One of my favorite plays last night was seeing Cat and Seth Jones on a 2 on 1 last night and not even able to get a shot on goal.
- BetweenTheDots

The horrors!

https://twitter.com/Chi_P.../1465112962201436167?s=01

So i guess if you can survive the AHL you can survive the NHL

https://twitter.com/Chi_Prospects/status/1465112962201436167?s=01

So i guess if you can survive the AHL you can survive the NHL
- BetweenTheDots

Was there a penalty called on that play? It was hard to see if the ref there had his arm up.

One of my favorite plays last night was seeing Cat and Seth Jones on a 2 on 1 last night and not even able to get a shot on goal.
- BetweenTheDots

Blame ADB. He has the better shot and deferred.

https://twitter.com/Chi_Prospects/status/1465112962201436167?s=01

So i guess if you can survive the AHL you can survive the NHL
- BetweenTheDots

That looked rough all three times it's been posted.

One of my favorite plays last night was seeing Cat and Seth Jones on a 2 on 1 last night and not even able to get a shot on goal.
- BetweenTheDots

As an alleged Blackhawk fan your favorite play was one that they failed on? Not sure I understand why you like the Blackhawks?

Blame ADB. He has the better shot and deferred.
- Chunk

I still think it's on Murph.

I still think it's on Murph.
- mohel

I’m certain it has something to do with how JC coached.

(...)

SB went and got Strome and Connely and neither can break the lineup, so $6.5mil of wasted cap. You grab Johnson at $5mil per for the next 3 years, is he a $5mil a year player? Heck, i'm not a huge Saad fan, but Saad @ $4.5 for the next 5 seems like a better deal than Johnson. I think S. Jones is fine, he is at a level that Boqvist will never get to. Did they give up too much and is his contract too much? maybe a little, but not horrible considering the comps others signed for.

They need to make a decision soon on whether the belief is still that they can be a playoff team this year. If not, get what you can for Carpenter, Fleury, Johnson, Connelly and whichever of the other interchangeable 4th liners littering the roster. If Strome isn't gonna play, cut bait already, use the roster spot to give shots to Rockford guys.
- TheTrob

Okay, now that I am comfy in my GM armchair here...

Connolly was not the feature of that trade. His contract was the price for getting Stillman and Borgstrom. If he were tradable, he wouldn't have ended up in Rockford. Worst case, he gets bought out this summer and it costs ~$1.17 mill per for the next two seasons.

I was surprised about the Tyler Johnson acquisition. We also got a 2nd, and in exchange, Seabrook's contract went the other way. If he gets bought out next summer, this is how it would look: https://www.capfriendly.c...-calculator/tyler-johnson We know Bowman had sought him for years already. I was concerned that his best years were behind him, and that the Tampa cachet inflated his price tag. Was there a better way to get rid of Seabrook's contract? That's the big question. Aside from Buffalo in the near term, not much in the way of true salary floor teams today. Bowman had to know it was either he establishes himself here, or gets bought out. No chance of moving the contract, because Tampa would have gotten more otherwise.

They better hope there is a huge demand for playmaking centers at the deadline, because that's probably the only way the Hawks get any real return for Strome. Otherwise it will look a bit like how they moved Zadorov last summer is my guess. I don't think the trade for him was necessarily a bad idea at the time. Reuniting him with ADB was intriguing, and Schmaltz signed his ticket out when he refused to take the hit to make the play in a game just prior to the trade. I guess the question would have been what could they have gotten for Schmaltz. That unwillingness to take the hit to make the play had to have turned off a few GM's, regardless of what he looked like on paper at the time.

I don't think they had a chance to get Saad as a FA signing. Especially when it wasn't clear if/when Toews was coming back.

I believe they have a handshake of sorts with Fleury in that he has to approve a trade, as he has already moved his family here. I'm sure there will be inquiries.

As for Carpenter and other placeholders, sure, whatever they can get. Not sure there is a market, given that they couldn't get anything for Gaudette. Which means that we gave up Highmore for nothing.

I still think it's on Murph.
- mohel

I want to go back to blaming Seabrook.

From Powers in The Athletic:

Those are the struggles from a team perspective. At an individual level, it’s just as bad. Jonathan Toews doesn’t have a goal in 21 games this season. Dominik Kubalik hasn’t scored in his past 15 games. Kirby Dach’s slump is at 14 games. Patrick Kane has one goal in his past 10 games. Seven players without a goal this season were in the lineup Sunday.
In the past 10 games, the Blackhawks have scored 19 goals, and 14 of those have been accounted for by Alex DeBrincat (six), Brandon Hagel (four), Jujhar Khaira (two) and Seth Jones (two).

And the top prospect (only potential top-6 prospect in the system?) in Rockfish was almost carried off of the ice last nite after a bad hit into the boards.
- StLBravesFan

Tallon will fix everything.

Tallon will fix everything.

- rpeters01

I dunno, this situation screams out for Pully.

Who was the Blackhawks scout keeping tabs on at the Canucks-Bruins game last night?
- stutzblackhawks

If there’s one team in worse shape than the Blackhawks it’s the Canucks (at least on-ice).

Got my last chance cyber Monday deal from the Blackhawks, $25 food or beverage credit, what a deal

I want to go back to blaming Seabrook.
- Chunk

I never stopped.

We are now really starting to see the effects of Bowmans inability to pick a lane and stay in it. Overall, it is just a poorly constructed roster. You wanna be a skilled possession team with mobile, puck moving, offensive defenseman, fine, fill those roles. You wanna be a defensive minded club that capitalizes on a few opportunities and plays shut-down defense, ok, fill those roles. What Bowman did was try and play both sides of the equation and they are nothing. A bunch of mismatched pieces that struggle with one side or the other. Push the offense and they struggle defensively, tighten up the D and they struggle offensively.

SB went and got Strome and Connely and neither can break the lineup, so $6.5mil of wasted cap. You grab Johnson at $5mil per for the next 3 years, is he a $5mil a year player? Heck, i'm not a huge Saad fan, but Saad @ $4.5 for the next 5 seems like a better deal than Johnson. I think S. Jones is fine, he is at a level that Boqvist will never get to. Did they give up too much and is his contract too much? maybe a little, but not horrible considering the comps others signed for.

They need to make a decision soon on whether the belief is still that they can be a playoff team this year. If not, get what you can for Carpenter, Fleury, Johnson, Connelly and whichever of the other interchangeable 4th liners littering the roster. If Strome isn't gonna play, cut bait already, use the roster spot to give shots to Rockford guys.
- TheTrob

To be fair, S. Jones, McCabe (now that he's getting his legs under him) and Murphy is a decent group to anchor the blue line.

I do not understand why Kalynuk is not playing over Gus (or de Haan for that matter). You'd think you would give the guy that is in the 'plan' the minutes rather than the place holder - especially with how this year is most likely going to end up.

The forward group is rough. Dach was more noticeable the last few games which is good. I think being away from Kane helps but Toews and Kubalik providing zero secondary scoring is no bueno.

One of Strome, Gaudette (obviously) or Borgstrom (though he has been injured) have not taken advantage of opportunities. Pretty classic throw poop on the wall to see what sticks - which in this case is zero at the moment.

Connelly would be worth giving a look over Hardman or Johnson at this stage. Not a lot to lose there and if someone picks him up off waivers if they decide to send him back down - all the better.

That being said - a big issue is the Hawks not being able to identify any talent let alone the right talent. Their pro scouting has been very bad and their drafting of talent from US or Canada with the exception of DeBrincat has been pretty poor. They've had decent luck with European players but otherwise their talent evaluation is pretty poop.

They will need to get their front office situation sorted out before doing a whole lot personnel wise and hopefully that starts before the turn of the year. Ideally they would have a president of hockey ops hired in the next 3-5 weeks and then a permanent GM by the end of February.

To be fair, S. Jones, McCabe (now that he's getting his legs under him) and Murphy is a decent group to anchor the blue line.

I do not understand why Kalynuk is not playing over Gus (or de Haan for that matter). You'd think you would give the guy that is in the 'plan' the minutes rather than the place holder - especially with how this year is most likely going to end up.

The forward group is rough. Dach was more noticeable the last few games which is good. I think being away from Kane helps but Toews and Kubalik providing zero secondary scoring is no bueno.

One of Strome, Gaudette (obviously) or Borgstrom (though he has been injured) have not taken advantage of opportunities. Pretty classic throw poop on the wall to see what sticks - which in this case is zero at the moment.

Connelly would be worth giving a look over Hardman or Johnson at this stage. Not a lot to lose there and if someone picks him up off waivers if they decide to send him back down - all the better.

That being said - a big issue is the Hawks not being able to identify any talent let alone the right talent. Their pro scouting has been very bad and their drafting of talent from US or Canada with the exception of DeBrincat has been pretty poor. They've had decent luck with European players but otherwise their talent evaluation is pretty poop.

They will need to get their front office situation sorted out before doing a whole lot personnel wise and hopefully that starts before the turn of the year. Ideally they would have a president of hockey ops hired in the next 3-5 weeks and then a permanent GM by the end of February.
- fattybeef

Is it their eye for/evaluation of talent or inability to take the proper steps to develop young talent once drafted/acquired? Is it their impatience in not letting players develop before giving up on them? Were too many of them rushed for PR purposes(?) rather than putting them in the best position to develop their talents? Both a GM team failing, but different issues.

Default assumption on the board is that Davidson won't be the permanent GM and I agree that's probably best. Not sure I'm confident in someone who learned at the foot of StanBo and his crew being the person to set the future direction for the franchise, particularly because we don't know how much of the current situation he influenced while in his role.

We are now really starting to see the effects of Bowmans inability to pick a lane and stay in it. Overall, it is just a poorly constructed roster. You wanna be a skilled possession team with mobile, puck moving, offensive defenseman, fine, fill those roles. You wanna be a defensive minded club that capitalizes on a few opportunities and plays shut-down defense, ok, fill those roles. What Bowman did was try and play both sides of the equation and they are nothing. A bunch of mismatched pieces that struggle with one side or the other. Push the offense and they struggle defensively, tighten up the D and they struggle offensively.

SB went and got Strome and Connely and neither can break the lineup, so $6.5mil of wasted cap. You grab Johnson at $5mil per for the next 3 years, is he a $5mil a year player? Heck, i'm not a huge Saad fan, but Saad @ $4.5 for the next 5 seems like a better deal than Johnson. I think S. Jones is fine, he is at a level that Boqvist will never get to. Did they give up too much and is his contract too much? maybe a little, but not horrible considering the comps others signed for.

They need to make a decision soon on whether the belief is still that they can be a playoff team this year. If not, get what you can for Carpenter, Fleury, Johnson, Connelly and whichever of the other interchangeable 4th liners littering the roster. If Strome isn't gonna play, cut bait already, use the roster spot to give shots to Rockford guys.
- TheTrob

Lots of good stuff here. That's the reason they need to hire a Director of Hockey operations soon. They've got the next 60 games to figure out what they have, plus determine what they're going to do at the deadline and the off season.

Okay, now that I am comfy in my GM armchair here...

Connolly was not the feature of that trade. His contract was the price for getting Stillman and Borgstrom. If he were tradable, he wouldn't have ended up in Rockford. Worst case, he gets bought out this summer and it costs ~$1.17 mill per for the next two seasons.

I was surprised about the Tyler Johnson acquisition. We also got a 2nd, and in exchange, Seabrook's contract went the other way. If he gets bought out next summer, this is how it would look: https://www.capfriendly.c...-calculator/tyler-johnson We know Bowman had sought him for years already. I was concerned that his best years were behind him, and that the Tampa cachet inflated his price tag. Was there a better way to get rid of Seabrook's contract? That's the big question. Aside from Buffalo in the near term, not much in the way of true salary floor teams today. Bowman had to know it was either he establishes himself here, or gets bought out. No chance of moving the contract, because Tampa would have gotten more otherwise.

They better hope there is a huge demand for playmaking centers at the deadline, because that's probably the only way the Hawks get any real return for Strome. Otherwise it will look a bit like how they moved Zadorov last summer is my guess. I don't think the trade for him was necessarily a bad idea at the time. Reuniting him with ADB was intriguing, and Schmaltz signed his ticket out when he refused to take the hit to make the play in a game just prior to the trade. I guess the question would have been what could they have gotten for Schmaltz. That unwillingness to take the hit to make the play had to have turned off a few GM's, regardless of what he looked like on paper at the time.

I don't think they had a chance to get Saad as a FA signing. Especially when it wasn't clear if/when Toews was coming back.

I believe they have a handshake of sorts with Fleury in that he has to approve a trade, as he has already moved his family here. I'm sure there will be inquiries.

As for Carpenter and other placeholders, sure, whatever they can get. Not sure there is a market, given that they couldn't get anything for Gaudette. Which means that we gave up Highmore for nothing.
- 333inthe3rd

Not like Schmaltz has proven he's a better player than Strome either. Both had career years playing with Kane and both have had some injuries recently that may have held them back.

That one is a wash but Strome's expiring 3 million is better than the 6 schmaltz got.

Also - this we have to get stuff for guys mentality is kind of ridiculous. Cap space is enough of a commodity and they'll have close to 20 million off the books with de Haan, Strome, Flurey and Shaw's money gonzo. And its not like Kubalik will get a raise if they want to bring him back.

Dach isn't making an argument for a big deal so its not like he will break the bank. They'll have flexibility to add next year if they want or they can sit on being pretty bad and hopefully be in a good spot for he 2023 1st round pick.

Got my last chance cyber Monday deal from the Blackhawks, $25 food or beverage credit, what a deal
- BetweenTheDots

Desperation is a stinky cologne

Got my last chance cyber Monday deal from the Blackhawks, $25 food or beverage credit, what a deal
- BetweenTheDots

$25 gets you a popcorn and small Coke.

Is it their eye for/evaluation of talent or inability to take the proper steps to develop young talent once drafted/acquired? Is it their impatience in not letting players develop before giving up on them? Were too many of them rushed for PR purposes(?) rather than putting them in the best position to develop their talents? Both a GM team failing, but different issues.

Default assumption on the board is that Davidson won't be the permanent GM and I agree that's probably best. Not sure I'm confident in someone who learned at the foot of StanBo and his crew being the person to set the future direction for the franchise, particularly because we don't know how much of the current situation he influenced while in his role.
- pdx2ord

Yeah, what did that crew ever do? Good Lord.....

https://www.prohockeyrumo...has-multiple-options.html

E. Kane clears waivers.

D. Strome and a 2022 5th for E. Kane and 50% retained.

Hawks finally get a power forward for Toews.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...has-multiple-options.html

E. Kane clears waivers.

D. Strome and a 2022 5th for E. Kane and 50% retained.

Hawks finally get a power forward for Toews.
- Rota's Rooter

I don’t see any potential problems acquiring Evander Kane.
#giterdonekyle

https://www.prohockeyrumo...has-multiple-options.html

E. Kane clears waivers.

D. Strome and a 2022 5th for E. Kane and 50% retained.

Hawks finally get a power forward for Toews.
- Rota's Rooter

I'm sure you're joking, but there is no way in hell the Hawks are remotely interested in Kane after the PR crapstorm they are currently dealing with.