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bazookajo1
Location: land of the Blackberry
Joined: 06.24.2011

Feb 16 @ 6:18 PM ET
I thought the only adjustments were for the final 4
- Dozzer

Entry Draft Order
The order of selection among the Member Clubs in each season shall be determined in the following manner:
A composite of all Member Clubs shall be prepared by placing:
i) First the Clubs which failed to qualify for the preceding playoffs in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest points total and followed by the Club having the next lowest points total, and so forth.
ii) The Clubs which participated in the preceding playoffs (but had not been ranked first in their respective Divisions and had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.
iii) The Clubs which had been ranked first in their Divisions during the next preceding season (but had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.
iv) The Stanley Cup winner shall select last, thus, positioning all Clubs on the list.
In the event of a tie for any position, such tie shall be resolved by application of the rules governing the determination of final League standings. The resulting list shall constitute the order of selection.
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 16 @ 6:18 PM ET
He is the reason I can't pick ManU as my team in the league. Something about him rubs me the wrong way. I am becoming hooked since its shown here now.

don't laugh but am leaning toward Arsenal only because of the little Spanish Italian. lol Love the the energy he plays with.

- Elbows15


Arsenal are solid enough, though Spurs would be my second favourite.


Harry Kane
orienbrady22
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor, ON
Joined: 02.14.2013

Feb 16 @ 6:18 PM ET
I thought the only adjustments were for the final 4
- Dozzer


im not positive... people on here saying it goes by elimination, so if thats the case 22nd is do able.....
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Feb 16 @ 6:19 PM ET
Entry Draft Order
The order of selection among the Member Clubs in each season shall be determined in the following manner:
A composite of all Member Clubs shall be prepared by placing:
i) First the Clubs which failed to qualify for the preceding playoffs in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest points total and followed by the Club having the next lowest points total, and so forth.
ii) The Clubs which participated in the preceding playoffs (but had not been ranked first in their respective Divisions and had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.
iii) The Clubs which had been ranked first in their Divisions during the next preceding season (but had not won the Stanley Cup that season) in the order of points earned by each of them in the regular schedule of the preceding season starting with the Club having the lowest total points and followed by the Club having the next lowest total points, and so forth.
iv) The Stanley Cup winner shall select last, thus, positioning all Clubs on the list.
In the event of a tie for any position, such tie shall be resolved by application of the rules governing the determination of final League standings. The resulting list shall constitute the order of selection.

- bazookajo1


http://proicehockey.about...w-The-Nhl-Draft-Works.htm
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 16 @ 6:20 PM ET
So that Florida "Rumour" includes Florida giving-up nothing to get Kessel. In other words, he ain't going to Florida.
- RogerRoeper


don't read too much into what has been said... the story has been floated by the Leaf ding-a-ling media and the response about Florida not given up any of their five top young players comes from Panthers ding-a-ling media.

Yes the same media that had Franson going to Montreal and Santorelli going to the Rangers.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 16 @ 6:20 PM ET
The way they have transferred the odds this year, it would at least be a little more likely than in the past...
- orienbrady22


I was using this years odds
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Feb 16 @ 6:21 PM ET
im not positive... people on here saying it goes by elimination, so if thats the case 22nd is do able.....
- orienbrady22


I just posted the link.

If Nashville finishes first overall and gets bounced in the first two round their pick is 26
bazookajo1
Location: land of the Blackberry
Joined: 06.24.2011

Feb 16 @ 6:22 PM ET
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/prospects/a/How-The-Nhl-Draft-Works.htm
- Dozzer

much easier to read
orienbrady22
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor, ON
Joined: 02.14.2013

Feb 16 @ 6:22 PM ET
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/prospects/a/How-The-Nhl-Draft-Works.htm
- Dozzer


so from this it looks like it won't be able to get to 22nd... dam.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 16 @ 6:22 PM ET
don't read too much into what has been said... the story has been floated by the Leaf ding-a-ling media and the response about Florida not given up any of their five top young players comes from Panthers ding-a-ling media.

Yes the same media that had Franson going to Montreal and Santorelli going to the Rangers.

- BorjeFan4Ever


In fairness, I heard both names going to the preds before the trade was made.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 16 @ 6:22 PM ET
I'm just not sold on a guy like Crouse who can't keep up with kids half his size. The problem with drafting players based on their size is their main weapon is a known commodity. Sure he can forecheck like a demon when it's against teenagers, but what happens when he's lined up against NHL competition?

I'd much rather a player like Marner who's throwing up two points a game while having to contend with being a smaller frame, and will always be as such so he won't need to change his game or mind. Crouse will need to adjust, and it may expose weaknesses.

As for Hanifin. He may be an LD, but if he's the best player available you take him. I'd take Werenski over Crouse as well. Those two are having excellent rookie years in the NCAA, a league where rookies usually lack for ice time. If having Hanifin and Rielly is redundant a few years from now you can move one for a position of need.

The Leafs need to draft the best player left on the board according to their scouts regardless of position. They aren't strong enough to ignore any prospect in favour of another.

- BetterCallSaul


I'm down for the Nashville route of lots of Dmen and trade one later
thehockeygod
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cloud 9, Halo County , ON
Joined: 05.28.2012

Feb 16 @ 6:22 PM ET
This is supposedly a great draft. How does Hanifin compare to Ekblad? If Hanifin was in last years draft where would he be rated.

I agree we have some nice prospects on D but no one I can say is a stud, a sure number one or even two guy.

- sparky



Fair question... Ekblad is far and away better then Hanifin....

If you combined the 2 drafts I say

McDavid
Ekblad
Eichel

Rielly is a stud top pairing Dman..... I like Hanifin but we need more forward prospects particularly at the C position.... if we can't get 1 of McDavid, Eichel or Strome... my next pick would be for Crouse or Marner..... if we can trade down a spot or 2 and let someone else draft Hanifin and get back another asset while still drafting 1 of the 2 I mentioned then I'm all for it! Don't get me wrong if the Leafs were to draft Hanifin I'd be more then ok with it.. I just feel we need more forward prospects... but in reality... I think the biggest thing is to sit down and interview the players and get an idea of where their heads are at psychologically... maybe that's why Hanifin is ranked so high... great head on his shoulders combined with his overall game!! Makes for 1 hell of a pick!
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Feb 16 @ 6:23 PM ET
so from this it looks like it won't be able to get to 22nd... dam.
- orienbrady22


Not unless Nashville drops off in the standings
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 16 @ 6:24 PM ET
In fairness, I heard both names going to the preds before the trade was made.
- systemtool


true... but most of the focus was elsewhere.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 16 @ 6:25 PM ET
I just posted the link.

If Nashville finishes first overall and gets bounced in the first two round their pick is 26

- Dozzer


BetterCallSaul
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Captain Morgan Rielly
Joined: 05.07.2013

Feb 16 @ 6:26 PM ET
Fair question... Ekblad is far and away better then Hanifin....

If you combined the 2 drafts I say

McDavid
Ekblad
Eichel

Rielly is a stud top pairing Dman..... I like Hanifin but we need more forward prospects particularly at the C position.... if we can't get 1 of McDavid, Eichel or Strome... my next pick would be for Crouse or Marner..... if we can trade down a spot or 2 and let someone else draft Hanifin and get back another asset while still drafting 1 of the 2 I mentioned then I'm all for it! Don't get me wrong if the Leafs were to draft Hanifin I'd be more then ok with it.. I just feel we need more forward prospects... but in reality... I think the biggest thing is to sit down and interview the players and get an idea of where their heads are at psychologically... maybe that's why Hanifin is ranked so high... great head on his shoulders combined with his overall game!! Makes for 1 hell of a pick!

- thehockeygod

I just can't agree with you less. Oh well. Enjoy the rest of the season.
sudburyboy
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Sudbury, ON
Joined: 08.01.2010

Feb 16 @ 6:26 PM ET
So that Florida "Rumour" includes Florida giving-up nothing to get Kessel. In other words, he ain't going to Florida.
- RogerRoeper


Exactly. ..I laughed when I read that. I'm not a Leafs fan by any stretch of the imagination, but even after an entire career of criticism and disrespect, on a poop team with no legit center man, the guy has been a constant goal scorer and he's one of the most explosive two-stride and gone players in the NHL....if Toronto wants to talk about Huberdeau or Gudbranson.....shut up and listen.
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 16 @ 6:27 PM ET
Not unless Nashville drops off in the standings
- Dozzer


I don't care personally! Just like the idea of more picks!

Maybe someone will trade us an early 2nd round pick so we basically have another first round pick to offset our basic 2nd round pick.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Feb 16 @ 6:27 PM ET
[quote=systemtool]

Well with franson on D there's a big possibility of them falling off
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Feb 16 @ 6:29 PM ET
I don't care personally! Just like the idea of more picks!

Maybe someone will trade us an early 2nd round pick so we basically have another first round pick to offset our basic 2nd round pick.

- Aaron_85


Agreed!!! Sell sell sell for prospects and picks!!

Take on expensive expiring contracts if need be (a la jokinen) to get the deals done
thehockeygod
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cloud 9, Halo County , ON
Joined: 05.28.2012

Feb 16 @ 6:31 PM ET
I'm just not sold on a guy like Crouse who can't keep up with kids half his size. The problem with drafting players based on their size is their main weapon is a known commodity. Sure he can forecheck like a demon when it's against teenagers, but what happens when he's lined up against NHL competition?

I'd much rather a player like Marner who's throwing up two points a game while having to contend with being a smaller frame, and will always be as such so he won't need to change his game or mind. Crouse will need to adjust, and it may expose weaknesses.

As for Hanifin. He may be an LD, but if he's the best player available you take him. I'd take Werenski over Crouse as well. Those two are having excellent rookie years in the NCAA, a league where rookies usually lack for ice time. If having Hanifin and Rielly is redundant a few years from now you can move one for a position of need.

The Leafs need to draft the best player left on the board according to their scouts regardless of position. They aren't strong enough to ignore any prospect in favour of another.

- BetterCallSaul



What you say makes a lot of sense but why trade away Hanifin to add something which you could have drafted for in the first place... unless of course your getting player + in return like a draft to trade kinda thing.

See I'd agree with best player available but at the end of the day the guy you think might be the best available at the time of your selection may turn into a bust.... I love Marner.. but I worry scouts may pass on him due to size. I hate that I like the small guys they usually have high end skill... just need to put on muscle so they don't get bounced around in the pros!!

Crouse is really good.. keep in mind he's only 17...... I know he's not a Centre which is much more important.. but if you look at a guy like Rick Nash he doesn't need a centre and his board play is outstanding... which is something the Leafs need badly
!!

sparky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada
Joined: 07.15.2006

Feb 16 @ 6:32 PM ET
Fair question... Ekblad is far and away better then Hanifin....

If you combined the 2 drafts I say

McDavid
Ekblad
Eichel

Rielly is a stud top pairing Dman..... I like Hanifin but we need more forward prospects particularly at the C position.... if we can't get 1 of McDavid, Eichel or Strome... my next pick would be for Crouse or Marner..... if we can trade down a spot or 2 and let someone else draft Hanifin and get back another asset while still drafting 1 of the 2 I mentioned then I'm all for it! Don't get me wrong if the Leafs were to draft Hanifin I'd be more then ok with it.. I just feel we need more forward prospects... but in reality... I think the biggest thing is to sit down and interview the players and get an idea of where their heads are at psychologically... maybe that's why Hanifin is ranked so high... great head on his shoulders combined with his overall game!! Makes for 1 hell of a pick!

- thehockeygod


Is Strome projected to be a sure #1 Center? Is he the center this team has needed for years lol.. PS- How does he compare to his brother, as good, better?
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Feb 16 @ 6:32 PM ET
Agreed!!! Sell sell sell for prospects and picks!!

Take on expensive expiring contracts if need be (a la jokinen) to get the deals done

- Dozzer


If they flip Jokinen I'd even retain half his salary since he's UFA end of season anyway. I bet you could get a 3rd out of him if you did that.

Late picks! I don't care. Just more picks.
thehockeygod
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Cloud 9, Halo County , ON
Joined: 05.28.2012

Feb 16 @ 6:34 PM ET
Can you say what league or team you scout for?
- sparky



I scout all players of all ages but mainly focus on 13 to 18 year olds.

I also scout a lot of NHL players.. but then again we all do that... lol!


Edit - I do my work in the GTA
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Feb 16 @ 6:35 PM ET
If they flip Jokinen I'd even retain half his salary since he's UFA end of season anyway. I bet you could get a 3rd out of him if you did that.

Late picks! I don't care. Just more picks.

- Aaron_85


Yup!! Dump some more big contracts to allow them to do those types of salary retention deals... End of season and clear slate.. Make it happen leafs
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