If that's your belief on how chances work you should never get involved in gambling. I got you to agree on the math part yesterday, let's just let this sleeping dog lie
- Takemedrunkimhome

*pets again*

but chances are they'll find someone just as competent in that French speaking 10%... so I really don't find that saying it doesn’t hurt the team all that much in the end is disingenuous.
- Pat1993

Find 5 French candidates that would be clearly better than Gorton for Habs GM?

Because like it or not, Gorton is the GM, just not in title.

Find 5 French candidates that would be clearly better than Gorton for Habs GM?

Because like it or not, Gorton is the GM, just not in title.
- Mashadar

hein? are you saying Molson lied? because that is not at all what he said.

Find 5 French candidates that would be clearly better than Gorton for Habs GM?

Because like it or not, Gorton is the GM, just not in title.
- Mashadar

Derek Seguin

If that's your belief on how chances work you should never get involved in gambling. I got you to agree on the math part yesterday, let's just let this sleeping dog lie
- Takemedrunkimhome

I think your opinion is being skewed by the numbers here, you're talking as if it was a guarantee that there are necessarily far superior candidates who don't speak French, because they represent 90% of the candidates, but that's not how it works.

I'm curious to see what would be your top5 candidates. who are we missing out on exactly? someone posted a list last spring, honestly I didn't know any of them. and none were better candidates (imo) than the top3 french speaking guys.
Gorton was a good candidate. they hired him. who else?
- fidopro

I've made the point before that most fans aren't in the know of up and coming execs around the league because why the (frank) would they be but, for fun and simple math:

Let's say there are 100 candidates.
Let's say of that 100, 5 have the potential to be great.
Let's say of that 100 candidates, 20% (which is likely really high) speak french.
Well, now you have a shot at all of one great candidate, who, like Madden Jr for example, may not even want to come. You can't assume the french speaking GMs see Montreal as their ideal landing spot.

This is how it is limiting. I don't see how anybody can argue this.

Find 5 French candidates that would be clearly better than Gorton for Habs GM?

Because like it or not, Gorton is the GM, just not in title.
- Mashadar

I like the Gorton hiring, not arguing against it at all

I think your opinion is being skewed by the numbers here, you're talking as if it was a guarantee that there are necessarily far superior candidates who don't speak French, because they represent 90% of the candidates, but that's not how it works.
- Pat1993

I'm talking about simple process. You take the majority of candidates out of your potential pool you limit your chances of finding the best option. How this is debatable is beyond me

I've made the point before that most fans aren't in the know of up and coming execs around the league because why the (frank) would they be but, for fun and simple math:

Let's say there are 100 candidates.
Let's say of that 100, 5 have the potential to be great.
Let's say of that 100 candidates, 20% (which is likely really high) speak french.
Well, now you have a shot at all of one great candidate, who, like Madden Jr for example, may not even want to come. You can't assume the french speaking GMs see Montreal as their ideal landing spot.

This is how it is limiting. I don't see how anybody can argue this.
- Takemedrunkimhome

very interesting, but that does not answer my question

very interesting, but that does not answer my question
- fidopro

Ok...if this is your exercise...name me the top 5 execs in every nhl organization and let's go through them.

Or concede the math is on my side and not yours

hein? are you saying Molson lied?
- fidopro

No.

Molson clearly stated Gorton was in charge. Add on top of the fact there is currently no GM (with discussion of maybe waiting til the off-seaon to fill that role).

There is no doubt what Molson is doing here - putting the person he believes is best to run the team in charge of it all, while eventually meeting some random French quota when they announce their next GM (which could be next week or next summer).

*pets again*
- kicksave856

Not sure what the last 20 months or so would have been like without him

Ok...if this is your exercise...name me the top 5 execs in every nhl organization and let's go through them.

Or concede the math is on my side and not yours
- Takemedrunkimhome

I'm not here to solve math problems. but for a few days now many whined that they limit the pool, but I have yet to see 1 single ligit candidate proposition. who is available and clearly better? like I said, Gorton was a good candidate, they hired him. who else is there that would be clearly better than Darche or Madden or the others on the short list? I'm curious.

I'm talking about simple process. You take the majority of candidates out of your potential pool you limit your chances of finding the best option. How this is debatable is beyond me
- Takemedrunkimhome

yup, mathematically you have a smaller pool of people, but in the end the best option you choose from that smaller pool will basically have the same level of competency, hence not really hurting the team. not sure how this is so hard to understand.

No.

Molson clearly stated Gorton was in charge. Add on top of the fact there is currently no GM (with discussion of maybe waiting til the off-seaon to fill that role).

There is no doubt what Molson is doing here - putting the person he believes is best to run the team in charge of it all, while eventually meeting some random French quota when they announce their next GM (which could be next week or next summer).
- Mashadar

he also very clearly said that the next gm will be in charge and accountable for managing the team. that he will have the final word on decisions, after consulting Gorton because they basically splitted MB's job in 2. did you miss that part?

I'm not here to solve math problems. but for a few days now many whined that they limit the pool, but I have yet to see 1 single ligit candiate proposition. who is available and clearly better? like I said, Gorton was a good candidate, they hired him. who else is there that would be clearly better than Darche or Madden or the others on the short list? I'm curious.
- fidopro

This is why a smart hiring process would do a thorough search without language limitations to find the best candidate rather than sourcing it from a hockeybuzz thread...you know...the way major companies and professional organizations tend to do it

This is why a smart hiring process would do a thorough search without language limitations to find the best candidate rather than sourcing it from a hockeybuzz thread...you know...the way major companies and professional organizations tend to do it
- Takemedrunkimhome

i know it's cold now, but let's go get ice cream.

yup, mathematically you have a smaller pool of people, but in the end the best option you choose from that smaller pool will basically have the same level of competency, hence not really hurting the team. not sure how this is so hard to understand.
- Pat1993

Do Chiarelli and Yzerman have the same level of competency? If not then your argument should be in favour of a bigger pool of candidates not a smaller one with the assumption of similar competence. That assumption is crazy

he also very clearly said that the next gm will be in charge and accountable for managing the team. that he will have the final word on decisions, after consulting Gorton. did you miss that part?
- fidopro

Eventually.

Perhaps.

But that will not happen day 1.

Believe what you want to believe, but Gorton will be running the show for a while and whomever is named GM will be given marching orders to execute on, and I expect, with very little autonomy over player movement and drafting.

i know it's cold now, but let's go get ice cream.
- kicksave856

I did a yanksgiving long weekend...I need to rehab my gut for a few days

I did a yanksgiving long weekend...I need to rehab my gut for a few days
- Takemedrunkimhome

i have a wall we can bang our heads against for a while then.

Eventually.

Perhaps.

But that will not happen day 1.

Believe what you want to believe, but Gorton will be running the show for a while and whomever is named GM will be given marching orders to execute on, and I expect, with very little autonomy over player movement and drafting.
- Mashadar

that depends who they hire and when.
and like I said, it's not perhaps. no gm will sign here if it's to be a puppet. and be fired for decisions he didn't make.
looks to me you believe what you want.

To Chiarelli and Yzerman have the same level of competency? If not then your argument should be in favour of a bigger pool of candidates not a smaller one with the assumption of similar competence. That assumption is crazy
- Takemedrunkimhome

meh, personally I wouldn't have the language limitations in place, as I don't care what language they speak, I just find you're portraying the situation as having this huge negative impact on the organization, while it really isn't disastrous at all, and it isn't crazy to assume that they can find someone of similar competence among the francophones

Gorton is the GM in all but name only. They'll hire somebody who speaks french to talk to/placate the media but Gorton is essentially the GM
- Takemedrunkimhome

Every press conference just put him in front of a tablet with a translation app that automatically translates his words with his face on it. It exists. So why not?

i have a wall we can bang our heads against for a while then.
- kicksave856

Naw this debate will be productive and not in any way like the over few thousand times we've had the same debate and changed nobody's minds. I've got a good feeling this time