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fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Mar 16 @ 5:40 PM ET
http://sports.yahoo.com/b...iacontentstory&soc_trk=tw



This team would still finish higher then the Leafs and Oilers
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Mar 16 @ 5:40 PM ET
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Mar 16 @ 5:41 PM ET

- Scooby_Doo



VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 16 @ 5:42 PM ET
Unless there is already a plan in place I'm not sure how the league can push this through in a short amount of time. Players that have negotiated contracts that have NTC or NMC should have the right to nix any deal their not happy with, I can't see the league just tearing up their contacts because of expansion, bad precedence and likely illegal.
- Makita



I heard yesterday that the expansion drafts supersede NMC and NTC . It is already written into the CBA
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 16 @ 5:46 PM ET

- Scooby_Doo

MaWLz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Langley , BC
Joined: 01.05.2009

Mar 16 @ 5:46 PM ET
My understanding of the expansion draft is that the each team can protect 1 goalie, 3 d men and 7 forwards. Players with 2 or less "pro" seasons (NHL or AHL) are draft exempt.

So Virtanen, McCann, Hutton Horvat Pedan, Trymankin would be safe. The big question would be, who would Benning list as protected players. My guess:

Henrik
Daniel
Hansen
Sutter
Baertschi
Granlund
Dorsett

Edler
Tanev
Sbsia

Markstrom

- fiveandagame

By the time the draft happens pretty sure they'll all have to be protected
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Mar 16 @ 5:47 PM ET
My understanding of the expansion draft is that the each team can protect 1 goalie, 3 d men and 7 forwards. Players with 2 or less "pro" seasons (NHL or AHL) are draft exempt.

So Virtanen, McCann, Hutton Horvat Pedan, Trymankin would be safe. The big question would be, who would Benning list as protected players. My guess:

Henrik
Daniel
Hansen
Sutter
Baertschi
Granlund
Dorsett

Edler
Tanev
Sbsia

Markstrom

- fiveandagame


Wouldn't the expansion draft be next summer and since all those young guys would have played 2 years by then they would have to be protected?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Mar 16 @ 5:50 PM ET
Wouldn't the expansion draft be next summer and since all those young guys would have played 2 years by then they would have to be protected?
- neem55


Not if expansion is for 2017-18. 2016-17 seems a bit rushed
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Mar 16 @ 5:53 PM ET
Wouldn't the expansion draft be next summer and since all those young guys would have played 2 years by then they would have to be protected?
- neem55



2 years and under is my understanding. Horvat and Pedan would have to be protected. Virtanen, Hutton and McCann would be ok. I;m not sure about Tryminkin. I don't know if they take into account the KHL years.

fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Mar 16 @ 5:53 PM ET
Not if expansion is for 2017-18. 2016-17 seems a bit rushed
- Nighthawk


It is the NHL we are talking about here.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Mar 16 @ 5:55 PM ET
I love how when expansion draft gets brought up, suddenly the team is completely made up of players on expiring contracts / horrible contracts / or are just in general not very talented. I really don't think it works like that people.....
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Mar 16 @ 5:55 PM ET
My understanding of the expansion draft is that the each team can protect 1 goalie, 3 d men and 7 forwards. Players with 2 or less "pro" seasons (NHL or AHL) are draft exempt.

So Virtanen, McCann, Hutton Horvat Pedan, Trymankin would be safe. The big question would be, who would Benning list as protected players. My guess:

Henrik
Daniel
Hansen
Sutter
Baertschi
Granlund
Dorsett

Edler
Tanev
Sbsia

Markstrom

- fiveandagame


But what about Stamkos? Craig Button has Vancouver at 10-1 odds...
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 16 @ 5:58 PM ET
Not if expansion is for 2017-18. 2016-17 seems a bit rushed
- Nighthawk


Yesterday Dreger said the announcement will come out at the BOG meeting that LV will be a new expansion team in 2017. The expansion draft will be held that summer and that it is either a clause in all NMC and all NTC that those contracts are not protected in expansion drafts, or it is in the CBA . But it already has been accounted for.
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Mar 16 @ 5:58 PM ET
But what about Stamkos? Craig Button has Vancouver at 10-1 odds...

- WhiteLie



Benning misfiles the paperwork and Stamkos is the new #1 center in Las Vegas.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Mar 16 @ 5:59 PM ET
My understanding of the expansion draft is that the each team can protect 1 goalie, 3 d men and 7 forwards. Players with 2 or less "pro" seasons (NHL or AHL) are draft exempt.

So Virtanen, McCann, Hutton Horvat Pedan, Trymankin would be safe. The big question would be, who would Benning list as protected players. My guess:

Henrik
Daniel
Hansen
Sutter
Baertschi
Granlund
Dorsett

Edler
Tanev
Sbsia

Markstrom

- fiveandagame

come on people, this is 2 offseasons away if at all. These teams will / can change dramatically by then. Theres no point in figuring out the protected guys hours after it was talked about in media when there's 2 drafts and UFA seasons to go through. We have no clue on the lineup even to start the 2016 season if 2015 was an indication for us.

However what would be ideal is that if the draft is conducted before UFA season of 2017. Then you can expose all your pending UFAs that you wouldnt sign anyways. I have doubts this would happen, the NHL has been crossing its T's and dotting i's lately.

-Keep draftees in minors till exp draft is over with.
-Instead of buyouts (which retain some $ on cap) expose the player.
-unless excellent return, not much movement on TDL 2017 going outward.
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Mar 16 @ 6:02 PM ET
Yesterday Dreger said the announcement will come out at the BOG meeting that LV will be a new expansion team in 2017. The expansion draft will be held that summer and that it is either a clause in all NMC and all NTC that those contracts are not protected in expansion drafts, or it is in the CBA . But it already has been accounted for.
- VANTEL


If that is the case, Dorsett comes off the list and Horvat goes on. Lucic gets exposed to the draft after signing a 7 year 49 mil contract with Canucks this summer and puts up 25 pts.
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Mar 16 @ 6:03 PM ET
come on people, this is 2 offseasons away if at all. These teams will / can change dramatically by then. Theres no point in figuring out the protected guys hours after it was talked about in media when there's 2 drafts and UFA seasons to go through. We have no clue on the lineup even to start the 2016 season if 2015 was an indication for us.

However what would be ideal is that if the draft is conducted before UFA season of 2017. Then you can expose all your pending UFAs that you wouldnt sign anyways. I have doubts this would happen, the NHL has been crossing its T's and dotting i's lately.

-Keep draftees in minors till exp draft is over with.
-Instead of buyouts (which retain some $ on cap) expose the player.
-unless excellent return, not much movement on TDL 2017 going outward.

- SMBDragon



Sorry for bringing it up. We can all go back to talking about the tank, the Tree and the draft.

As you were.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Mar 16 @ 6:06 PM ET
It's one year. Give it time. I've played enough hockey in my lifetime up to the WHL to understand the winning/losing atmosphere. I just feel in EDM much more could have been done to help those kids along MNGT and coaching wise. To put all that on a 'losing culture' for 10 years makes absolutely no sense.
- LordHumungous

it does actually....otherwise the changes to management and coaching would have paid off. BUt you are right that give it a year or two....maybe 3. Like I said it takes awhile to get rid of that losing culture that gets ingrained in a team.

If those teams dont have it then explain the difference in a coaching change in philly paying off....Im sure hes a better coach than the oilers have but babcock is debatable. Yet they responded immediately and oilers and leafs are STILL at the bottom.

Just because you dont see it doesnt make it untrue.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Mar 16 @ 6:06 PM ET
If that is the case, Dorsett comes off the list and Horvat goes on. Lucic gets exposed to the draft after signing a 7 year 49 mil contract with Canucks this summer and puts up 25 pts.
- fiveandagame


Offset by drafting Ty Ronning n he puts up 150 pts.
WhiteLie
Referee
Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Mar 16 @ 6:10 PM ET
Benning misfiles the paperwork and Stamkos is the new #1 center in Las Vegas.
- fiveandagame


Classic Benning
hillbillydeluxe
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I didn't read it , BC
Joined: 09.21.2013

Mar 16 @ 6:12 PM ET
Yesterday Dreger said the announcement will come out at the BOG meeting that LV will be a new expansion team in 2017. The expansion draft will be held that summer and that it is either a clause in all NMC and all NTC that those contracts are not protected in expansion drafts, or it is in the CBA . But it already has been accounted for.
- VANTEL


If you know the expansion draft is coming, wouldnt' you sign some players just to expose them?
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Mar 16 @ 6:12 PM ET
I agree it won't take place over night and most the kids currently playing will be eligible IMO.

Although I wouldn't put it past Bettman to tear up contracts and agreements, he basically did that by punishing backdiving contracts that were signed legally under the previous CBA.

The buyout concept also was technically illegal if I remember correctly.

- belcherbd

Im sure the NHLPA will get this sorted out prior to exp draft.

Im thinking that the player has signed with the individual team and the team cannot trade them but that the nhl is relocating them not the team thus making it legal? Or is it the NHL has the contract with the player and the team is the subcontractor? Pretty sure the NHL does the payrole for the players.

If NMC affect Exp draft then we could see a record number of them in 2016 /2017 contracts....and for a small term.
Scooby_Doo
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Somewhere close to Vancouver., BC
Joined: 06.10.2009

Mar 16 @ 6:15 PM ET
http://www.tsn.ca/kings-l...l-power-rankings-1.454434

When was the last time we were ranked 29th in power rankings?

Too bad that doesn't get us the second overall pick.
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Mar 16 @ 6:16 PM ET
But what about Stamkos? Craig Button has Vancouver at 10-1 odds...

- WhiteLie

where did you see that? Not that button is more than 30% right ever.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Mar 16 @ 6:16 PM ET
I love how when expansion draft gets brought up, suddenly the team is completely made up of players on expiring contracts / horrible contracts / or are just in general not very talented. I really don't think it works like that people.....
- Codes1087

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