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RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Feb 4 @ 8:40 PM ET
Coup d'état, also called coup, the sudden, violent overthrow of an existing government by a small group. The chief prerequisite for a coup is control of all or part of the armed forces, the police, and other military elements.

Not a single chief prerequisite for a coup is met. There was zero control of the armed forces, police or other military elements. The crowd of protesters, who gained physical access to the capital, did not attempt to have control over any of the military elements. Didn't matter that the protest was violent or was planned and coordinated to delay governance, it was not a coup attempt, by definition. Full stop.

I will conceed that you could call some people actions seditious, but could you please stop calling it a coup, attempted or otherwise. I don't write encyclopedias so I'm not going to debate against the definition.

It could however be passed as an attempted revolution, based on that definition...

- Pres.cup

I've said this to you several times but Dunning Kruger is real.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Feb 4 @ 9:04 PM ET
This one’s juicy...

Smartmatic filed a monster $2.7 billion lawsuit on Thursday against Fox News, Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell and Fox hosts Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, and Jeanine Pirro for working in concert to wage a "disinformation campaign" by intentionally lying about Smartmatic in an effort to mislead the public into the false belief that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Donald Trump.

So now we get to see the “evidence” that all the little trumpiteers have been squawking about for months now. Can’t wait.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Feb 4 @ 9:14 PM ET
I've said this to you several times but Dunning Kruger is real.
- RealityChecker




Here are some more definitions for you. I get it, you believe that it was a coup, it appears to be semantics by the repeated use of the word coup to describe what happened on the capitol is an inaccurate use of the word.

I understand your self disclosed arrogance but surely you can't be so arrogant to think that you know better what the definition of a word is then an encyclopedia?

I'm also a stubborn bastard who grows weary of debating facts with those who choose what facts are fictions. If you don't agree with the literal definition of the word then we're debating with different languages and won't go anywhere. It's seems that you may just in fact be experiencing the Dunning Kruger effect.

Britannica

Coup d’état, also called coup, the sudden, violent overthrow of an existing government by a small group. The chief prerequisite for a coup is control of all or part of the armed forces, the police, and other military elements.

Cambridge
a sudden illegal, often violent, taking of government power, especially by part of an army.

Oxford
(also coup d'état) a sudden, illegal, and often violent change of government

Websters

the sudden, forcible overthrow of a ruler, government, etc., sometimes with violence, by a small group of people already having some political or military authority






Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Feb 4 @ 9:17 PM ET
This one’s juicy...

Smartmatic filed a monster $2.7 billion lawsuit on Thursday against Fox News, Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell and Fox hosts Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, and Jeanine Pirro for working in concert to wage a "disinformation campaign" by intentionally lying about Smartmatic in an effort to mislead the public into the false belief that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from Donald Trump.

So now we get to see the “evidence” that all the little trumpiteers have been squawking about for months now. Can’t wait.

- bloatedmosquito


Should be fun to listen to them squeal.

I also heard that Kyle Rittenhouse is MIA.

Fled, hiding, dumb or dead, anyone putting money down?
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Feb 4 @ 9:20 PM ET


Here are some more definitions for you. I get it, you believe that it was a coup, it appears to be semantics by the repeated use of the word coup to describe what happened on the capitol is an inaccurate use of the word.

I understand your self disclosed arrogance but surely you can't be so arrogant to think that you know better what the definition of a word is then an encyclopedia?

I'm also a stubborn bastard who grows weary of debating facts with those who choose what facts are fictions. If you don't agree with the literal definition of the word then we're debating with different languages and won't go anywhere. It's seems that you may just in fact be experiencing the Dunning Kruger effect.

Britannica

Coup d’état, also called coup, the sudden, violent overthrow of an existing government by a small group. The chief prerequisite for a coup is control of all or part of the armed forces, the police, and other military elements.

Cambridge
a sudden illegal, often violent, taking of government power, especially by part of an army.

Oxford
(also coup d'état) a sudden, illegal, and often violent change of government

Websters

the sudden, forcible overthrow of a ruler, government, etc., sometimes with violence, by a small group of people already having some political or military authority

- Pres.cup

By the definitions you provided (3 of 4 but I could argue the 4th one), it fits the definition.

Well done you. You argued my point successfully.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Feb 4 @ 9:28 PM ET
By the definitions you provided (3 of 4 but I could argue the 4th one), it fits the definition.

Well done you. You argued my point successfully.

- RealityChecker


You're obstinate in this regard and just clutching at straws, this has been the basis of every argument you've made. Your foundation is shaky, give it up what happened was nowhere near definitive enough to be "definitively" a coup. Period. No military or armed forces involvement, no sudden unexpected actions, no attempts to alter the form of government. It was a protest that turned into a riot seeking to delay and force recounts or revotes. Read some history and quit trying to obfuscate the issue. It was not a coup attempt, that's just a talking point that you and others have bought into. Could be sedition, but so could many, many of the events over the past year.

The subject at hand that you responded to me about was in regards to an idiot who was charged with the misdemeanor offenses of trespassing and disorderly conduct. Those are the facts. She wasn't charged with a violent crime and even if it's upsetting to your narratives, those are the facts.

Period. Facts are facts. Don't get even more 1984 then you already are with your borderline newspeak accusing those who don't agree with you of thoughtcrimes.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Feb 4 @ 11:45 PM ET
New topic, this is creepy.

https://nationalpost.com/...9b-86fd-bb890da4842b/amp/
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Feb 5 @ 11:33 AM ET
Aww, triggered buttercup?
You're clearly spiraling downward from something, you used to be much more articulate, now you just virtue signal. Sad really. Look in a mirror, progressive used to mean something, think for yourself, you're just regurgitating words without thinking about what they mean.

- Pres.cup

Stick to your pity-party stories and feeling sorry for yourself. I'm sure you don't bring any of it upon yourself.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Feb 5 @ 2:22 PM ET
Stick to your pity-party stories and feeling sorry for yourself. I'm sure you don't bring any of it upon yourself.
- Marwood


Dude, you've never been able to actually articulate anything substantial when it comes to actual world events, stick to pigeonholing and hyperbole. It's the only thing your virtue signaling is good for.

If you think it actually was a coup, by definition it wasn't, if you think that everyone who voted for Trump was a white supremacist, they weren't, if you think ... wait, that's the problem, a lack of actual critical thinking. Stick to what you know, one sided cbc daily topics and thc content.

Definition of a bigot, in particular prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Seems a large group of people like to lump any republican or right leaning person into an alt right, Trumpist pigeonhole. According to the definition of the word, you sir, are being a bigot.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Feb 8 @ 1:20 PM ET
I guess some anti-mask Texas senator died today of Covid. I read the comments of Fox and came across this exchange and thought it interesting..,


LOW3
1h ago

Dear Lord, please remember the family of Mr. Wright. Grant them peace and mercy at this time of bereavement in Jesus' Name. Amen!

the5thcolumn
Reply to LOW3
1h ago

Did your posting on a propaganda site just all of a sudden convince god to help the family of the deceased? Would it have refused if you didn't? Did you have to say the magic words "in Jesus name." Or it wouldn't work?

Is your god so petty that if you do not supplicate yourself and beg for it's intercession that it will refuse and allow suffering?
What was his name and why doesn't any one know it? It was his title or what he was called, not his name if he existed. Substitute suffering for evil below because suffering is indeed evil.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Feb 9 @ 12:03 AM ET
I guess some anti-mask Texas senator died today of Covid. I read the comments of Fox and came across this exchange and thought it interesting..,


LOW3
1h ago

Dear Lord, please remember the family of Mr. Wright. Grant them peace and mercy at this time of bereavement in Jesus' Name. Amen!

the5thcolumn
Reply to LOW3
1h ago

Did your posting on a propaganda site just all of a sudden convince god to help the family of the deceased? Would it have refused if you didn't? Did you have to say the magic words "in Jesus name." Or it wouldn't work?

Is your god so petty that if you do not supplicate yourself and beg for it's intercession that it will refuse and allow suffering?
What was his name and why doesn't any one know it? It was his title or what he was called, not his name if he existed. Substitute suffering for evil below because suffering is indeed evil.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

- bloatedmosquito


Lots of false Christians around being hypocrites.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Feb 10 @ 10:27 AM ET
I guess some anti-mask Texas senator died today of Covid. I read the comments of Fox and came across this exchange and thought it interesting..,


LOW3
1h ago

Dear Lord, please remember the family of Mr. Wright. Grant them peace and mercy at this time of bereavement in Jesus' Name. Amen!

the5thcolumn
Reply to LOW3
1h ago

Did your posting on a propaganda site just all of a sudden convince god to help the family of the deceased? Would it have refused if you didn't? Did you have to say the magic words "in Jesus name." Or it wouldn't work?

Is your god so petty that if you do not supplicate yourself and beg for it's intercession that it will refuse and allow suffering?
What was his name and why doesn't any one know it? It was his title or what he was called, not his name if he existed. Substitute suffering for evil below because suffering is indeed evil.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

- bloatedmosquito


Love it.

Have also read people talk about the concept of prayer, and how also falls into that hypocritical chasm.

People believe God has a plan for them, but also pray for God to change things. There's really no point in prayer if you believe God has a plan for you/everyone/humanity, and if you believe you have to pray to get God to do things maybe your Christian God of love is much more the vengeful type that allows suffering if you're not praying hard enough.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Feb 10 @ 10:34 AM ET
Lots of false Christians around being hypocrites.
- Pres.cup


Christians and Christ are pretty opposite, I'd say. Maybe like 5% of devout Christians are actually Christ-like.

RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Feb 10 @ 11:49 AM ET


https://thehill.com/blogs...nthem-at-home-games-cuban
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Feb 10 @ 7:26 PM ET
Anyone else watch the videos today from the Impeachment trial? Those nice videos of the peaceful patriots? Fucking disgusting

https://www.bbc.com/news/.../world-us-canada-56019115

https://www.washingtonpos...e-db6632482b37_video.html

LordSnowflake
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 02.07.2021

Feb 10 @ 8:27 PM ET
Anyone else watch the videos today from the Impeachment trial? Those nice videos of the peaceful patriots? Fucking disgusting

https://www.bbc.com/news/.../world-us-canada-56019115

https://www.washingtonpos...e-db6632482b37_video.html

- NewYorkNuck


1st. Crazy stuff, the country is divided big time, sad really.

2nd. The unedited versions of those videos that were posted were far better and showed the ineptitude of the officers much better.

3rd. Google riot porn, the Germans and French have it down, not to mention the Hong Kong roots, the capital coup attempt was far, far tamer then most if not all riots that I've observed, including the riots that swept America all of last year. Especially the Portland riots, what with the greater loss of life and property.... French yellow vest riots are crazy.

4th. That doesn't excuse their behavior, they're a bunch of idiot snowflakes who should be persecuted to the full extent of the law for their past in the attempted coup.

American politics, quite a bit of theater.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Feb 10 @ 10:16 PM ET
1st. Crazy stuff, the country is divided big time, sad really.

2nd. The unedited versions of those videos that were posted were far better and showed the ineptitude of the officers much better.

3rd. Google riot porn, the Germans and French have it down, not to mention the Hong Kong roots, the capital coup attempt was far, far tamer then most if not all riots that I've observed, including the riots that swept America all of last year. Especially the Portland riots, what with the greater loss of life and property.... French yellow vest riots are crazy.

4th. That doesn't excuse their behavior, they're a bunch of idiot snowflakes who should be persecuted to the full extent of the law for their past in the attempted coup.

American politics, quite a bit of theater.

- LordSnowflake


It wasn't a fucking coup
Get over it
Makita
Referee
Vancouver Canucks
Location: #theonlyrealfan, BC
Joined: 02.16.2007

Feb 11 @ 2:15 AM ET
When tested using fMRI scans, people who were shown evidence that contradicted their preconceptions, it was noted that blood flows away from the reasoning centre of the brain, and into the memory areas… meaning trying to show someone they're are wrong literally shuts off logic and makes them cling to their beliefs harder.

The only way to deal with anyone in terms of trying to correct erroneous thinking, is to not point it out, but ask questions of them, and attempt to get them to reach the obvious conclusion.

In the end, they will think they were right all along…
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Feb 11 @ 8:31 AM ET
1st. Crazy stuff, the country is divided big time, sad really.

2nd. The unedited versions of those videos that were posted were far better and showed the ineptitude of the officers much better.

3rd. Google riot porn, the Germans and French have it down, not to mention the Hong Kong roots, the capital coup attempt was far, far tamer then most if not all riots that I've observed, including the riots that swept America all of last year. Especially the Portland riots, what with the greater loss of life and property.... French yellow vest riots are crazy.

4th. That doesn't excuse their behavior, they're a bunch of idiot snowflakes who should be persecuted to the full extent of the law for their past in the attempted coup.

American politics, quite a bit of theater.

- LordSnowflake


Super divided, it's sad and scary. These videos weren't about showing the ineptitude of the police, clearly, just about the patriots/Trump for the trial.

These weren't as crazy violent, but they also could have been more shocking if the congressmen and women weren't moved quickly enough. Imagine if they had located and found people like Pelosi and AOC?
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Feb 11 @ 2:16 PM ET
Super divided, it's sad and scary. These videos weren't about showing the ineptitude of the police, clearly, just about the patriots/Trump for the trial.

These weren't as crazy violent, but they also could have been more shocking if the congressmen and women weren't moved quickly enough. Imagine if they had located and found people like Pelosi and AOC?

- NewYorkNuck


Yes, a handful of those retards would have deserved to be shot had they found Pelosi, from what I understand based on AOC retracted tweets and video, AOC was not present and was in a different building(wing?) When the doors were breached.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Feb 14 @ 8:50 PM ET
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Feb 15 @ 12:15 PM ET

- Marwood


Ouch, you retracted Vantels valentines, cold dude, cold.
VanHockeyGuy
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Joined: 04.26.2012

Feb 15 @ 12:45 PM ET
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Feb 15 @ 12:53 PM ET

- VanHockeyGuy



Watch as mass media continues to push regular people into boxes labeled as racist, bigots, alt right, etc...
The irony of this is it's text book bigotry. The 73m people who voted for rump aren't all racists. Labeling them just avoids the conversation and furthers the divide between them and the communists.
RealityChecker
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund
Joined: 04.18.2010

Feb 15 @ 1:01 PM ET

Watch as mass media continues to push regular people into boxes labeled as racist, bigots, alt right, etc...
The irony of this is it's text book bigotry. The 73m people who voted for rump aren't all racists. Labeling them just avoids the conversation and furthers the divide between them and the communists.

- Pres.cup

here's what i get from what you write.
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