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mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Jun 24 @ 9:35 AM ET
Sit on it and maybe use it at the deadline or whenever to facilitate a deal to get a young player or 1st rd pick. Take on a very short term deal to help another team out. Or fill in the gaps on 1 year deals if the players in house cant cut it.

Cap space matters period. You do not have to use it right away. Where this team is at you wait until the right opportunity. Now this will not happen as he will spend it asap.

- hello it's me 2050


I do not even mind that they spend up to the cap ceiling. They have the money. I just hate that they never have flexibility. They are always trading from a deficit. Always seem to be reacting. That is how CF operates though.

If they move Lindblom and JVR that would free up $10mil for this season. On the surface that would give them ample space to get creative. In reality it will only allow CF to offer another long term overpayment for some lucky FA.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jun 24 @ 9:46 AM ET
Cap strapped and bereft of talent. Exactly where you want to be.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 24 @ 9:49 AM ET
How abut that sixers draft
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 10:02 AM ET
Yes, I recall Morin being a high riser on draft day but that it was a reach for him at 11.
- jd250


A top-11 pick on a guy who had just 9 major junior points up to that point.... quite a leap of faith. Either the Flyers scouts were all punch drunk on his potential, or Homer got tunnel vision.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 10:05 AM ET
And I presume JVR should be moved as well to create space? If so, what do you do with the cap space? Do you use it this off season and sign a FA, or do you wait until next off season? Having cap space for the sake of having cap space is not a plan. Cap space only matters if you use it.
- jd250


You use the cap space saved in a number of ways. If there is a short term low cost vet that you think can help temporarily, you do that. Many of the league's teams are in bad cap space. You use the leverage of cap space to acquire future assets if it makes sense to help them with what they need. You save cap space for when hopefully, young players become very good players and need to be extended. Rather than capping out your team to be a bubble teams which is what this incompetent GM and organization wants to do.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 24 @ 10:06 AM ET
Yotes, Seattle would have to take on JVR, they need to stay away from adding assets, move other pieces that their system can replace and move JVR at TDL
- wcorvette

Yes, I think it would be wise for the Flyers to not add and let their young kids play this season to see what they have in house. I would like to move JVR for that reason more than the cap space benefits, but I also do not want to give up assets to do it.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 24 @ 10:07 AM ET
Sit on it and maybe use it at the deadline or whenever to facilitate a deal to get a young player or 1st rd pick. Take on a very short term deal to help another team out. Or fill in the gaps on 1 year deals if the players in house cant cut it.

Cap space matters period. You do not have to use it right away. Where this team is at you wait until the right opportunity. Now this will not happen as he will spend it asap.

- hello it's me 2050

Have some hope. In general I agree with how you would use the space.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 24 @ 10:09 AM ET
Yes, I think it would be wise for the Flyers to not add and let their young kids play this season to see what they have in house. I would like to move JVR for that reason more than the cap space benefits, but I also do not want to give up assets to do it.
- jd250


if you have to hold some cap or add a late pick I won't whine about it but I really believe JVR will have a decent season and a playoff team might cough up a pick for him at the TDL
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 24 @ 10:09 AM ET
You use the cap space saved in a number of ways. If there is a short term low cost vet that you think can help temporarily, you do that. Many of the league's teams are in bad cap space. You use the leverage of cap space to acquire future assets if it makes sense to help them with what they need. You save cap space for when hopefully, young players become very good players and need to be extended. Rather than capping out your team to be a bubble teams which is what this incompetent GM and organization wants to do.
- MJL

I like it!
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Jun 24 @ 10:11 AM ET
How abut that sixers draft
- hello it's me 2050

Its a really good move. Its about team building
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 24 @ 10:17 AM ET
I think JVR can be moved pretty easily. If you retain money, getting a 20 goal scorer and someone who can play on the PP for say 3.5-4 million for one year is pretty good.

Also if your team does get him and then you fall short during the season you can still move him at the deadline too to get picks if needed
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
I think JVR can be moved pretty easily. If you retain money, getting a 20 goal scorer and someone who can play on the PP for say 3.5-4 million for one year is pretty good.

Also if your team does get him and then you fall short during the season you can still move him at the deadline too to get picks if needed

- J35Bacher


JVR is a 20-goal scorer who plays on the PP...
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 24 @ 10:25 AM ET
JVR is a 20-goal scorer who plays on the PP...
- Tomahawk

And he scored over 20 goals this past season on one of the worst teams in the league with the worst PP. That has to have some value.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 24 @ 10:29 AM ET
And he scored over 20 goals this past season on one of the worst teams in the league with the worst PP. That has to have some value.
- jd250


I just don't understand the point of eating half his salary just to go out and replace him with a player you hope can do what JVR already does.

Not that you could actually find a 20-goal scorer for $3-4M in UFA anyway... and if you do, they're likely not gonna be a lock for 20-goals like JVR has been, or they'll have many of the same holes in their game that JVR does.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 24 @ 10:43 AM ET
The rumors sound like we’re moving JvR just to move JvR. This isn’t an RJ Umberger situation where the guy is getting paid handsomely but not producing at all.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 24 @ 10:46 AM ET
I like it!
- jd250



If you like it then why did you ask what to do? It's not as if I invented a cutting edge strategy for a team in the Flyers position. Why are you not aware of those approaches? You coach and have played the game.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 24 @ 10:52 AM ET
Have some hope. In general I agree with how you would use the space.
- jd250

This organization doesn't give anyone any hope. Except you. It is arguably the worst run in the NHL.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 24 @ 10:57 AM ET
Its a really good move. Its about team building
- THE BLACK HAND

We shall see, doesn't seem draft picks have much value. They are still not as athletic as other teams. He should help the bench and being 24 is good I suppose.

They got nothing from last years 1st and looks like they will get nothing again this year from Springer. Doc wont play the in house players to see what they have, sounds familiar.....
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 24 @ 10:58 AM ET
And he scored over 20 goals this past season on one of the worst teams in the league with the worst PP. That has to have some value.
- jd250

when were the majority of those goals scored? last 25 games or so?
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 24 @ 11:01 AM ET
This organization doesn't give anyone any hope. Except you. It is arguably the worst run in the NHL.
- hello it's me 2050

I agree with your first sentence. What you followed up with I don’t agree with at all.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 24 @ 11:43 AM ET
I just don't understand the point of eating half his salary just to go out and replace him with a player you hope can do what JVR already does.

Not that you could actually find a 20-goal scorer for $3-4M in UFA anyway... and if you do, they're likely not gonna be a lock for 20-goals like JVR has been, or they'll have many of the same holes in their game that JVR does.

- Tomahawk

To me its more about opening up his roster spot for another young player to get those minutes and PP time. Maybe that's Foerster, or Brink. Its an investment to the Flyers future.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 24 @ 11:43 AM ET
when were the majority of those goals scored? last 25 games or so?
- hello it's me 2050

JVR was streaky, no doubt about that.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 24 @ 11:44 AM ET
If you like it then why did you ask what to do? It's not as if I invented a cutting edge strategy for a team in the Flyers position. Why are you not aware of those approaches? You coach and have played the game.
- MJL

I wanted to hear your opinion of what to do with the Cap space you opened up. In the past you have defended Laughton on this forum as a key piece to a winning team. I agreed with your opinion on Laughton. Now you are willing to let him go to free up cap space, so I wanted to understand what you were going to do with that cap space. That's all.
bradster
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.18.2009

Jun 24 @ 11:46 AM ET
A top-11 pick on a guy who had just 9 major junior points up to that point.... quite a leap of faith. Either the Flyers scouts were all punch drunk on his potential, or Homer got tunnel vision.
- Tomahawk


theres good video of that draft in the flyers meeting room, basically homer stuck his head in and asked the scouts the plan, and they switched to morin from whoever they were targeting, and he said quit flip flopping and make up your mind. So he left it to the scouts to do their job. I think Pryor was at the head of it.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 24 @ 11:47 AM ET
I agree with your first sentence. What you followed up with I don’t agree with at all.
- SuperSchennBros

So the organization is not the worst run in the league but yet you still have no hope? I am willing to wait and see what happens this off season before I determine what hope I have in the future.
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