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Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 27 @ 4:53 PM ET
IMac says Bozaks asking price was too high Canucks dropped out.
- VANTEL

When Bozak doesn't sign in the first couple days, he will drop his price tag. Guy has never done anything to make him worth 6m.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jun 27 @ 4:55 PM ET
ITs not just utica all the players in the league dont play like the nhl the league as a whole is very watered down. I am not the only one thinks this.. its much harder for a pure skill guy to develop when everyone else is playing water bug hockey.
- mauryballstein

It is slowly getting better around the league. within 5 years there will be a lot more skilled players per team than there is today.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 27 @ 5:01 PM ET
When Bozak doesn't sign in the first couple days, he will drop his price tag. Guy has never done anything to make him worth 6m.
- Retinalz

He's 32 and declining. I'd be surprised if someone paid over 4 per season for him.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jun 27 @ 5:11 PM ET
IMac says Bozaks asking price was too high Canucks dropped out.
- VANTEL

Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 27 @ 5:13 PM ET
Chicago didn't want Chaput but just traded for Schroeder
- VANTEL


They just wanted to free up that extra contract in kero.
Fisticus
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canada, BC
Joined: 01.06.2007

Jun 27 @ 5:13 PM ET
When Bozak doesn't sign in the first couple days, he will drop his price tag. Guy has never done anything to make him worth 6m.
- Retinalz


If Bozak gets 6 its attrocious - how that look to the Horvat and Brock camps? Loui Erikson is bad enough...
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jun 27 @ 5:19 PM ET
If Bozak gets 6 its attrocious - how that look to the Horvat and Brock camps? Loui Erikson is bad enough...
- Fisticus


No one will pay him 6 mil . Remember Cody Franson
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 5:26 PM ET
When Bozak doesn't sign in the first couple days, he will drop his price tag. Guy has never done anything to make him worth 6m.
- Retinalz



Let’s just hope the Canucks don’t come circling back
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 27 @ 5:28 PM ET
Yeah, this is why it's good to have an extra pick or 2 per draft while rebuilding, eve if they're later picks. The more lottery tickets, the higher chance you find a needle in the haystack.
- Nucker101



True but my fear is over saturation of prospects & too vanilla. We need the already drafted players to step up & be legit difference makers. Getting to the point we need high quality vs more quantity.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 5:29 PM ET
They just wanted to free up that extra contract in kero.
- Codes1087


Which is weird since he’s waived exempt, a good AHL player that doesn’t count as an “AHL vet” and has played okay in call ups.

It’s possible that he maybe asked to be moved to a weaker team to get a chance to stick in the NHL maybe?


Not that it really matters but I found the whole move bizarre
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 27 @ 5:29 PM ET
It's taken 5 years to get it started.
- A_SteamingLombardi


We knew that going in given the cup run mentality we went through. All good & lots of hope now & just needs patience.
LemonHart
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 03.22.2017

Jun 27 @ 5:29 PM ET
I’m all for getting Spezza. A perfect fit to get the kids offense going & we can eat the money no probs at that. I’d say a 2nd is all the Stars would give up or maybe a prosoect but I’d prefer the pick instead for the draft in Van next year.
- Nighthawk


Ya, I'd take the 2nd too. But I think with Jim's track record in trades I'd shy away from a prospect, unless Ty is already a prospect.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 5:31 PM ET
True but my fear is over saturation of prospects & too vanilla. We need the already drafted players to step up & be legit difference makers. Getting to the point we need high quality vs more quantity.
- Nighthawk


No such thing as too many prospects. The more, the better. If you have prospects competing with each other just to get AHL time then you know you’ll have a strong development program where the scrubs get trimmed early.

Having prospects directly competing with each other and pushing each other to get better is a dream scenario actually.

Better than having just a few decent prospects put that get put on a pedestal
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 27 @ 5:32 PM ET
ITs not just utica all the players in the league dont play like the nhl the league as a whole is very watered down. I am not the only one thinks this.. its much harder for a pure skill guy to develop when everyone else is playing water bug hockey.
- mauryballstein



The league is far from watered down on the contrary tbh. Its evolved way past that.
LemonHart
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 03.22.2017

Jun 27 @ 5:32 PM ET
I still think you guys are overestimating how badly the Stars want to dump him. He only has 1 year left and there's some belief that he rebounds away from Hitch.

If they sign Tavares then it's a different story.

- Nucker101


It would only work if they sign Tavares, however they have to sign 9 players and only have 19 million (if my memory is correct) to work with.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 27 @ 5:32 PM ET

- VANTEL


Is that Lucic?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 27 @ 5:34 PM ET
It would only work if they sign Tavares, however they have to sign 9 players and only have 19 million (if my memory is correct) to work with.
- LemonHart


The Center market is more bare than ever. Someone will take a chance on Spezza for 1year without demanding the Stars add much to the deal
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 27 @ 5:35 PM ET
If Bozak gets 6 its attrocious - how that look to the Horvat and Brock camps? Loui Erikson is bad enough...
- Fisticus


6smill for Bozo makes LE look good lol
LE has been a big overpaid disappointment but can only do better. We’ve seen Bozo’s best & its pretty average at best.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 27 @ 5:37 PM ET
Ya, I'd take the 2nd too. But I think with Jim's track record in trades I'd shy away from a prospect, unless Ty is already a prospect.
- LemonHart


The prospect was an after thought not a wish. The key is Spezza would be a great help for the kids in what he can offer. An offensive C is important for us.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jun 27 @ 5:39 PM ET
Which is weird since he’s waived exempt, a good AHL player that doesn’t count as an “AHL vet” and has played okay in call ups.

It’s possible that he maybe asked to be moved to a weaker team to get a chance to stick in the NHL maybe?


Not that it really matters but I found the whole move bizarre

- Nucker101


Yeah i dont really get it either. He is perfect for a teams AHL depth. Contract management is a big part of running a team though so bowman might be up to something
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 27 @ 5:39 PM ET
No such thing as too many prospects. The more, the better. If you have prospects competing with each other just to get AHL time then you know you’ll have a strong development program where the scrubs get trimmed early.

Having prospects directly competing with each other and pushing each other to get better is a dream scenario actually.

Better than having just a few decent prospects put that get put on a pedestal

- Nucker101



True but its the 50 contract max i refer to. Yes as long as JB continues a revolving door attiude if he sees no hope for prospects being a fit down the road. Aka Subban.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jun 27 @ 5:40 PM ET
Which is weird since he’s waived exempt, a good AHL player that doesn’t count as an “AHL vet” and has played okay in call ups.

It’s possible that he maybe asked to be moved to a weaker team to get a chance to stick in the NHL maybe?


Not that it really matters but I found the whole move bizarre

- Nucker101

According to cap friendly, neither player is waiver exempt.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jun 27 @ 5:40 PM ET
It would only work if they sign Tavares, however they have to sign 9 players and only have 19 million (if my memory is correct) to work with.
- LemonHart


Hence Spezza moved for cap space.
LemonHart
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 03.22.2017

Jun 27 @ 5:51 PM ET
In the vein of 'weaponizing cap space' does anyone know if a team can trade for the remnants of bought out contracts?
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jun 27 @ 5:55 PM ET
In the vein of 'weaponizing cap space' does anyone know if a team can trade for the remnants of bought out contracts?
- LemonHart

Pretty sure you can't.
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