create that much of an advantage that the refs thought it should be a penalty called in OT of a Stanley cup final. Not to say anything goes, but unless it led to a scoring chance, which it really didn’t all on its own would be a tough call. When the goal actually went in there was actually 7 Bolts on the ice….how could there be justification either way?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jun 23 @ 5:56 PM ET
No. If Tampa had played the puck it would have been a penalty against them. They didn’t touch it.
- TurdFergeson


You don’t have to play the puck to have a too many men penalties called… i’ve seen it called when a ref deems one team gains an advantage or it’s for an extended period of time where by no player is making an effort to get off or the guys coming on have entered the play without the players heading to bench are still on. It’s all part of the human element and refs discretion on a play call.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 23 @ 6:07 PM ET
The too many men play on the OT goal is not a play that happens a lot without being called. That gets called 90+% of the time. The Refs blew it. That simple. It was a textbook case of too many men.
Sharks77
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San Jose Sharks
Location: San Bruno, CA
Joined: 06.08.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:13 PM ET


Holy shiite, look at all those Av players on the ice!!!

One, two, three, four......




- ThatDarnCat

It's a Party
Sharks77
Season Ticket Holder
San Jose Sharks
Location: San Bruno, CA
Joined: 06.08.2013

Jun 23 @ 6:16 PM ET
Tampa had 7 skaters on the ice while Co had 6.
- LandlordTom


Well then Tampa wins 7-6 Cooper should be happy
TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Jun 23 @ 7:15 PM ET
Cry more.
- Feds91Stammer


Says the Wings fan....
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