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Karine Hains
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Lévis, QC
Joined: 10.27.2018

Thursday @ 4:00 PM ET
Karine Hains: Thanksgiving Time The NHL has no game on the schedule today, our neighbours to the south are celebrating thanksgiving and the scheduling department has decided to give the players a day off, perhaps to allow them time to think what they are thankful for.
Mashadar
Location: I will not go into detail why we think we are a better team, but we feel we are a better team. - MB
Joined: 08.31.2014

Thursday @ 4:06 PM ET
Karine
Hains: Thanksgiving Time

The NHL has no game on the schedule today, our neighbours to the south are celebrating thanksgiving and the scheduling department has decided to give the players a day off, perhaps to allow them time to think what they are thankful for.

- Karine Hains


I will be thankful when the Habs clean house, with someone that has a clear plan that has a higher probability to succeed, rather than these patchwork fixes that don't really fix anything.

And if that does not happen, let me start on the Bah-humbug now...
Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Thursday @ 4:12 PM ET
I will be thankful when the Habs clean house, with someone that has a clear plan that has a higher probability to succeed, rather than these patchwork fixes that don't really fix anything.

And if that does not happen, let me start on the Bah-humbug now...

- Mashadar


Now do Pittsburgh, LA, Tampa Bay and Chicago

-Fredo

Pittsburgh in all seriousness, if they don't win that "lottery" in 2005 maybe there no team today - moved in a different city…

Tamba bay is probably the most well manage team in the NHL

Not sure what LA and Chicago have to do in a long rebuild conversation ? or did you Mean LA turned it around quicker than most by Keeping good vets ?
Mashadar
Location: I will not go into detail why we think we are a better team, but we feel we are a better team. - MB
Joined: 08.31.2014

Thursday @ 4:20 PM ET
Now do Pittsburgh, LA, Tampa Bay and Chicago

-Fredo

Pittsburgh in all seriousness, if they don't win that "lottery" in 2005 maybe there no team today - moved in a different city…

Tamba bay is probably the most well manage team in the NHL

Not sure what LA and Chicago have to do in a long rebuild conversation ? or did you Mean LA turned it around quicker than most by Keeping good vets ?

- Xizord



You don't want a rebuild, but you want to trade away over 1/2 the team.

Disconnection, perhaps?

What are you realistically going to get in the trade market for those players that makes this team significantly better than it is today?

Nothing.

Better off taking the picks you can get, take on expiring contracts for additional picks and prospects and move on.

There is no short term fix for this team.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Thursday @ 4:23 PM ET
That whoever is at the helm then will have realized that this team needs to be a seller and maximize its return on vets that won’t be there anymore when the Canadiens can aspire to be relevant again and yes, to me, that includes Carey Price.



while I don't necessarily disagree, do you honestly think there would be any takers, considering the contract he has?
Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Thursday @ 4:26 PM ET
You don't want a rebuild, but you want to trade away over 1/2 the team.

Disconnection, perhaps?

What are you realistically going to get in the trade market for those players that makes this team significantly better than it is today?

Nothing.

Better off taking the picks you can get, take on expiring contracts for additional picks and prospects and move on.

There is no short term fix for this team.

- Mashadar


My list in the trade if you can had 6 names, fully implied you wont be able to have decent offers on all of them.

Very far from "half the team"
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: WHAMMY!, ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Thursday @ 4:28 PM ET
His willingness to be left unprotected at the expansion draft made that crystal clear and there is no doubt that Price would love to have another chance to capture hockey’s biggest prize.


With all due respect K.

You honestly think Seattle had a thought about taking Price?

Not a chance..
Xizord
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I am Eklund, QC
Joined: 01.03.2007

Thursday @ 4:30 PM ET
His willingness to be left unprotected at the expansion draft made that crystal clear and there is no doubt that Price would love to have another chance to capture hockey’s biggest prize.


With all due respect K.

You honestly think Seattle had a thought about taking Price?

Not a chance..

- pete26


For sure hey had one….

questions is : did that thought lasted more than 10 seconds ?
mr.peanut
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Auston Da God Trophy, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Thursday @ 4:30 PM ET
His willingness to be left unprotected at the expansion draft made that crystal clear and there is no doubt that Price would love to have another chance to capture hockey’s biggest prize.


With all due respect K.

You honestly think Seattle had a thought about taking Price?

Not a chance..

- pete26

They did, Pete. Seattle didn't take him because MB lied and said Price may need every joint in his lower body replaced.
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: WHAMMY!, ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Thursday @ 4:31 PM ET
That whoever is at the helm then will have realized that this team needs to be a seller and maximize its return on vets that won’t be there anymore when the Canadiens can aspire to be relevant again and yes, to me, that includes Carey Price.



while I don't necessarily disagree, do you honestly think there would be any takers, considering the contract he has?

- Pat1993


Nope.

Nil.

Nada..
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: WHAMMY!, ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Thursday @ 4:31 PM ET
They did, Pete. Seattle didn't take him because MB lied and said Price may need every joint in his lower body replaced.
- mr.peanut



That's not a lie..
mr.peanut
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Auston Da God Trophy, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Thursday @ 4:32 PM ET
That's not a lie..
- pete26

Weird how it's true but would be playing now if he didn't fall off the wagon
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: WHAMMY!, ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Thursday @ 4:37 PM ET
Weird how it's true but would be playing now if he didn't fall off the wagon
- mr.peanut



He'd be injured right now, he's always injured for the holiday season.
Mashadar
Location: I will not go into detail why we think we are a better team, but we feel we are a better team. - MB
Joined: 08.31.2014

Thursday @ 4:42 PM ET
My list in the trade if you can had 6 names, fully implied you wont be able to have decent offers on all of them.

Very far from "half the team"

- Xizord


You listed a bunch you also wanted to trade... But let's not focus on that.

Let's focus on what you are suggesting.

Here is the problem: what are those 6 players realistically going to bring back, if they can be traded?

Not much that can help this team.

All you are suggesting is continuing the trend that has failed this organization for the last 30 years. Patchwork trades to (sometimes) fix a problem in the short-term, but have longer-term ramifications (bad contracts, getting old, etc...).

And on top of that years of poor asset management, bad player development, cap killing contracts, c and d level free agents that do not work out with their bad contracts.

At some point, the Habs are going to have to realize this needs to be stripped down and rebuilt.

Do all rebuilds work perfectly?

No.

But maybe trying something new, when you have a few cornerstone young kids, makes more sense to try than another 30 years.of patchwork garbage that drives the same conversation and disappointments we've had for years.
mr.peanut
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Auston Da God Trophy, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Thursday @ 4:42 PM ET
He'd be injured right now, he's always injured for the holiday season.
- pete26

no. just sucks.

Christmas shopping takes everything out of him.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Thursday @ 4:43 PM ET
Weird how it's true but would be playing now if he didn't fall off the wagon
- mr.peanut



he needed a knee surgery, pretty obvious how there were health concerns to consider in his case, but sure, keep pushing the "controversy" loll
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Thursday @ 4:44 PM ET
no. just sucks.

Christmas shopping takes everything out of him.

- mr.peanut



oh, you're in this kind of poopty mood again. how (frank)ing great.
mr.peanut
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Auston Da God Trophy, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Thursday @ 4:44 PM ET
he needed a knee surgery, pretty obvious how there were health concerns to consider in his case, but sure, keep pushing the "controversy" loll
- Pat1993

What am I pushing?

If he didn't go to rehab he would have been in the opening line up.
pete26
Montreal Canadiens
Location: WHAMMY!, ON
Joined: 11.20.2008

Thursday @ 4:45 PM ET
no. just sucks.

Christmas shopping takes everything out of him.

- mr.peanut


It's the large family.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Thursday @ 4:46 PM ET
You listed a bunch you also wanted to trade... But let's not focus on that.

Let's focus on what you are suggesting.

Here is the problem: what are those 6 players realistically going to bring back, if they can be traded?

Not much that can help this team.

All you are suggesting is continuing the trend that has failed this organization for the last 30 years. Patchwork trades to (sometimes) fix a problem in the short-term, but have longer-term ramifications (bad contracts, getting old, etc...).

And on top of that years of poor asset management, bad player development, cap killing contracts, c and d level free agents that do not work out with their bad contracts.

At some point, the Habs are going to have to realize this needs to be stripped down and rebuilt.

Do all rebuilds work perfectly?

No.

But maybe trying something new, when you have a few cornerstone young kids, makes more sense to try than another 30 years.of patchwork garbage that drives the same conversation and disappointments we've had for years.

- Mashadar



there is a logic behind what you're saying, but I feel the significant change that needs to happen is in terms of management, drafting and player development. these changes alone could definitely help putting this team on the right track again.
Mashadar
Location: I will not go into detail why we think we are a better team, but we feel we are a better team. - MB
Joined: 08.31.2014

Thursday @ 4:47 PM ET
he needed a knee surgery, pretty obvious how there were health concerns to consider in his case, but sure, keep pushing the "controversy" loll
- Pat1993


If this team had 13-15 wins, I suspect Price would be more motivated to join.

At this point, I think he just cares about being ready for the Olympics.

Don't really blame him.
mr.peanut
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Auston Da God Trophy, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Thursday @ 4:47 PM ET
It's the large family.
- pete26

He can just go to the gas station across from the arena and pick up a bunch of gift cards.
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Thursday @ 4:48 PM ET
What am I pushing?

If he didn't go to rehab he would have been in the opening line up.

- mr.peanut


not sure he would necessarily have recovered from the surgery, and besides given his injury history it's not that hard to figure out it was surely the major concern for Seattle.
mr.peanut
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Auston Da God Trophy, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Thursday @ 4:50 PM ET
not sure he would necessarily have recovered from the surgery, and besides given his injury history it's not that hard to figure out it was surely the major concern for Seattle.
- Pat1993

Well, Seattle didn't take him and they still have goalie concerns.

IIRC MB went out of his way to say how his hip and knee may require major surgeries
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Thursday @ 4:51 PM ET
If this team had 13-15 wins, I suspect Price would be more motivated to join.

At this point, I think he just cares about being ready for the Olympics.

Don't really blame him.

- Mashadar



oh I don't blame him either, besides it would be pretty dumb to be mad at the guy considering he seeked help for substance abuse, which after a 30-day treatment surely hasn't magically disappeared.
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