Well except for the fact that the potential market in AZ is a huge and QC is tiny. Also, the NHL hasn't moved a team in what 20 years? 30 almost? They don't want to, and if QC does get a team, the NHL would probably prefer them to pay a half billion dollar expansion fee.

So much of the talk surrounding the out-clause is complete BS>
- James_Tanner

Key word potentially. My guess would be that a team in QC would be worth 500 mill and what are the coyotes worth now? As a business owner it would make sense to move the team. QC is a lot safer market than PHX

Well except for the fact that the potential market in AZ is a huge and QC is tiny. Also, the NHL hasn't moved a team in what 20 years? 30 almost? They don't want to, and if QC does get a team, the NHL would probably prefer them to pay a half billion dollar expansion fee.

So much of the talk surrounding the out-clause is complete BS>
- James_Tanner

Atlanta to Winnipeg in 2011 = 4 years
Hartford to Carolina in 1997 = 18 years
Winnipeg to Arizona in 1996 = 19 years
Quebec to Colorado in 1995 = 20 years
Minnesota to Dallas in 1993 = 22 years
Colorado to New Jersey in 1982 = 33 years

There were quite a few almost 20 years ago, Atlanta was the first with more to follow?

Atlanta to Winnipeg in 2011 = 4 years
Hartford to Carolina in 1997 = 18 years
Winnipeg to Arizona in 1996 = 19 years
Quebec to Colorado in 1995 = 20 years
Minnesota to Dallas in 1993 = 22 years
Colorado to New Jersey in 1982 = 33 years

There were quite a few almost 20 years ago, Atlanta was the first with more to follow?
- Dangles13

Winnipeg should never have been moved IMO.

Atlanta?
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Oh crap hahaha I totally gapped on that one.

Key word potentially. My guess would be that a team in QC would be worth 500 mill and what are the coyotes worth now? As a business owner it would make sense to move the team. QC is a lot safer market than PHX
- kessellover69

Yes but it makes no sense for the NHL - they aren't going to turn their nose up at a half a billion bucks. The Coyotes are not moving.

Hanifin would still be the top rated defense prospect in this class if Matthews were eligible. He'd fall in somewhere ranked 6-10 in this draft I believe. It'd be interesting to see people debate whether he or Provorov is more ready.

subban is an extremely dynamic player, and is such a weapon from the point. but hes so ordinary defensively.

in a tight checking series like this where you cant make any mistakes, I take hedman over him any day.
much like last year against mcdonagh


stralmans been way better than pk as well

Yes but it makes no sense for the NHL - they aren't going to turn their nose up at a half a billion bucks. The Coyotes are not moving.
- James_Tanner

But from my understanding since the move clause was activated because the yotes lost so much money it's the owners choice to move if he pleases
Edit: when do you say enough is enough and Phoenix isn't going to be successful. They are what 4 years removed from a western conference final appearance. What would it take to make this market work and my opinion is nothing

subban is an extremely dynamic player, and is such a weapon from the point. but hes so ordinary defensively.

in a tight checking series like this where you cant make any mistakes, I take hedman over him any day.
much like last year against mcdonagh


stralmans been way better than pk as well
- Ihateallofu

This is why I hate the Norris trophy now. Doughty is the only deserving player amongst the finalists.

This is why I hate the Norris trophy now. Doughty is the only deserving player amongst the finalists.
- kessellover69

agreed.

I tend to agree with the love karlsson gets cause he dominates games by himself so often. but pk has a long way to go to be considered in my top 5 defencemen.
as far as pure flash and dash and offensive talent?? no question hes in the top few.

but theres just so much more to being among the best defencemen that can control the play and dominate all over the ice

Hanifin would still be the top rated defense prospect in this class if Matthews were eligible. He'd fall in somewhere ranked 6-10 in this draft I believe. It'd be interesting to see people debate whether he or Provorov is more ready.
- dps0610

Hard to compare, by this time next year, maybe he's 6'4. If he were eligible he'd be the youngest in his draft class. Saying "He's around 8th" or whatever is ridiculous cause neither of us watches enough junior hockey to know. He's big and talented. As a hometown kid, I think they'd bite the bullet and draft him or trade down and get him if in fact he'd been younger.

But just going by hype and what people say, he's gonna be elite. Hard to separate the hype from fact, but some have said he'd go before Eichel.

But from my understanding since the move clause was activated because the yotes lost so much money it's the owners choice to move if he pleases
Edit: when do you say enough is enough and Phoenix isn't going to be successful. They are what 4 years removed from a western conference final appearance. What would it take to make this market work and my opinion is nothing
- kessellover69

The out clause very specifically gives them 180 days to leave, four years from right now. If they don't take it, they're locked in for like 20 years (though it may be more or less).

Reports of how much they've lost are BS and it's not the only factor anyways. I mean, they retained a ton of salary (max) and bought out Ribeiro. With just that you can count 10 million or so.

The out clause very specifically gives them 180 days to leave, four years from right now. If they don't take it, they're locked in for like 20 years (though it may be more or less).

Reports of how much they've lost are BS and it's not the only factor anyways. I mean, they retained a ton of salary (max) and bought out Ribeiro. With just that you can count 10 million or so.
- James_Tanner

Reports have said they have lost close to 30 million this year

agreed.

I tend to agree with the love karlsson gets cause he dominates games by himself so often. but pk has a long way to go to be considered in my top 5 defencemen.
as far as pure flash and dash and offensive talent?? no question hes in the top few.

but theres just so much more to being among the best defencemen that can control the play and dominate all over the ice
- Ihateallofu

60 points and dominates possession. While I'd rank both OEL and Muzzin over anyone nominated this year, PK is legit and the 'he doesn't play D' stuff is boring. He's awesome.

If he wins the award, it wouldn't be undeserved.

Reports have said they have lost close to 30 million this year
- kessellover69

Yeah well, reports by who? I mean, if they choose to exersize the opt out they'll be examined by an independent accountant, claimed losses, estimates and what will get you out of a contract with a million subclauses are totally different things.

60 points and dominates possession. While I'd rank both OEL and Muzzin over anyone nominated this year, PK is legit and the 'he doesn't play D' stuff is boring. He's awesome.

If he wins the award, it wouldn't be undeserved.
- James_Tanner

hes weak defensively. and abit mistake prone. makes too many bad decisions too
more style than substance. but fun to watch and lethal from the point on the powerplay.

but hes not even the best defencemen on his own team in this series, let alone near hedman or close to as steady as stralman. (stralman is so effin good)


you like numbers more than watching the games.
weve established this.

Matthews woulda been number 2. he is better than Eichel.

60 points and dominates possession. While I'd rank both OEL and Muzzin over anyone nominated this year, PK is legit and the 'he doesn't play D' stuff is boring. He's awesome.

If he wins the award, it wouldn't be undeserved.
- James_Tanner

he is out of position way too often and takes a tonne of minor penalties as a result.
great offensive player, average defensively. Lidstrom he is not

60 points and dominates possession. While I'd rank both OEL and Muzzin over anyone nominated this year, PK is legit and the 'he doesn't play D' stuff is boring. He's awesome.

If he wins the award, it wouldn't be undeserved.
- James_Tanner

Do you think muzzin would look nearly as good if he wasn't playing with doughty?

Do you think muzzin would look nearly as good if he wasn't playing with doughty?
- kessellover69

muzzin is certainly underrated.

but hes nowhere near being among the truly elite or the top 3 defenders this season.


its either a troll attempt, or hes much less knowledgeable than I gave him credit for

In fact there is a 180 day window four years from now where they can move the team if they meet a whole bunch of options, one of which is losing $50 Million.

But they are 100% safe for four more years. And even then, it's still an extremely remote possibility that they'd be able to opt out or even want to. People tend to forget that should the Coyotes actually produce a good product for several years in a row and gain a foothold in the desert, that the greater Phoenix area is one of the biggest markets in the USA and for sure the biggest untapped one.
- James_Tanner

Haven't they had like 20 years to get a foothold in the desert ? At what point do you call it a failure ?

muzzin is certainly underrated.

but hes nowhere near being among the truly elite or the top 3 defenders this season.


its either a troll attempt, or hes much less knowledgeable than I gave him credit for
- Ihateallofu

We all know Doughty is nothing without him.

muzzin is certainly underrated.

but hes nowhere near being among the truly elite.


its either a troll attempt, or hes much less knowledgeable than I gave him credit for
- Ihateallofu

Don't get me wrong I would love to have muzzin on my team and so would any other team... But to say he's better than doughty, weber, Keith , suter is laughable. Just for an example of let's say you were to trade a player and the teams offered you Hamilton, jones, ekblad, hedman, mcdonagh or muzzin straight up for your player who are you going to take. Muzzin is a ways a way from being a top 15 dman

When the Oilers win him next year, perhaps the NHL will finally revisit its rules for the draft.
- archromat

Yup with the new rules next year the chance of them winning yet again will be realistic even if they just miss the playoffs.

Mathews like Couturier is an early birthday. It means he can be nearly a full year older than some of the other top kids in the draft. Huge difference when you compare a 17 year old to a 16 year old. Couturier went into his draft year the consensus #1 pick. He faded in the rankings once the season started. I suspect that Mathews who would not be a top 5 this year misses the top 5 next year.