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333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Oct 5 @ 1:31 PM ET
So, who goes instead?
- mohel


Strome? Or have we already decided that Strome gets traded, and we're looking for another one? Apparently Connolly's contract is untradable, as Cap Friendly has it buried in Rockford. With Nylander, given the injury, and given how cheap his contract is for this season, not the end of the world to figure out if there is any potential upside that makes him worth extending next summer.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Oct 5 @ 1:32 PM ET
You can have 2 extra forwards, and just 1 extra D.
- LAHawk


I don't think cap friendly is going to change, that'll most likely be our 23 players on the roster to start the season
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Oct 5 @ 1:38 PM ET
I’m in the group that doesn’t think Nylander is competitive, at least by NHL standards. If he has room to operate he does have skill. But he’s not interested in battling for loose pucks. He hasn’t shown he’s willing to consistently get his nose over the puck in high traffic areas. He doesn’t go to the net looking for rebounds, deflections or trying to screen the goalie or disrupt the defenders. The obvious rebuttal will be, “well Kane doesn’t “ but my answer is Nylander isn’t Kane and isn’t close and Kane has shown he’s far more willing to play in the tougher areas on the ice.

Can Nylander become more competitive to allow his obvious talents to thrive? Perhaps. But I wouldn’t bet the rent money on it.

- paulr

The eye test fails when you compare him to his brother. Is that fair? Who cares...
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 5 @ 1:41 PM ET
I don't think cap friendly is going to change, that'll most likely be our 23 players on the roster to start the season
- BetweenTheDots


Release/send down Carpenter, and Stillman (makes the most of the defenseman vying for 5,6, and 7) for day 1, after, put Shaw on LTIR and you call up Stillman.

Didn't they just hire a cap guru to help them figure these things out?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Oct 5 @ 1:45 PM ET
Release/send down Carpenter, and Stillman (makes the most of the defenseman vying for 5,6, and 7) for day 1, after, put Shaw on LTIR and you call up Stillman.

Didn't they just hire a cap guru to help them figure these things out?

- LAHawk


I believe they did, Entwistle with Hagel practicing PK without dmen, i guess working on passing lanes but doesn't make much sense to me without having the whole unit out there.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Oct 5 @ 1:54 PM ET
I believe they did, Entwistle with Hagel practicing PK without dmen, i guess working on passing lanes but doesn't make much sense to me without having the whole unit out there.
- BetweenTheDots

Of course it makes sense. LA and I keep trying to explain to you that the issue with the Hawks poor defense isn’t solely the defensemen, it’s primarily the forwards who aren’t supporting them. Why are the forwards working without the full unit? it’s to get them to understand what their job is and how to position themselves. It’s called a walk through, it’s done so there are no distractions, it’s all about what their job is. I’m guessing the same thing will be done with two defensemen before the four are practicing it as a unit.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Oct 5 @ 2:06 PM ET
And how old is Nylander? And how old was Kubalik when he was traded to the Hawks?

Nylander is younger than Borgstrom, Guadette, 4 months older than Hagel. So have you decided that Hagel, Borgstrom, Gaudette max out as servicable? What does Dach max out at? He has just as many games as Nylander, with the same point totals. Every time Dach stickhandles, I keep thinking of the Talking Heads song Road to Nowhere. "Elbows" was the same type of player (nicknamed Sonja for his great (figure) skating. My dad used to point out, look Nester had the puck for 30 seconds, and he is in the same place he was 30 seconds ago. That is what I have see(n) from Dach. Does that mean he grades out as a 3C? Or does he finally get it, and he isn't in junior anymore. I haven't seen that change in the exhibition game I watched.

How many chances did DuClair need before he "got" it (playing for Q non the less).

Anyone here remember Jim Pappin (scored the GWG for the last Leafs Stanley Cup)? He played the same type of game as Nylander, Was booed off and on by Hawk fans, yet was a 40 goal scorer, and clutch playoff performer.

Our forward group has some potential, but it is far from the 1972/73 version of the Montreal Canadiens.

- LAHawk


LA, not sure what your point is. Nylander has 3 seasons of mediocre AHL play to go along with his basically 1 season of NHL games. Dach was an 18 year old. Kubalik came in at 24 with 5 seasons of successful pro hockey. Neither of them are a good comparison. I don't think anyone questions Nylanders skillset. He can skate, shoot, pass, etc. it's his work ethic and/or compete level that everyone questions. He probably has more raw skills than a bunch of the guys on the team but may never fully realize them.

I take a guy like Hagel, who may not be as skilled but who constantly works hard over a Nylander any day.
TheTrob
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Oak Park, IL
Joined: 04.14.2010

Oct 5 @ 2:11 PM ET
Of course it makes sense. LA and I keep trying to explain to you that the issue with the Hawks poor defense isn’t solely the defensemen, it’s primarily the forwards who aren’t supporting them. Why are the forwards working without the full unit? it’s to get them to understand what their job is and how to position themselves. It’s called a walk through, it’s done so there are no distractions, it’s all about what their job is. I’m guessing the same thing will be done with two defensemen before the four are practicing it as a unit.
- paulr


Yup. There are lots of ways teach about recognition, positioning, passing lanes, ice awareness, etc. Sure a lot has to do with working as a 4 man unit, but there is also so much dependent on what everyone does as an individual.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 5 @ 2:13 PM ET
LA, not sure what your point is. Nylander has 3 seasons of mediocre AHL play to go along with his basically 1 season of NHL games. Dach was an 18 year old. Kubalik came in at 24 with 5 seasons of successful pro hockey. Neither of them are a good comparison. I don't think anyone questions Nylanders skillset. He can skate, shoot, pass, etc. it's his work ethic and/or compete level that everyone questions. He probably has more raw skills than a bunch of the guys on the team but may never fully realize them.

I take a guy like Hagel, who may not be as skilled but who constantly works hard over a Nylander any day.

- TheTrob


Trob, did you read my next post about hyperbole?
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Oct 5 @ 2:16 PM ET
Connolly on waivers.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Oct 5 @ 2:18 PM ET
Connolly on waivers.
- Theo Fox


Nice. I hope for more moves.

Thanks for the info, Ted, and the blogs as well. You've done well taking over the buzz.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 5 @ 2:19 PM ET
Strome? Or have we already decided that Strome gets traded, and we're looking for another one? Apparently Connolly's contract is untradable, as Cap Friendly has it buried in Rockford. With Nylander, given the injury, and given how cheap his contract is for this season, not the end of the world to figure out if there is any potential upside that makes him worth extending next summer.
- 333inthe3rd


Here's my 13.

Kane, Toews, Cat, Johnson, Kubalik, Hagel, Borgy, Gaudette, Khaira, Dach, Kurashev, Hardman, Entwistle.

Imo, to keep Nylander; Strome, Carpenter, Connolly, and one of the above have to go first. This assumes Reichel is deemed not ready.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Oct 5 @ 2:25 PM ET
Yup. There are lots of ways teach about recognition, positioning, passing lanes, ice awareness, etc. Sure a lot has to do with working as a 4 man unit, but there is also so much dependent on what everyone does as an individual.
- TheTrob


Seems like a waste of time, no one down low, there was a lot of high low plays in the game yesterday, then across to the back side.
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Oct 5 @ 2:25 PM ET
Release/send down Carpenter, and Stillman (makes the most of the defenseman vying for 5,6, and 7) for day 1, after, put Shaw on LTIR and you call up Stillman.

Didn't they just hire a cap guru to help them figure these things out?

- LAHawk


I think the day 1 roster will be:

ADB-Johnson-Kane
Hagel-Toews-Kubalik
Strome-Borgstrom-Nylander
Khaira-Carpenter-Gaudette
Shaw

McCabe-S. Jones
C. Jones-Murphy
deHaan-Stillman

MAF
Lankinen

$775K in cap space, and we don't lose anyone for nothing except maybe Subban.

By the time the puck drops for the first game, Shaw will be on LTIR, and Kurashev, Dach and Kalynuk will be back in the NHL. We can keep all these players on the Hawks, and still have $2M in cap space. Maybe do a rotation between Borgstrom, Gaudette, Strome and Nylander until 2 of them are clearly better than the other 2.

I really think that we will lose Strome, Nylander, Gaudette, Borgstrom or Subban if we tried to send any of them down, and Stan doesn't want to lose them for nothing.
Rota's Rooter
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2017

Oct 5 @ 2:27 PM ET
A home for Dylan Strome may have just opened up.

https://www.prohockeyrumo...th-upper-body-injury.html
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 5 @ 2:29 PM ET

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
Blackhawks lines:

DeBrincat-TJohnson-Kane
Kurashev-Toews-Kubalik
Borgstrom-KDach-Hagel
Hardman-Khaira-Entwistle
Carpenter-Gaudette
RJohnson-Strome

McCabe-Murphy
Stillman-SJones
de Haan-CJones
Galvas-Kalynuk

My guess the top 3 lines are what starts the season
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 5 @ 2:34 PM ET
Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST
Blackhawks lines:

DeBrincat-TJohnson-Kane
Kurashev-Toews-Kubalik
Borgstrom-KDach-Hagel
Hardman-Khaira-Entwistle
Carpenter-Gaudette
RJohnson-Strome

McCabe-Murphy
Stillman-SJones
de Haan-CJones
Galvas-Kalynuk

My guess the top 3 lines are what starts the season

- LAHawk


Those forwards look vaguely familiar....

Dump Carpenter, and I will go along with Nylander as 14F.
riozzo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Cornwallis Island
Joined: 06.17.2014

Oct 5 @ 2:35 PM ET
Hey Theo, Just wanted to say thanks for the great articles. It is like you are providing us a 100 page term paper every day. I for one appreciate it.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 5 @ 2:36 PM ET
I think the day 1 roster will be:

ADB-Johnson-Kane
Hagel-Toews-Kubalik
Strome-Borgstrom-Nylander
Khaira-Carpenter-Gaudette
Shaw

McCabe-S. Jones
C. Jones-Murphy
deHaan-Stillman

MAF
Lankinen

$775K in cap space, and we don't lose anyone for nothing except maybe Subban.

By the time the puck drops for the first game, Shaw will be on LTIR, and Kurashev, Dach and Kalynuk will be back in the NHL. We can keep all these players on the Hawks, and still have $2M in cap space. Maybe do a rotation between Borgstrom, Gaudette, Strome and Nylander until 2 of them are clearly better than the other 2.

I really think that we will lose Strome, Nylander, Gaudette, Borgstrom or Subban if we tried to send any of them down, and Stan doesn't want to lose them for nothing.

- tvetter


If they buy Connlyy out, hit will be $1.2 mil. for the next 4 years. Does Stan want to tie up that money for that long?
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 5 @ 2:37 PM ET
Hey Theo, Just wanted to say thanks for the great articles. It is like you are providing us a 100 page term paper every day. I for one appreciate it.
- riozzo


Well said. The dedication to content in the offseason was especially appreciated.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Oct 5 @ 2:39 PM ET
If they buy Connlyy out, hit will be $1.2 mil. for the next 4 years. Does Stan want to tie up that money for that long?
- LAHawk


Aren't the buyout periods closed? I think he'll be buried if not taken off waivers.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Oct 5 @ 2:40 PM ET
Nice. I hope for more moves.

Thanks for the info, Ted, and the blogs as well. You've done well taking over the buzz.

- I Am The Breadman


Let's not heap too much praise. He's been...fine.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 5 @ 2:40 PM ET
Well said. The dedication to content in the offseason was especially appreciated.
- mohel


I agree, and especially like the fact we can have open discourse without animus.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Oct 5 @ 2:40 PM ET
Aren't the buyout periods closed? I think he'll be buried if not taken off waivers.
- mohel


Oops you are correct.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Oct 5 @ 2:43 PM ET
I agree, and especially like the fact we can have open discourse without animus.
- LAHawk


Some, I guess
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