Again, that's a response in the moment without really thinking it through. Losing Seabrook without any gain would be horrendous for the Hawks, just like Brandon Saad. But after the Saad deal had time to sink in, I think the Hawks got BETTER. Wouldn't Bowman do the same thing if he had to move say Seabrook and Sharp? What would most teams on the cusp of greatness give up to acquire these two? I bet, it would be a lot!
- MexicoHawk

I asked if he was willing to do it. I wasn't saying he won't. I'm betting he won't. Like you said, Stan is smart. he knows what he needs, and he's been very good at fielding a competitive team. I think he's got more options than to immediate jump to moving Seabrook if Sharp isn't fetching the return he's looking for. Losing Seabrook, IMO, is too detrimental to gamble on some prospects with upside. There's always the chance those prospects don't live up to the hype and we are stuck with no D core outside of 2 and 4.

Nurse and Draitsel?
- vabeachbear

Nurse, Draisaitl, & Klefbom for Seabs & Rundblad

Would make me think...

CC is going way before Seabs
- Maggie

Thanks for checking in Stan.

Nurse, Draisaitl, & Klefbom for Seabs & Rundblad

Would make me think...
- Dannyboy

because klefbom for rundblad adds value for the oilers...

Nurse, Draisaitl, & Klefbom for Seabs & Rundblad

Would make me think...
- Dannyboy

It would make me think too, about ways to say, "no".

because klefbom for rundblad adds value for the oilers...
- flyershockey

No. Price for paying for Seabs.

Again, that's a response in the moment without really thinking it through. Losing Seabrook without any gain would be horrendous for the Hawks, just like Brandon Saad. But after the Saad deal had time to sink in, I think the Hawks got BETTER. Wouldn't Bowman do the same thing if he had to move say Seabrook and Sharp? What would most teams on the cusp of greatness give up to acquire these two? I bet, it would be a lot!
- MexicoHawk

It's possible they are talking and hearing a very large number from Seab's agent. Hard to imagine the Hawks paying him more than $7.5m.

But where does the return for Seabs that improves the Hawks come from? It's not the Oilers. You want d men back with at least Seabs upside. Aside from Nurse they don't have much. Dallas, NYI, FL, Buff maybe Philly have the assets but maybe not the will. Saad had the benefit of being 23. He fits with the tail end of a rebuild. Does Seabs?

Nurse, Draisaitl, & Klefbom for Seabs & Rundblad

Would make me think...
- Dannyboy

I think that might be a slight bit off. I like the idea tho.

Nurse, Draisaitl, & Klefbom for Seabs & Rundblad

Would make me think...
- Dannyboy

I believe you get either/or in a package back not both nurse and Leon

No. Price for paying for Seabs.
- Dannyboy

thats why nurse was included. did you know hes donovan mcnabbs nephew?

you know this isnt remotely original right?
- flyershockey

I know no one on the flyers haas done it before

Nurse, Draisaitl, & Klefbom for Seabs & Rundblad

Would make me think...
- Dannyboy

Hatred for Rundblad is strong with this one.

Nurse is an ok start. That deal would have to expand a lot more to make it work to help the Hawks near term though. I would hope Stan would approach Dale about Gudbranson or some other GM about a few younger d now in the NHL and playing well.

I know no one on the flyers haas done it before

- Yikes726

they know its not very cleanly to do so, that is why

Again, that's a response in the moment without really thinking it through. Losing Seabrook without any gain would be horrendous for the Hawks, just like Brandon Saad. But after the Saad deal had time to sink in, I think the Hawks got BETTER. Wouldn't Bowman do the same thing if he had to move say Seabrook and Sharp? What would most teams on the cusp of greatness give up to acquire these two? I bet, it would be a lot!
- MexicoHawk

I am starting to think your right and within reason everyone is on a ledge at the right price.

Hatred for Rundblad is strong with this one.

Nurse is an ok start. That deal would have to expand a lot more to make it work to help the Hawks near term though. I would hope Stan would approach Dale about Gudbranson or some other GM about a few younger d now in the NHL and playing well.
- tredbrta

i see seabrook is turning into nick lidstrom as these offers build.

I know no one on the flyers haas done it before

- Yikes726

haha, true

Again, if one wishes to understand what is happening in Bowman's mind right now, then you have to open your own! Stan Bowman is VERY SMART, not a dummy. However, besides smart he is also clever and even a little sly. Ergo, how do you turn a negative into a positive? Make everyone believe you are vulnerable, injured in some way and allow them to come closer and closer, "sniff" out the situation. You begin to discuss some things that are relatively harmless, before suddenly throwing out a "bombshell" of desperation to lure the opponent in and render them surprised, with a time limit. Sound familiar? As I said before, had Bowman approached Jarmo Kekäläinen at the beginning of their discussions with a plan to acquire Anisimov AND Marko Dano, it would NOT have happened. The fact that midway through their discussions that Bowman used the "rumour" of an offer sheet on Saad to suddenly and surprisingly move him, caught Jarmo off guard. Dano was asked for as responsible value for a player the stature of Brandon Saad and the CLB GM had to agree! Deal done.

Can't move Sharp for anything of value? Potential "secret" deals with Oduya and Kruger at apparent risk the longer the Hawks delay? Once again, another crisis for the Blackhawks...Bowman is weak and can be taken advantage of! If that were true, Sharp would have been traded by now for next to nothing...a lottery ticket...but that's NOT what's happened! Sometimes to get other smart people to "help you out" is to "trick" them. Again, another scenario..."Stan, what your asking for Sharpy is too much and let's face it you're not in any position to demand anything, I can't help you" ..."okay, listen about Sharp, I'm in another jam and I can now sweeten the pot for you, but you've only got a day to think about it because I have to close this one fast...Sharp and Seabrook (with a whole year to resign him) for...

Again, the last thing Stan Bowman wants is to trade Brent Seabrook...but remember, the last thing that Stan Bowman wanted a week ago was to trade Brandon Saad, a player he promised Hawk fans would re-sign here...but you have to do what you have to do to protect this team's chances at continuing winning Cups NOW! How does Quenneville and Company do that without Brent Seabrook and Brandon Saad? Replace them with younger, cheaper, cost controlled versions that have big upsides within a strong system, that's how! Now, I don't know that this is what is in the works anywhere, but it sure feels like it because there are teams out there, I can guarantee it, that would have taken deals on both Sharp and Versteeg for just picks by now if that's what Bowman wanted. So ask yourself, with potential deals for Oduya and Kruger at risk daily, why is he continuing to delay the process of trading away Cap space? Before you answer, think Sherlock Holmes..."once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
- MexicoHawk

i have alot of faith in Stan but i think the rose colored glasses need to come off until he actually proves your theory.

they know its not very cleanly to do so, that is why
- flyershockey

Messier, with his 6 cup wins, once stated he would NEVER drink or eat out of that cup. He has seen enough to know its not a good idea. I don't care how clean it is you know that cup has been puked in at best and I do not want to even think of the worst (just think babies and leave it at that).

I'm a Blackhawks fan and I've even got to say that may be a little unrealistic.
- nurk

nurk meet Fivvy...

Seabrook for 2 guys who never played more than 5 games in the NHL and one who has barely half a season? Looks like a solid deal to me.

Let's do this.

What can they get for Keith?

Seabrook has 3 cups...McDavid has zero. I can't really see why it shouldnt be McDavid +
- nurk

i see seabrook is turning into nick lidstrom as these offers build.
- flyershockey

Please share with us what you think his value is worth?

I remember the uproar in Feb 2011 on the Seabrook extension and how Bowman in the midst of a cap crunch (<---Some things never change) should never have signed Seabrook to 5.8 million cap hit. Not that the posters didn't like Seabrook as a player, but MOST said this was an overpay and we should have traded Seabrook for multiple younger players who can help with the cap.

Glad our front office had the foresight to pay him back then EH!!!

I'm a Blackhawks fan and I've even got to say that may be a little unrealistic.
- nurk

Youre missing my point. If SB were to rip the heart out of a depleted hawk D then it better well be worth it. Yes its lopsided but nothing we'd get in return short of mc david would make up for it.

i have alot of faith in Stan but i think the rose colored glasses need to come off until he actually proves your theory.
- SaskHawkFan

Think his point is Stan did actually prove it with the Sadd trade.

That being said, can't understand not trading anyone to get to cap in shape, but I'm being patient, 3 cups does that to me.