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Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 24 @ 11:30 AM ET
After just a hand full of games, how do you see the NED sizing up? There are in my opinion two "elite" goaltenders in the division, and two others who are bonafide NHL starters, who have yet to carry a NHL team through to the second round of the playoffs.

From my point of view, Boston, Buffalo and Ottawa should finish in the three top positions of the NED. I don't see Montreal making the playoffs, and the longer PK Subban is not in the line up, the lesser their chances of making the playoffs drop.

I originally thought toronto would be able to squeak into the playoffs, as I assumed they would make some kind of move to bring in a experienced starting goaltender.

If they can get enough out of their two young goaltenders, they should be able to get into the playoffs without Lupul, who seems to get Kessel going when they play together, but he now has to step up and show he's worth the big bucks he's earning and the the picks he was traded for.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 28 @ 9:34 AM ET
Today's (see date of post) current P% rankings of the North East Division.

The "true" standings of the teams (within the division)


BOSTON----(P%) .875 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 75.8%
MONTREAL -(P%) .750 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 78.2%
OTTAWA----(P%) .700 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 80.7%
BUFFALO----(P%) .400 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 36.8%
toronto-----(P%) .400 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 35.5%
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 28 @ 12:02 PM ET
Today's (see date of post) current P% rankings of the North East Division.

The "true" standings of the teams (within the division)


BOSTON----(P%) .875 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 75.8%
MONTREAL -(P%) .750 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 78.2%
OTTAWA----(P%) .700 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 80.7%
BUFFALO----(P%) .400 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 36.8%
TORONTO --(P%) .400 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 35.5%

- Doppleganger

so the Bruins and Habs both have better P% then the Sens yet stand a worse chance of making the playoffs?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 28 @ 1:15 PM ET
so the Bruins and Habs both have better P% then the Sens yet stand a worse chance of making the playoffs?
- Cape Breton Bruins


There are a few different stats they use on that site, depending on which graph you look at, and I believe one of them is how the teams remaining on their schedule have fared so far. The Habs may have a few points, but their collective schedule so far has been rather easy, and they have a higher % of games against better opponents remaining. Ottawa has played three teams that are pretty high in the standings. They've lost two, mind you, but it would still mean their remaining schedule is a little easier.

At this point, though, that is so completely meaningless it's ridiculous.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 28 @ 1:17 PM ET
so the Bruins and Habs both have better P% then the Sens yet stand a worse chance of making the playoffs?
- Cape Breton Bruins


Yes you're correct, the Briuns, then the Habs, then the Senators.

But according to this website, that most of us are familiar with http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html


The Senators, as of today, have a better chance of making the playoff than both the Habs and Bruins.


But as my good friend prock posted above, it's still way to early in the season to read too much into these numbers.

They will be come a better indicators of a teams playoff chances after about a third of the season.
Cape Breton Bruins
Boston Bruins
Location: long friend time friend, AB
Joined: 11.26.2008

Jan 28 @ 6:25 PM ET
There are a few different stats they use on that site, depending on which graph you look at, and I believe one of them is how the teams remaining on their schedule have fared so far. The Habs may have a few points, but their collective schedule so far has been rather easy, and they have a higher % of games against better opponents remaining. Ottawa has played three teams that are pretty high in the standings. They've lost two, mind you, but it would still mean their remaining schedule is a little easier.

At this point, though, that is so completely meaningless it's ridiculous.

- prock

I see.

Figured these teams, being in the same division would have extremely similar schedules.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 28 @ 6:39 PM ET
I see.

Figured these teams, being in the same division would have extremely similar schedules.

- Cape Breton Bruins



they do, short of, like I say, look at how easy the Habs schedule has been. It's only a difference of a game or two, but it's a couple of games they're more likely to win.

It'll change pretty quickly. It really is meaningless. After tomorrow, they could be the worst of the division.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 29 @ 8:11 AM ET
I see.

Figured these teams, being in the same division would have extremely similar schedules.

- Cape Breton Bruins



Guess not with a gimmicky 48 game shortened season. Some teams have a "better" schedule than others.

ClubSportsStats has been pretty accurate at predicting the playoff seeds for a few years now.

Last season around Christmas time they had calculated 15 out of the eventual 16 playoff seeds.

If there's a better formula for predicting the eventual playoff teams, I've yet to see it, and those who discount this website, have yet to show us a better site of system. They just can't wrap their heads around the system used. I find it accurate enough to be a useful, interesting tool, and have made a number of successful mid-season bets with fans of teams who think their team can climb past 5 or 6 teams and into a playoff spot.

I suggest you read this page
http://www.sportsclubstats.com/WhatIsThis.html
and make up your own mind rather than taking the word of those of us who have seen it do quite a good job over the years, or the detractors who dismiss it outright without explanation becasue it goes against what their "gut" tells them or whatever.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 29 @ 9:35 AM ET
Today's (see date of post) current P% rankings of the North East Division.

The "true" standings of the teams (within the division)


BOSTON----(P%) .900 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 83.7 %
MONTREAL -(P%) .750 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 78.4 %
OTTAWA----(P%) .700 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 80.8 %
BUFFALO----(P%) .400 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 36.8 %
toronto-----(P%) .400 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 35.8 %
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 30 @ 9:28 AM ET
Today's (see date of post) current P% rankings of the North East Division.

The "true" standings of the teams (within the NE division)


BOSTON----(P%) .917 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 86.9 %
MONTREAL -(P%) .800 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 83.3 %
OTTAWA----(P%) .750 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 85.2 %
toronto-----(P%) .500 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 44.7 %
BUFFALO----(P%) .417- ( Chance will make playoffs ) 31.9 %


Does not seem like Ryan Miller is in Mid season form yet, his save percentage is better than last season, so don't know why the Sabres have slipped to the bottom of the division.
DrDoom
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Saint Colomban (Take the road , QC
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jan 30 @ 12:16 PM ET
Today's (see date of post) current P% rankings of the North East Division.

The "true" standings of the teams (within the NE division)


BOSTON----(P%) .917 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 86.9 %
MONTREAL -(P%) .800 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 83.3 %
OTTAWA----(P%) .750 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 85.2 %
TORONTO --(P%) .500 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 44.7 %
BUFFALO----(P%) .417- ( Chance will make playoffs ) 31.9 %


Does not seem like Ryan Miller is in Mid season form yet, his save percentage is better than last season, so don't know why the Sabres have slipped to the bottom of the division.

- Doppleganger


Your "numbers" are gonna go down when the Habs kick yur little butt tonight!!
Loll
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 30 @ 3:09 PM ET
Your "numbers" are gonna go down when the Habs kick yur little butt tonight!!
Loll

- DrDoom


As bad as Montreal was last year, I'm pretty sure they won the season series vs Ottawa. A LOT of Hab fans invade SBP so it's almost a home game for them.
DrDoom
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Saint Colomban (Take the road , QC
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jan 30 @ 3:35 PM ET
As bad as Montreal was last year, I'm pretty sure they won the season series vs Ottawa. A LOT of Hab fans invade SBP so it's almost a home game for them.
- Doppleganger


I'm not sure... I think the Sens "man-handled" us pretty bad last year...
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 31 @ 9:03 AM ET
I'm not sure... I think the Sens "man-handled" us pretty bad last year...

- DrDoom



Round one goes to the Sens this year.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 31 @ 12:08 PM ET
Today's (see date of post) current P% rankings of the North East Division.

The "true" standings of the teams (within the NE division)


BOSTON----(P%) .917 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 87.1 %
OTTAWA----(P%) .786 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 92.0 %
MONTREAL -(P%) .667 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 70.3 %
toronto-----(P%) .500 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 45.5 %
BUFFALO----(P%) .417- ( Chance will make playoffs ) 32.5 %


With Spezza basically gone for the season, Ottawa will be in tough to maintain their current P% pace. Doubt there is a trade in the works, and believe they will go with who they have in the organization. However if things start to slip away, Ben Bishop (plus) being traded for a serviceable center might be an option.
DrDoom
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Saint Colomban (Take the road , QC
Joined: 09.16.2005

Jan 31 @ 12:28 PM ET
Round one goes to the Sens this year.
- Doppleganger


Talk about a whoopa$$...
CUP2015
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa
Joined: 01.31.2013

Jan 31 @ 4:30 PM ET
Loosing Spez is a nightmare today and a gold rush tomorrow....
Listening to Jason York talk on the team 1200 today about how he got his start due to injury in the shorten season of 94' brings about the situation Binghamton centers face today as Ottawa prospects. B.M. Stated he would look to Stone or Hoffman, however they are both injured, hello De Costa!!!!!!!! Highly skilled, too small, great chance for the boy from France to make some noise, this could be his one chance to make a splash, get dealt and have a future in the NHL.
All that being said, this is year two of a total re-build, yes Toronto, it can take more than one year ( Kessel trade, ugh ) Sorry, will always take a shot at old bluie until they understand that when you are in prospect hell, you need to take time to build, don't get me wrong, the playoffs are much better with T.O. and The habs on board. Even if they kicked our butts four straight years, they need to show up for Ottawa to extract revenge.
Back to Sens, let's say K.T. plays between Alfie and Milo, Decosta slides in with Silverberg and Zbad, neiler, Zack and The machine from newfie line up as number three and we see Condra, J.O.B and the dog on the fourth.
If you’re not a Sens fanatic it doesn't look like much, but from this end there is a lot of speed, size and skill will Spez waiting to return. This is enough to handle any team in the east on a night to night thanks to The stash behind the bench and the man behind the mask. Keep your heads up sens fans, future is bright and there is still noise to be made from this group this year.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Feb 1 @ 12:14 PM ET
Loosing Spez is a nightmare today and a gold rush tomorrow....
Listening to Jason York talk on the team 1200 today about how he got his start due to injury in the shorten season of 94' brings about the situation Binghamton centers face today as Ottawa prospects. B.M. Stated he would look to Stone or Hoffman, however they are both injured, hello De Costa!!!!!!!! Highly skilled, too small, great chance for the boy from France to make some noise, this could be his one chance to make a splash, get dealt and have a future in the NHL.
All that being said, this is year two of a total re-build, yes Toronto, it can take more than one year ( Kessel trade, ugh ) Sorry, will always take a shot at old bluie until they understand that when you are in prospect hell, you need to take time to build, don't get me wrong, the playoffs are much better with T.O. and The habs on board. Even if they kicked our butts four straight years, they need to show up for Ottawa to extract revenge.
Back to Sens, let's say K.T. plays between Alfie and Milo, Decosta slides in with Silverberg and Zbad, neiler, Zack and The machine from newfie line up as number three and we see Condra, J.O.B and the dog on the fourth.
If you’re not a Sens fanatic it doesn't look like much, but from this end there is a lot of speed, size and skill will Spez waiting to return. This is enough to handle any team in the east on a night to night thanks to The stash behind the bench and the man behind the mask. Keep your heads up sens fans, future is bright and there is still noise to be made from this group this year.

- CUP2015



To be fair, leafs management has brought in some goo prospects through trades. Good enough to advance to last years AHL finals.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Feb 2 @ 1:49 PM ET
Today's (see date of post) current P% rankings of the North East Division.

The "true" standings of the teams (within the NE division)


BOSTON----(P%) .786 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 75.3 %
OTTAWA----(P%) .688 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 90.1 %
MONTREAL -(P%) .667 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 71.8 %
toronto-----(P%) .571 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 54.7 %
BUFFALO----(P%) .500- ( Chance will make playoffs ) 49.8 %


Everyone except Ottawa plays today, so each team in the division has a chance at gaining some ground on Ottawa's playoff chances, as they all have games in hand on the Senators.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Feb 4 @ 12:22 PM ET
The "true" standings of the teams (within the NE division) Today, at this time.


BOSTON----(P%) .813 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 83.5 %
MONTREAL -(P%) .750 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 89.8 %
OTTAWA----(P%) .611 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 87.2 %
toronto-----(P%) .500 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 43.5 %
BUFFALO----(P%) .389- ( Chance will make playoffs ) 20.5 %

Montreal had a great weekend.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Feb 10 @ 11:28 AM ET
The "true" standings of the teams (within the NE division) Today, at this time.


BOSTON----(P%) .833 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 89.6 %
MONTREAL -(P%) .591 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 62.4 %
OTTAWA----(P%) .583 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 80.1 %
toronto-----(P%) .583 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 67.9 %
BUFFALO----(P%) .458 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 23.8 %

toronto's playoffs odds have really shot up over the past week, while Ottawa and Montreal's are floundering a bit.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Feb 13 @ 9:48 AM ET
The "true" standings of the teams (within the NE division) Today, at this time.


BOSTON----(P%) .818 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 93.0 %
MONTREAL -(P%) .625 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 66.7 %
OTTAWA----(P%) .615 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 85.8 %
toronto-----(P%) .615 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 77.1 %
BUFFALO----(P%) .393 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 7.8 %


Buffalo sinking fast.
sens rock
Joined: 09.30.2007

Feb 14 @ 12:19 AM ET
The "true" standings of the teams (within the NE division) Today, at this time.


BOSTON----(P%) .818 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 93.0 %
MONTREAL -(P%) .625 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 66.7 %
OTTAWA----(P%) .615 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 85.8 %
TORONTO --(P%) .615 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 77.1 %
BUFFALO----(P%) .393 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 7.8 %


Buffalo sinking fast.

- Doppleganger


ottawa to follow suit.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Feb 14 @ 8:47 AM ET
ottawa to follow suit.
- sens rock


First Cowan, then Speeza, and now Karlsson. Injuries are part of the business of the NHL, so no use whining or feeling sorry for themselves.

The Senators are in year two of their re-build and these injuries will give some of the younger players more playing time in situations they may not have been ready to take on full time, but have to play through, and use this situation as a learning experience.

If the coaching staff keeps the team focused on the big picture, they may still qualify for the playoffs, but it may need some changes to their current system with this many key players out for the season.

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Looks like there could be a lot of "call ups" from Binghamton in the Senators lineup Saturday night vs the leafs, maybe as many as 9 (who started the season in the AHL) so it looks like it should be a cake walk for the leafs

Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Feb 17 @ 9:12 AM ET
The "true" standings of the teams (within the NE division) Today, at this time.


BOSTON----(P%) .750 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 88.3 %
MONTREAL -(P%) .679 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 83.6 %
toronto-----(P%) .600 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 79.6 %
OTTAWA----(P%) .533 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 63.9 %
BUFFALO----(P%) .433 - ( Chance will make playoffs ) 12.8 %


Ottawa sinking fast.
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