I’m still willing to bet they don’t do much even at the deadline
- Dozzer

Depends who’s available and the cost

Yup, he’s the one they’re guaranteed not to lose.

I’m truly hoping they find a taker for Mikheyev quickly so they can keep Liljegren with the leafs and not have him with the marlies only being brought up to cover injuries
- Dozzer

I really like Mikheyev but since he apparently asked to be traded, I've no problem trading him.

And I've made it clear over the years how much I love Liljegren, so I'd for sure make the necessary moves to keep him in the lineup.

No one will take Ritchie (who leads the team in hits) and they’re never going to trade their most versatile forward. He can play both offensive and defensive roles at C or the the wing. Also tied for 5th in team scoring.
- Dozzer

JT Miller is just as versatile (he can play C/LW) and he's a much better player than Kerf by every possible metric.

Ritchie is NOT untradeable (he leads the team in hits). The Leafs can sweeten the pot with an assortment of 1sts and prospects (Robertson, Amirov, Niemela, etc.).

It would be costly - I said as much in my original post - but it could be done. Miller would be a pitch perfect player on this squad.

And yes, he has term so something would have to give in the off-season... but that's something to worry about next year.

Kerf’s play the last bit makes him tough to trade.

Sandin > Lily, both playing well but Sandin’s #’s are better right across the board…both have good #’s so I’m not knocking either one….I think they’re both a little soft and get beat with speed but so do Holl/Muzzin.


GLG
- Garnie

Doesn't it actually make him easier to trade?

JT Miller is just as versatile (he can play C/LW) and he's a much better player than Kerf by every possible metric.

Ritchie is NOT untradeable (he leads the team in hits). The Leafs can sweeten the pot with an assortment of 1sts and prospects (Robertson, Amirov, Niemela, etc.).

It would be costly - I said as much in my original post - but it could be done. Miller would be a pitch perfect player on this squad.

And yes, he has term so something would have to give in the off-season... but that's something to worry about next year.
- mjones242

You better run the options past Roger 1st

Doesn't it actually make him easier to trade?
- mjones242

Not if the guy coming back earns more and puts up similiar #’s. If we get a guy that blows him out of the water then by all means….yes.

Depends who’s available and the cost
- Garnie

Please remember the leafs only have the 1st and 2nd pick for this upcoming draft.

Other teams will easily offer more for anyone worth it rather easily

Please remember the leafs only have the 1st and 2nd pick for this upcoming draft.

Other teams will easily offer more for anyone worth it rather easily
- Dozzer

Lots of variables and still lots of games

Who knows, it’s a Leafs go for it Year again so I’m sure all options are going to be explored to make the team better if possible.

I really like Mikheyev but since he apparently asked to be traded, I've no problem trading him.

And I've made it clear over the years how much I love Liljegren, so I'd for sure make the necessary moves to keep him in the lineup.
- GreatGigInTheSky

I’m hoping the leafs show him off and move him for a mid round pick tbh. Right now I’m willing to bet he’s no more than future considerations just like Clifford

Not if the guy coming back earns more and puts up similiar #’s. If we get a guy that blows him out of the water then by all means….yes.
- Garnie

Well, that's the ticket, isn't it? We'd want to be trading for a guy who is demonstrably better than what Kerfoot is.

Handled in the off-season. Not trades. That’s not how cup contenders work.
- Dozzer

I agree

I’m hoping the leafs show him off and move him for a mid round pick tbh. Right now I’m willing to bet he’s no more than future considerations just like Clifford
- Dozzer

I think he’s got a little more value then that, not going to wager on how much more but…🤣😑

You better run the options past Roger 1st
- Garnie

Is there an option where I can avoid that?

JT Miller is just as versatile (he can play C/LW) and he's a much better player than Kerf by every possible metric.

Ritchie is NOT untradeable (he leads the team in hits). The Leafs can sweeten the pot with an assortment of 1sts and prospects (Robertson, Amirov, Niemela, etc.).

It would be costly - I said as much in my original post - but it could be done. Miller would be a pitch perfect player on this squad.

And yes, he has term so something would have to give in the off-season... but that's something to worry about next year.
- mjones242

JT Miller is top 6 only and isn’t a checking line guy so no, he’s not as variable as Kerfoot.

And even the names your mentioning isn’t even close to what teams like the devils are being rumoured to pay. That and the leafs simply cannot afford his contract til it’s done. Resigning Campbell, Sandin, and Liljegren alone this year makes Miller impossible to get since he’s signed til the end of next year.

I think he’s got a little more value then that, not going to wager on how much more but…🤣😑
- Garnie

Nobody is going to pay anything for a guy who lost over half his production after one injury til they see where he’s at after the 2nd. Especially not at what he costs salary wise

Well, that's the ticket, isn't it? We'd want to be trading for a guy who is demonstrably better than what Kerfoot is.
- mjones242

Enough to move multiple pieces, yes.

Is there an option where I can avoid that?
- mjones242

Yes but be careful

I’m hoping the leafs show him off and move him for a mid round pick tbh. Right now I’m willing to bet he’s no more than future considerations just like Clifford
- Dozzer

Would be nice. That's my hope for why Holl is still playing despite being ass. A showcase and hope a team bites.

I think Mikheyev is for sure worth more than Clifford. He's an NHL player still and Clifford really isn't.

Nobody is going to pay anything for a guy who lost over half his production after one injury til they see where he’s at after the 2nd. Especially not at what he costs salary wise
- Dozzer

We’ll see, play him a few games. The guy is fast and usually moves the puck into the ozone pretty easily…just need to give him some scoring linemates.

Would be nice. That's my hope for why Holl is still playing despite being ass. A showcase and hope a team bites.

I think Mikheyev is for sure worth more than Clifford. He's an NHL player still and Clifford really isn't.
- GreatGigInTheSky

If I was another GM I’d want proof on where this second major injury has left him before making a deal tho. If his skill dropped down as much as after the first injury he’s essentially nothing more than a speedy AHLer

repost..Jays talk

Good signing by the Jays, I dont think they will wont miss with Gausman <> Ray
thier numbers are really similar. G might be a better bet over 5

they could also just sign Ray and then who cares.

the will probably go to the trade route to replace Semien.. A's? ..Clevland?

Go Jays
- senstroll

Ya, options. Easiest guess is they've got their arms set and will sign a big dollar IF (Bryant, Story, or Baez). But, they could instead sign an OF and then deal some pieces for the IF. They're in a good place either way.

We’ll see, play him a few games. The guy is fast and usually moves the puck into the ozone pretty easily…just need to give him some scoring linemates.
- Garnie

Yup, hopefully he plays well enough to get a decent return. It’s either move him or someone like Holl so they can have at least 13 forwards and 7 d men with the team. Otherwise keeping him means Liljegren will mostly spend the remainder of the year with the marlies due to cap restraint. And no, I don’t want to see that to be clear lol

JT Miller is top 6 only and isn’t a checking line guy so no, he’s not as variable as Kerfoot.

And even the names your mentioning isn’t even close to what teams like the devils are being rumoured to pay. That and the leafs simply cannot afford his contract til it’s done. Resigning Campbell, Sandin, and Liljegren alone this year makes Miller impossible to get since he’s signed til the end of next year.
- Dozzer

We don't need Miller to be a 3C. He can easily shift from 2LW to 2C if there is a need (e.g. AM34 or Snake goes down). We already have Kampf at 3C as our "checking line guy" so I'm not especially worried about that aspect of versatility. If Kampf goes down, Engvall can step in to play 3C.

Who exactly are the Devils offering that the Leafs couldn't match?

As per the off-season, Kessel's 1.2M is off the books and the cap is projected to be going up by 1M so already you have 2.2M to work with. With Kerf gone you now have 5.7M. If you're able to move Ritchie you now have another 2.5M off the books, etc. How about Mrazek? You trade him and now you have another 3.8M.

Hell, the Leafs could go nuclear and trade one of the Core 4 (Marner?). There's so many variables and possibilities that could make things work.

Geez.

JT Miller is top 6 only and isn’t a checking line guy so no, he’s not as variable as Kerfoot.

And even the names your mentioning isn’t even close to what teams like the devils are being rumoured to pay. That and the leafs simply cannot afford his contract til it’s done. Resigning Campbell, Sandin, and Liljegren alone this year makes Miller impossible to get since he’s signed til the end of next year.
- Dozzer

You bring up a good point, Liljegren and Sandin are both up for RFA deals next year. The Leafs probably would have to be careful what they offer these two even without significant NHL experience. The compensation for an offer sheet under $2.055364 is only a 3rd round pick. The draft and July 2022 might be a pretty big challenge for the Leafs.

If I was another GM I’d want proof on where this second major injury has left him before making a deal tho. If his skill dropped down as much as after the first injury he’s essentially nothing more than a speedy AHLer
- Dozzer

Makes sense