I'm not sure I agree, I think if this team was healthy and in the playoff hunt we would see many of the vets the team has moved on from still in the lineup and possibly others acquired.

Health and standings have more to do with the youth movement than "the plan" IMO.

I think we still would have some youth and more than what we have seen in years past but not half the roster. Much like last season when we got 3 games of Baertschi.
- belcherbd

Absolutely.
This year has been an anomaly.

I'm not sure I agree, I think if this team was healthy and in the playoff hunt we would see many of the vets the team has moved on from still in the lineup and possibly others acquired.

Health and standings have more to do with the youth movement than "the plan" IMO.

I think we still would have some youth and more than what we have seen in years past but not half the roster. Much like last season when we got 3 games of Baertschi.
- belcherbd

I disagree, full and healthy lineup at the beginning of the year had Bo, Sven, Hutton, JV and JM on the roster, with JM/JV rotating in (so say 3-5 in the lineup at one time). Add in Etem, Granlund and Vey and you have that range I gave earlier. Health definitely got those 1-2 game appearances from a bunch of prospects, which I think was still a part of the plan. It was always the intent to bring in more young players and I think thats why we are seeing the lineups we have this year. If the youth had the team in a playoff position, I dont think you'd see less of them right now

I think the notion was to protect only one or if one was picked up by another team and not the other, they would likely retire or something... I try not to listen to closely anymore.
- hillbillydeluxe

It was the 1040 playing What Ifs. They really didn't think it through too well. They were suggesting if the Canucks has another bad year next year, and wanted to free up 14 mil in cap space leave them unprotected. If it came down to that I think you trade them instead of letting them walk for free.

Speaking of trades, the expansion draft is a perfect time to look at moving Edler and keeping Tanev and Hamhuis , if the team so wanted.

Because Edlers NTC is worthless in expansion draft , this is the time to go up to him and ask him for a list of 10 teams he would accept a trade to.

My choices for bad contracts still remains Sbisa and Dorsett

Does MLSE have a veto on allowing another NHL team on that new planet?
- A_SteamingLombardi

Idk MLSE has an NHL team.

It was the 1040 playing What Ifs. They really didn't think it through too well. They were suggesting if the Canucks has another bad year next year, and wanted to free up 14 mil in cap space leave them unprotected. If it came down to that I think you trade them instead of letting them walk for free.

Speaking of trades, the expansion draft is a perfect time to look at moving Edler and keeping Tanev and Hamhuis , if the team so wanted.

Because Edlers NTC is worthless in expansion draft , this is the time to go up to him and ask him for a list of 10 teams he would accept a trade to.

My choices for bad contracts still remains Sbisa and Dorsett
- VANTEL

I still dont mind the Sbisa contract. Term and dollars isnt a backbreaker to me. The only way I think it is bad is if it was being leveraged in negotiations for other players (say Hutton's next contract for example). He has had a tough go with injuries this year, but when healthy he's been a lot more reliable and could still earn his contract value by the time it expires

All #busts except for Kassian.
- LordHumungous

Markstrome says "hello".

It was the 1040 playing What Ifs. They really didn't think it through too well. They were suggesting if the Canucks has another bad year next year, and wanted to free up 14 mil in cap space leave them unprotected. If it came down to that I think you trade them instead of letting them walk for free.

Speaking of trades, the expansion draft is a perfect time to look at moving Edler and keeping Tanev and Hamhuis , if the team so wanted.

Because Edlers NTC is worthless in expansion draft , this is the time to go up to him and ask him for a list of 10 teams he would accept a trade to.

My choices for bad contracts still remains Sbisa and Dorsett
- VANTEL

My understanding of the expansion draft is that the each team can protect 1 goalie, 3 d men and 7 forwards. Players with 2 or less "pro" seasons (NHL or AHL) are draft exempt.

So Virtanen, McCann, Hutton Horvat Pedan, Trymankin would be safe. The big question would be, who would Benning list as protected players. My guess:

Henrik
Daniel
Hansen
Sutter
Baertschi
Granlund
Dorsett

Edler
Tanev
Sbsia

Markstrom

My understanding of the expansion draft is that the each team can protect 1 goalie, 3 d men and 7 forwards. Players with 2 or less "pro" seasons (NHL or AHL) are draft exempt.

So Virtanen, McCann, Hutton Horvat Pedan, Trymankin would be safe. The big question would be, who would Benning list as protected players. My guess:

Henrik
Daniel
Hansen
Sutter
Baertschi
Granlund
Dorsett

Edler
Tanev
Sbsia

Markstrom
- fiveandagame

Can protect and wanting to protect are two different things. It is a perfect time for teams to drop unwanted contracts. Teams like LA can drop Brown , we can drop Dorsett. CBL could leave Clarkson unprotected

Can protect and wanting to protect are two different things. It is a perfect time for teams to drop unwanted contracts. Teams like LA can drop Brown , we can drop Dorsett. CBL could leave Clarkson unprotected
- VANTEL

What if an unprotected player is not drafted? UFA or back to the team?

What if an unprotected player is not drafted? UFA or back to the team?
- belcherbd

Still under contract n teams still own them .
They never left just exposed.

My understanding of the expansion draft is that the each team can protect 1 goalie, 3 d men and 7 forwards. Players with 2 or less "pro" seasons (NHL or AHL) are draft exempt.

So Virtanen, McCann, Hutton Horvat Pedan, Trymankin would be safe. The big question would be, who would Benning list as protected players. My guess:


- fiveandagame

Wouldn't that only be the case if expansion happened this year? Horvat is already 2 pro seasons.

Also Pedan has played pro since the 12-13 season.
Would KHL seasons not count as pro games?

Still under contract n teams still own them .
They never left just exposed.
- Nighthawk

So my guess Clarkson and maybe even Brown and Dorsett don't get picked up.

Still under contract n teams still own them .
They never left just exposed.
- Nighthawk

Too bad

So my guess Clarkson and maybe even Brown and Dorsett don't get picked up.
- belcherbd

All thirty teams will be dumping their garbage.

Lord....yes TO and oilers have better management and coaching now, so why arent they tearing up the league then? This is a good example of the losing culture having a grip on the team. It takes time to shed that. The new management and coaches help shed that too but its going to take time.
If your argument that a losing culture has no merit (and JB disagrees with you btw) then these teams should be successful and playoff bound and not firmly anchored to the basement floor like both are.
Maybe just maybe there is more at play here Lord. Losing and winning pedigrees exist. Losing Particularly in impressionable young men that are handed riches and fame they arent ready for.

Like many other arguments and concepts out there, Just because you dont see it doesnt make it untrue.
- SMBDragon

It's one year. Give it time. I've played enough hockey in my lifetime up to the WHL to understand the winning/losing atmosphere. I just feel in EDM much more could have been done to help those kids along MNGT and coaching wise. To put all that on a 'losing culture' for 10 years makes absolutely no sense.

Markstrome says "hello".
- Pres.cup

lol you'll understand when Demko is the man here.

All thirty teams will be trying to dump their garbage.
- VANTEL

fixed

450 or more players will be exposed if it is only 8 players protect and basing that off a 23 man roster. Only 2 teams will be picking up players, which I assume would be between 23 and 50 each?

So maybe 80 players get picked up out 450+.

Wouldn't that only be the case if expansion happened this year? Horvat is already 2 pro seasons.

Also Pedan has played pro since the 12-13 season.
Would KHL seasons not count as pro games?
- belcherbd

You are probably right about Horvat. Then you protect him and not Dorsett. I have no idea is KHL counts. Depending on how Pedan looks next year maybe you protect him instead of Sbsia.

Can protect and wanting to protect are two different things. It is a perfect time for teams to drop unwanted contracts. Teams like LA can drop Brown , we can drop Dorsett. CBL could leave Clarkson unprotected
- VANTEL

I would have no problem dropping Dorsett. I just get the feeling Benning and Willie really like him and would protect him.

Wouldn't that only be the case if expansion happened this year? Horvat is already 2 pro seasons.

Also Pedan has played pro since the 12-13 season.
Would KHL seasons not count as pro games?
- belcherbd

Unless there is already a plan in place I'm not sure how the league can push this through in a short amount of time. Players that have negotiated contracts that have NTC or NMC should have the right to nix any deal their not happy with, I can't see the league just tearing up their contacts because of expansion, bad precedence and likely illegal.

All thirty teams will be dumping their garbage.
- VANTEL

If there is one team then every team loses on player. Two teams, two players.

The expansion teams will need to get to the cap floor so guys like Brown might actually be valuable.

Unless there is already a plan in place I'm not sure how the league can push this through in a short amount of time. Players that have negotiated contracts that have NTC or NMC should have the right to nix any deal their not happy with, I can't see the league just tearing up their contacts because of expansion, bad precedence and likely illegal.
- Makita

That is going to be a hot topic. I read that NMC prevent a team from trading a players or waiving a player. There has been nothing put into these clauses that mentions expansion draft. It sounds like guys with NMC could still get picked up.

Unless there is already a plan in place I'm not sure how the league can push this through in a short amount of time. Players that have negotiated contracts that have NTC or NMC should have the right to nix any deal their not happy with, I can't see the league just tearing up their contacts because of expansion, bad precedence and likely illegal.
- Makita

I agree it won't take place over night and most the kids currently playing will be eligible IMO.

Although I wouldn't put it past Bettman to tear up contracts and agreements, he basically did that by punishing backdiving contracts that were signed legally under the previous CBA.

The buyout concept also was technically illegal if I remember correctly.