exactly, if he needs to play with an 11M center.... maybe he's not worth 11M himself?
- fidopro

He doesn't.
I believe jvr had a great year wity him...so did Bozak.
Good try though

Makes no sense. You're either dumping you roster when they walk for NOTHING after you lose or your dumping you roster at the TDL while making a calculated decision on the overall make up of the team and if they have what it takes to make it all the way to the Cup.

Anyone on the outside of the organization should know:

Tampa ≠ Toronto

Management should know way more then we do, like:
1. Will this team win?
2. Will UFA Player X re sign at a fair price?
3. Will UFA Player X make that big of a difference in the playoffs?
4. Can the team trade and replace the UFA Player X to offset the loss of UFA Player X in the playoffs with a Player Y but still get assets in return for UFA Player X before he walks for nothing?

It's not an exact science but all decisions made by management should be rooted in reality.
- Barb34

Barbie doll you're ignoring the point. There was only one TB last year. The other 31 teams should have all followed your intuitive guidance ....yet they didn't.

I agree.

But unlike you, I don't feel bad for him. He asked for it, and put the target on his own back, hung the albatross contract around his own neck

He needs to earn it -consistently- plain and simple.
- fifty__missions

Yup.
No reason to feel bad for him, earn your paycheck.
Perform in the playoffs

Dubas has gone to bat for willie as well.
No one on here knows who he likes more.....he probably likes them both equally.
- Fakepartofme

Guess who I like better.

He doesn't.
I believe jvr had a great year wity him...so did Bozak.
Good try though
- Fakepartofme

oh it's not a try at all. perso I wouldn't trade for him. maybe there's a gm out there who would.

Dubas has gone to bat for willie as well.
No one on here knows who he likes more.....he probably likes them both equally.
- Fakepartofme

Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

oh it's not a try at all. perso I wouldn't trade for him. maybe there's a gm out there who would.
- fidopro

Hes a top 5 pt getter in the league and would improve any center and line.
Almost all would be in line to trade for him.

Contrary to what most Leafs fans think, Dubas likes Marner a lot more than Nylander. He consistently goes to bat for Mitch, and angrily calls out people who criticize him. I have faith in Dubas for this reason. I think he’s smart enough to move Nylander before a more important part of the core like Rielly or Mitch.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ya maybe - who knows who he likes more. I would think a GM likes the player who is performing to the standard/level of contract value the most.
I think it’s easier to move Nylander first so that is why it may happen.
Easier because;
- his contract vs output/impact is amazing
- he makes far less so easier for other team to fit Cap space
- less scrutiny on Dubas as opposed to trading that huge contract (Top 3 payroll player)

Nobody really knows though. That’s why Hockey Sites are fun - none of us really knows. Even when we see someone traded we can’t be sure who had the most influence in it (coach, GM, President, Ownership, etc.) the final call is left with someone for sure but a lot Pro Teams are run through Committee begging the scenes. Some GMs are left to succeed or fail on their own and others are just the voice.

exactly, if he needs to play with an 11M center.... maybe he's not worth 11M himself?
- fidopro

Like I said multiple times, Lou Lamoriello didn’t give him signing bonuses in his first contract, essentially (frank)ing him over, so unless Dubas was willing to let him sit to start the year he bumped up the contract to make up for it. Then the cap lockdowns happened after that. We would have been looking at roughly 90 million by next year otherwise. That way I doubt people would have complained about his contract nearly as much.

Makes no sense. You're either dumping you roster when they walk for NOTHING after you lose or your dumping you roster at the TDL for assets back while making a calculated decision on the overall make up of the team and if they have what it takes to make it all the way to the Cup.

Anyone on the outside of the organization should know:

Tampa ≠ Toronto

Management should know way more then we do, like:
1. Will this team win?
2. Will UFA Player X re sign at a fair price?
3. Will UFA Player X make that big of a difference in the playoffs?
4. Can the team trade and replace the UFA Player X to offset the loss of UFA Player X in the playoffs with a Player Y but still get assets in return for UFA Player X before he walks for nothing?

It's not an exact science but all decisions made by management should be rooted in reality.
- Barb34

The bolded is the flawed part. No management can truly know this. I'm sure Tampa Management said yes when they went into the first round against the blue jackets and came out 0 and 4.

Further, if the answer is yes to winning then they can't go and trade away pending UFA for assets or they may not win. They don't have to go spend any assets either to be fair.

oh it's not a try at all. perso I wouldn't trade for him. maybe there's a gm out there who would.
- fidopro

Hes a top 5 pt getter in the league and would improve any center and line.
Almost all would be in line to trade for him.

But JT is An $11 million Centre, which is what I think his point was.
- bobbyisno1

Yup.
No reason to feel bad for him, earn your paycheck.
Perform in the playoffs
- Fakepartofme

He earned a first team all star nod.

But I guess that’s no good enough. Defensive stats don’t show up on the game sheet, and I suspect that’s why he’s regarded as the best RW’er in the game.

He doesn’t deserve bumholes in the media asking him how he’s going to produce more with his contract. It’s disgusting how people treat him. He’s could be the top scoring Leaf of all time and gets treated like garbage by fans and media. That circus that happened when he was negotiating his contract and everyone was attacking his family was the lowest, most bile thing that’s ever happened in Toronto sports. Mitch is too good for Toronto imo, and if he picked up and went someone else I wouldn’t blame him one bit. He doesn’t owe any of you anything.

Barbie doll you're ignoring the point. There was only one TB last year. The other 31 teams should have all followed your intuitive guidance ....yet they didn't.
- The Law

That's a general, circle jerk of a statement LAWyer. Of course THEY did. Plenty of teams did.

Not all players traded at the deadline are from losing teams and signed with term.

Plenty of teams trade plenty of UFAs every year at the deadline from 1st to last place. I started looking it up to confirm just couldn't find a copy/paste-able list or I would've.

PS, at first I was thinking Barbie doll was an insult until I realized my screen name

Hes a top 5 pt getter in the league and would improve any center and line.
Almost all would be in line to trade for him.
- Fakepartofme

yeah, agree to disagree there

I agree.

But unlike you, I don't feel bad for him. He asked for it, and put the target on his own back, hung the albatross contract around his own neck

He needs to earn it -consistently- plain and simple.
- fifty__missions

I’m willing to bet his agent asked for it and told the leafs that he wouldn’t even let Marner sign something without it. He was 21 at the time no way in hell that he was the one making the primary financial decisions.

Ya maybe - who knows who he likes more. I would think a GM likes the player who is performing to the standard/level of contract value the most.
I think it’s easier to move Nylander first so that is why it may happen.
Easier because;
- his contract vs output/impact is amazing
- he makes far less so easier for other team to fit Cap space
- less scrutiny on Dubas as opposed to trading that huge contract (Top 3 payroll player)

Nobody really knows though. That’s why Hockey Sites are fun - none of us really knows. Even when we see someone traded we can’t be sure who had the most influence in it (coach, GM, President, Ownership, etc.) the final call is left with someone for sure but a lot Pro Teams are run through Committee begging the scenes. Some GMs are left to succeed or fail on their own and others are just the voice/face with 50% ‘say’
- Big23Questions

Nylander is a 65pt player with zero defensive game, who goes on quiet stretches. I wouldn’t pay 7M for that.

yeah, agree to disagree there
- fidopro

I do also, he hasn't performed in the last 11 games, and he isn't looking like he will anytime soon.

Nylander is a 65pt player with zero defensive game, who goes on quiet stretches. I wouldn’t pay 7M for that.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Good thing you're not a GM. Plenty of teams would and do.

You probably wouldn't have Patrick Kane on your team either

Leafs have the 9th best GAA in the NHL since Keefe took over. Factor in they did that with some shaky g'tending at times in that first year 19/20).

They've had the second best offence in the NHL during Keefe's time.

Hard to have too many complaints about the regular season performance. They've dropped the ball come playoff time - this group gets one more chance to fix that or there will be some changes.
- The Law

Yeah and with Campbell in net their PK was numero uno in the league.

People that are so certain they can't go anywhere should be wagering and taking the easy profits - but I wouldn't be so sure. This team's got a lot of good things going and people might see the last five years as one monolithic result that can't change but I don't.

The bolded is the flawed part. No management can truly know this. I'm sure Tampa Management said yes when they went into the first round against the blue jackets and came out 0 and 4.

Further, if the answer is yes to winning then they can't go and trade away pending UFA for assets or they may not win. They don't have to go spend any assets either to be fair.
- Aaron_85

Nah, not really. Tampa had plenty of playoff success before the CBJ knock out. Most knew they were legit contenders.

I can tell you with certainty that the Leafs are not quite built for the rigors of playoffs...mentally or physically....YET.

They weren't last year or the year before. Lost players while people gas lit themselves.

If they stop losing assets and make a few tough trades to balance out $$$ on the roster, they will be right there with the same chance as others in the playoffs.

Campbell, I love but ??? he's no Vasi
Mrazek, who knows

Defense, not there yet.
Bottom 6, not there yet.

Top 6, one injury away from (frank)ery still, will Marner show up, will Matthews score, is Ritchie/Bunting going to work???? Few questions in our top 6 still too.

Nylander is a 65pt player with zero defensive game, who goes on quiet stretches. I wouldn’t pay 7M for that.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Coaches disagree… so stuck in 2018!

Good thing you're not a GM. Plenty of teams would and do.

You probably wouldn't have Patrick Kane on your team either
- Aaron_85

You can’t just have a whole bunch of big contracts.

He’s 32 making 10.5 for two more seasons. He’s worth that imo, as long as you don’t have other massive contracts so you can fill out your roster.

I do also, he hasn't performed in the last 11 games, and he isn't looking like he will anytime soon.
- bobbyisno1

not really related to his past 11 games imo. Hall (former MVP) just signed for 6M. wingers all around the league sign for reasonnable contracts. Marner, as good as he is is not worth 11M. that should bring the return down.

Good thing you're not a GM. Plenty of teams would and do.

You probably wouldn't have Patrick Kane on your team either
- Aaron_85

here's a guy who won 3 cups, and who doesn't play with an 11M center.