You are not correct. There was a turnover at the left side at the blue line. Sanheim was not involved in that. Laughton recovered the puck and made a poor pass. You can never count on the puck coming off the boards cleanly anywhere. Sanheim had no fault whatsoever on that goal.
- MJL

OK I just watched the entire sequence again. First Eric Haula easily bumped Sanheim off the puck in the right corner and got the puck to the point (bad play 1). A shot went wide and up the left boards where Cates should have easily been able to get the puck and carry it out, but instead got his pocket picked by Pastrnak (bad play 2) which caused the puck to come back to Laughton, who threw a sloppy pass over to Sanheim (bad play 3) which caromed off the boards past Sanheim to a Bruins forward who passed across to a wide open Pastrnak in the high slot for the shot and goal. So though I think Laughton and Cates were both more liable for that goal, I didn't think Sanheim played very were there either.

Are you talking about Giroux?

yes I think Markov was a good return. No doubt about it. He play showed that.
- hello it's me 2050

No, I am talking about Carter. Also, Danny Markov played 34 games for us and was out of the NHL by 07. Williams played until 2020 and is likely going into the HOF. Are you sure about your views?

is Jake hurt? I didn't see him on the roster for the Jackets

You share in the mindsight of the Flyers and that mindset is why they're a poor team. The job of player development is to help the players succeed and grow. That mindset does not do that.
- MJL

Yes, but players have to show they want it. Has Frost demonstrated to you that he wants it?

No, I am talking about Carter.
- iamscore2day

You are going in diff directions. Carter was not traded because he didn't produce or was underachieving. He didn't go on elsewhere to have great career because the flyers gave up on him.

He was very good here. For whatever reason the flyers went in a new direction and made a hockey trade. He was not given away

I actually listen to them when they speak. They are not sugar coating this, or making excuses, at least not that I have ever heard. I mean Fletcher came right out and said the Flyers do not have the personnel needed to have successful PP. Yeo has come out repeatedly and talked about the bad habits on this team and the lack of preparation and readiness. The more I hear Yeo, the more I think he gets it.

With Clarke, look, he bleeds orange and black and he is frustrated with the state of the team, and it appears he has a lot of lingering animosity towards Hextall. I agree airing his views publicly was not appropriate, but to be honest, I loved it! It at least tells me he gives a bleep, and I am sure he is not the only one.
- jd250

he traded an important PP producer in Jake. Your caterwauling about Risto is that he put up pts in Buffalo. He was PP1 QB. That he had offensive acumen. Hes not used that way here. SO is it coaching, inability or both. Either way, Fletch saying that is incredibly stupid because hes the one that created the situation by Coaching hires and player acquisition.


The more they talk, much like the way that the more you type, the dumber i get

No, I am talking about Carter. Also, Danny Markov played 34 games for us and was out of the NHL by 07. Williams played until 2020 and is likely going into the HOF. Are you sure about your views?
- iamscore2day

Who cares he was out of the NHL by 2007. It was a good trade. Markov came here and did the job he was acquired to do.

Clarke messed up by not resigning Markov and going with Hatcher instead.

So you go by what they say rather than looking at what they actually do or have done? Makes sense.
You and I and everyone else knows the Flyers don't have the players they need. Hey, we can all be GM's


Wow, Yeo gets it. The question is what can he do about it. Why don't you get that?

Oh cool, Clarke gives a bleep. I love Clarke and love all that he has done for this team but now, Clarke should be shown the bleeping door.
- MJL

Get what?? Players either are professional and ready to play or they are not. What do you think Yeo can really do, other than continue to stress key points, either the players respond or they don't. What we have learned from this group is that if they do decide to respond, its only for a little while and then they go right back to what they were before. Keep changing coaches and nothing will ever really change, they will play a little better and then go right back to how they played before. It happened with AV after his 1st year, and its already happened with Yeo after a handful of games. The players must be fired and replaced, starting with Captain Comfortable. Only then will we see real change.

You are going in diff directions. Carter was not traded because he didn't produce or was underachieving. He didn't go on elsewhere to have great career because the flyers gave up on him.

He was very good here. For whatever reason the flyers went in a new direction and made a hockey trade. He was not given away
- hello it's me 2050

It is part of a broader criticism of our talent management process. We decided we would be better without him than with him. I agree it was not that he could not play, it was that we thought we would be better without him and adding someone else. That decision was flat-out wrong. Think about a team with him, Giroux, Justin Williams, Patrick Sharp and Maroon. How many of them would be difference makers? Based on what they did once they left: all of them. That is my point.

OK I just watched the entire sequence again. First Eric Haula easily bumped Sanheim off the puck in the right corner and got the puck to the point (bad play 1). A shot went wide and up the left boards where Cates should have easily been able to get the puck and carry it out, but instead got his pocket picked by Pastrnak (bad play 2) which caused the puck to come back to Laughton, who threw a sloppy pass over to Sanheim (bad play 3) which caromed off the boards past Sanheim to a Bruins forward who passed across to a wide open Pastrnak in the high slot for the shot and goal. So though I think Laughton and Cates were both more liable for that goal, I didn't think Sanheim played very were there either.
- jd250

Sanheim had zero fault on that goal. Laughton had clear possession of the puck with little pressure on him. He botched the cross ice pass. Sanheim had zero chance to recover there the way the puck came off.

Who cares he was out of the NHL by 2007. It was a good trade. Markov came here and did the job he was acquired to do.

Clarke messed up by not resigning Markov and going with Hatcher instead.
- hello it's me 2050

You shouldn't complain about the current flyers management if you are okay with that trade.

he traded an important PP producer in Jake. Your caterwauling about Risto is that he put up pts in Buffalo. He was PP1 QB. That he had offensive acumen. Hes not used that way here. SO is it coaching, inability or both. Either way, Fletch saying that is incredibly stupid because hes the one that created the situation by Coaching hires and player acquisition.


The more they talk, much like the way that the more you type, the dumber i get
- THE BLACK HAND

UNSHUN
I got news for you, your wasting your gum!
RESHUN

Get what?? Players either are professional and ready to play or they are not. What do you think Yeo can really do, other than continue to stress key points, either the players respond or they don't. What we have learned from this group is that if they do decide to respond, its only for a little while and then they go right back to what they were before. Keep changing coaches and nothing will ever really change, they will play a little better and then go right back to how they played before. It happened with AV after his 1st year, and its already happened with Yeo after a handful of games. The players must be fired and replaced, starting with Captain Comfortable. Only then will we see real change.
- jd250

Get what?? Players either are professional and ready to play or they are not. What do you think Yeo can really do, other than continue to stress key points, either the players respond or they don't. What we have learned from this group is that if they do decide to respond, its only for a little while and then they go right back to what they were before. Keep changing coaches and nothing will ever really change, they will play a little better and then go right back to how they played before. It happened with AV after his 1st year, and its already happened with Yeo after a handful of games. The players must be fired and replaced, starting with Captain Comfortable. Only then will we see real change.
- jd250

Get what? Get that Yeo has been part of a coaching staff that didn't improve anything in a season and a half and hasn't improved anything since taking over.

This team doesn't need to just change coaches. It needs to purge the entire hockey department including any influence coming from alumni and bring in someone in touch with the modern day NHL.

The players must be fired is a ridiculous statement. Can't happen and won't happen. Now you're using the rhetoric of fools.

Sanheim had zero fault on that goal. Laughton had clear possession of the puck with little pressure on him. He botched the cross ice pass. Sanheim had zero chance to recover there the way the puck came off.
- MJL

Its the plays that lead up to the Laughton errand pass that I just highlighted for you. Laughton never gets the puck in the first place if either a. Sanheim wins the puck from Haula or b. Cates makes a simple play at the blue line.

Are you actually going to defend Travis Sanheim as a good defenseman in this league now? How many times do you need to see him get raped in front of his own net by Bergeron before you realize what this chump is?

It is part of a broader criticism of our talent management process. We decided we would be better without him than with him. I agree it was not that he could not play, it was that we thought we would be better without him and adding someone else. That decision was flat-out wrong. Think about a team with him, Giroux, Justin Williams, Patrick Sharp and Maroon. How many of them would be difference makers? Based on what they did once they left: all of them. That is my point.
- iamscore2day

it was the right move for that team at that time. The dcorps was destroyed by the time they played TB in the ECF. They win that series, they win the Cup and it doesnt matter what williams Career turns into

Its like when Dallas traded Iginla for Joe Nueindyk....but Dallas won the Cup

It is part of a broader criticism of our talent management process. We decided we would be better without him than with him. I agree it was not that he could not play, it was that we thought we would be better without him and adding someone else. That decision was flat-out wrong. Think about a team with him, Giroux, Justin Williams, Patrick Sharp and Maroon. How many of them would be difference makers? Based on what they did once they left: all of them. That is my point.
- iamscore2day

I wouldn't call Maroon a difference maker. Williams was traded for Markov because the Flyers were in a playoff run and Desjardins and other defenseman were hurt. The Flyers were desperate for defense.

It is part of a broader criticism of our talent management process. We decided we would be better without him than with him. I agree it was not that he could not play, it was that we thought we would be better without him and adding someone else. That decision was flat-out wrong. Think about a team with him, Giroux, Justin Williams, Patrick Sharp and Maroon. How many of them would be difference makers? Based on what they did once they left: all of them. That is my point.
- iamscore2day

So you are never supposed to make trades then?

Its the plays that lead up to the Laughton errand pass that I just highlighted for you. Laughton never gets the puck in the first place if either a. Sanheim wins the puck from Haula or b. Cates makes a simple play at the blue line.

Are you actually going to defend Travis Sanheim as a good defenseman in this league now? How many times do you need to see him get raped in front of his own net by Bergeron before you realize what this chump is?
- jd250

Laughton has clear possession of the puck with no pressure. Make the routine cross ice pass. Play over.

You shouldn't complain about the current flyers management if you are okay with that trade.
- iamscore2day

ok why is that?

Get what? Get that Yeo has been part of a coaching staff that didn't improve anything in a season and a half and hasn't improved anything since taking over.

This team doesn't need to just change coaches. It needs to purge the entire hockey department including any influence coming from alumni and bring in someone in touch with the modern day NHL.

The players much be fired is a ridiculous statement. Can't happen and won't happen. Now you're using the rhetoric of fools.
- MJL

IMO no coaching staff can fix this current group. They are uncoachable! And I think you are very naïve if you think the entire hockey department will get purged. The best you can hope for is Fletcher hires a GM to bring in more outside influence, and I already identified Stacey Roest from Tampa to be that person since he also heads player development at Tampa and clearly knows how to do it. So you retire Homer, make Fletcher president of Operations, and Roest as GM and director of player development. Keep Flahr as your director of amateur scouting.

Get what? Get that Yeo has been part of a coaching staff that didn't improve anything in a season and a half and hasn't improved anything since taking over.

This team doesn't need to just change coaches. It needs to purge the entire hockey department including any influence coming from alumni and bring in someone in touch with the modern day NHL.

The players must be fired is a ridiculous statement. Can't happen and won't happen. Now you're using the rhetoric of fools.
- MJL

Your digs at Clarke are amusing. Still cant accept what he said.

Laughton has clear possession of the puck with no pressure. Make the routine cross ice pass. Play over.
- MJL

Laughton- core important player

Laughton has clear possession of the puck with no pressure. Make the routine cross ice pass. Play over.
- MJL

If Sanheim beats Haula to the puck, play over. If Cates collects the puck along the boards, play over.

IMO no coaching staff can fix this current group. They are uncoachable! And I think you are very naïve if you think the entire hockey department will get purged. The best you can hope for is Fletcher hires a GM to bring in more outside influence, and I already identified Stacey Roest from Tampa to be that person since he also heads player development at Tampa and clearly knows how to do it. So you retire Homer, make Fletcher president of Operations, and Roest as GM and director of player development. Keep Flahr as your director of amateur scouting.
- jd250

I didn't state that the coaching staff needs to fix this current group. I said that they haven't improved anything and show no signs of being able to do so.
I also didn't say that the entire hockey department will get purged. I said it needs to.
Fletcher is the GM. He's not going to hire a GM. Fletcher doesn't belong belng president of anything on a hockey team.