Question for you guys, but let me preface this by saying I'm not a fan of Kane in the sense I think he's a locker room cancer and a liability on the ice. Yes, he's a beast of a player, but he costs his team with his antics.

It's reported SJ is willing to retain half on Kane. If the Pens were able to send Matheson or Zucker to SJ with 50% retained, do you do it?
- Rinosaur

I really can't stand Matheson, but any team who is literally trying to give a pretty good player away should be all you need know about that player. You never bring a "cancer" into a locker room.

Dejan Kovacevic is reporting the Pens have officially been sold provided the NHL board of governors approve (formality). Both Mario and Burkle remain as a part of the ownership group. Sale price is $900 mil.

Dejan Kovacevic is reporting the Pens have officially been sold provided the NHL board of governors approve (formality). Both Mario and Burkle remain as a part of the ownership group. Sale price is $900 mil.
- madmike71

Good for Mario

Any idea what his % stake in the team was?

EDIT - Mario 40% and Burkle 25% - Mario's 40% stake came from the 32 Million he was owed in 1999 ($5 Million Paid at the time in Cash, $7 Million forgiven, remaining 20 Million in exchange for team equity) In 2007 he was paid 21 Million during a restructure. In the end, Mario lost out on 6 Million in salary in 1999 and it became $380 Million in equity...

I assume he's gonna have to pay some taxes on that too

Good for Mario

Any idea what his % stake in the team was?

EDIT - Mario 40% and Burkle 25% - Mario's 40% stake came from the 20 Million he was owed in 1999

$380 Million? I assume he's gonna have to pay some taxes on that too
- TheGame316

I imagine their shares are much smaller than that. It will be interesting if that's ever disclosed.

I imagine their shares are much smaller than that. It will be interesting if that's ever disclosed.
- madmike71

Burkle + Mario were the majority shareholders. That's why they were always known as the "Owners". Combined they have at least 51%

Burkle + Mario were the majority shareholders. That's why they were always known as the "Owners". Combined they have at least 51%
- TheGame316

I thought you were talking about shares in the new group. As far as the deferred salary that became equity....Hell yeah, he cleaned up. We always see Mario smiling in his appearances. There's a reason for that.

I'd rather DOC dress over ZAR
- Rinosaur

Shocking. I'd just dress him over Simon.
To take ZAR out, you need to identify another defensive forward.

Shocking. I'd just dress him over Simon.
To take ZAR out, you need to identify another defensive forward.
- Tojo.

I don't agree. ZAR is incredible defensively, but he's one player playing on one line 5v5 and taking him out of the lineup doesn't all of a sudden put this team in a shambles defensively. When this team plays as a unit and buys in, they're defensively responsible. Conversely, when this team plays loose hockey, how impactful is his play to the overall team results? Not much.

Having a player who can still play sound hockey, even if it's not to the level of ZAR, while bringing offensive punch doesn't mean they're going to be worse off. I get that he make ONE line stronger. I get that he helps create a very good fourth line, but they're not going to fall apart if DOC takes his place. If DOC can provide a sound 200 foot game while increasing the chances of offensive production than ZAR, you do it with no questions asked.

I don't factor Simon into the equation because we don't know that DOC can play RW.

Good for Mario

Any idea what his % stake in the team was?

EDIT - Mario 40% and Burkle 25% - Mario's 40% stake came from the 32 Million he was owed in 1999 ($5 Million Paid at the time in Cash, $7 Million forgiven, remaining 20 Million in exchange for team equity) In 2007 he was paid 21 Million during a restructure. In the end, Mario lost out on 6 Million in salary in 1999 and it became $380 Million in equity...

I assume he's gonna have to pay some taxes on that too
- TheGame316

If Mario doesn't want to pay taxes on that money, he can give it to me. I'll gladly pay them.

Seriously, the team operated in the red the last two years. A portion of that money is going to pay off debt. He'll be fine.

Shocking. I'd just dress him over Simon.
To take ZAR out, you need to identify another defensive forward.
- Tojo.

ZAR brings an element of toughness this group doesn't possess. He hits people, loves to battle in the corner, and creates confusion in front of the net. We don't have enough of that. On the other hand, he doesn't want the puck on his stick. He treats it like a grenade.

His defense is over rated. He, along with Simon, gets pulled for a second center on defensive zone draws. They also like to run off the ice when offence turns to defense or linger when defense turns to offence. You can add Rodrigues in with that last statement. I'm happy Erod does that, otherwise Kapanen wouldn't have scored the only goal against the Isles.

Has nothing to do with the was Desmith has played but I wanted a 1b starter during the off-season and still do. The superstars are old and we need goaltending. Sucks Rust is out but he's been off ever since the initial injury so heal help Rusty and hopefully Doc comes in motivated.

I really can't stand Matheson, but any team who is literally trying to give a pretty good player away should be all you need know about that player. You never bring a "cancer" into a locker room.
- madmike71

Cancer for sure but I'd do Matheson for Kane half retained if the Pens are going for it the next 3 years. I think the Sharks would get a better offer elsewhere. Could you imagine their D if they did? Karlsson, Burns, Vlassic and Matheson... Yikes.

I'd do Zucker for Kane half retained and a lottery protected 1st.

Worst case for Kane is you just bury him in the minors, not a huge risk at half retained.

I don't agree. ZAR is incredible defensively, but he's one player playing on one line 5v5 and taking him out of the lineup doesn't all of a sudden put this team in a shambles defensively. When this team plays as a unit and buys in, they're defensively responsible. Conversely, when this team plays loose hockey, how impactful is his play to the overall team results? Not much.

Having a player who can still play sound hockey, even if it's not to the level of ZAR, while bringing offensive punch doesn't mean they're going to be worse off. I get that he make ONE line stronger. I get that he helps create a very good fourth line, but they're not going to fall apart if DOC takes his place. If DOC can provide a sound 200 foot game while increasing the chances of offensive production than ZAR, you do it with no questions asked.

I don't factor Simon into the equation because we don't know that DOC can play RW.
- Rinosaur

Simon was playing on a line with Heinen and I think either can play RW so that didn't matter. So it is a direct choice and I'm choosing ZAR over Simon every time. I'll worry about fully healthy if it actually happens.

Solid 200 foot game and playing against the opponents top lines are 2 different things. Would DOC do as well in those assignments? No clue, I'd rather as a young player put him on a different line where he can focus more on offense.

But that line has historically suffered without ZAR. And as Thunderbolt pointed out, he's been using his size to hit more and to this management team at least that matters. Beyond that, we just disagree about the value of a shutdown line. I'll take this line all day if it means Sid doesn't have to draw those assignments like he was before forming the Blueger line.

This is a brutal couple of games in a row now. On the road against two very strong teams in a different time zone, with games starting 2 hours later than usual. Hopefully they can salvage some points...

Cancer for sure but I'd do Matheson for Kane half retained if the Pens are going for it the next 3 years. I think the Sharks would get a better offer elsewhere. Could you imagine their D if they did? Karlsson, Burns, Vlassic and Matheson... Yikes.

I'd do Zucker for Kane half retained and a lottery protected 1st.

Worst case for Kane is you just bury him in the minors, not a huge risk at half retained.
- MacPatty

San Jose is in a huge cap crunch, I don't see them retaining anything.

I'd rather DOC dress over Simon or Zucker
- Rinosaur

Fixed that for you.

Much like how Avery could only perform well in NYC when Shanny was there to keep him in line, Kane would need someone to keep him in check. I don’t think Sid, Geno or Letang are those guys. Maybe Jamie Benn in Dallas? Either way if he managed to keep it together enough to stay productive on the ice he’s a POS and I don’t want him in a pens uni.

Geno joined the team for Warmies today.

Geno joined the team for Warmies today.
- j.boyd919

Full contact Jersey?

Full contact Jersey?
- Rinosaur

No contact

Geno joined the team for Warmies today.
- j.boyd919

Probably still a month away, but this has to just feel good. It's been a long rehab for Malkin at his age.

Much like how Avery could only perform well in NYC when Shanny was there to keep him in line, Kane would need someone to keep him in check. I don’t think Sid, Geno or Letang are those guys. Maybe Jamie Benn in Dallas? Either way if he managed to keep it together enough to stay productive on the ice he’s a POS and I don’t want him in a pens uni.
- Grinder47

If you have to babysit a grown ass man for him to have success he doesn't deserve to be here.

Probably still a month away, but this has to just feel good. It's been a long rehab for Malkin at his age.
- burgh4life87

Yup

Geno joined the team for Warmies today.
- j.boyd919

He must be traveling with the team. I can’t imagine him traveling with the team if he isn’t somewhat close. This is good news.

If you have to babysit a grown ass man for him to have success he doesn't deserve to be here.
- burgh4life87

Amen.