Wasn't he the 25th overall pick the 'Hawks got a couple summers ago for Troy Brouwer?
- blackhawk24

Correct.

Hey, don't forget Ogie's favorite throw in Lalonde!
- EKolb13

I thought it was just assumed that Lalonde would be part of every proposal so I didn't mention him specifically!

Serious inquiry, what are the mechanics of a buyout? Specifically, if a guy is bought out, does he become a free agent. And if he is resigned, what becomes the status of the buyout?
- TrueGrit

I think that is the same...

He would become a free agent but can't resign with his original club.

Also he still gets paid per his buyout amount.

wiz -

2009-10: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2010-11: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2011-12: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2012-13: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2013-14: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2014-15: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2015-16: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2016-17: $4,000,000 » $5,275,000
2017-18: $1,000,000 » $5,275,000
2018-19: $1,000,000 » $5,275,000
2019-20: $1,000,000 » $5,275,000
2020-21: $1,000,000 » $5,275,000



Scenario 2: Let's say the Hawks trade Hossa to Philly after the 2013-14 season and he plays 2 more seasons in philly before retiring after the 2015-16 season. The Hawks would still be on the hook for their $13.125 in cap savings and the flyers for $5.35 million (2.675 each for 2 seasons he played there). Both teams would take those cap savings and divide by the # of years he did not fulfill of the contract (which would be 5). So the Hawks would have a 5 season AAV penalty of $2.625 AND the Flyers would have a 5 season $1.07 AAV penalty ($5.35 / remaining 5 seasons)

Its a penalty only if he does not finish out his contract... ie retires. Thats my understanding.
- moylander

and so if a team (like the hawks takes a big salary on, and they get a smaller cap AAV penalty If he stays less years.

IF they had extended the two buyout contracts past the next two seasons, it really would be profitable to take good players with fat contracts on short term.

Moylander...thank you, thank you, thank you!

Perhaps Leddy is the Dman who lost his seat in the game of musical chairs and is headed elsewhere?
- Beaver-Warrior

No way does a kid that young with that much untapped talent go before a journeyman and an old man.
- blackhawk24

I don't know. His contract also has to renewed and he hold strong value because of his skating ability and still untapped up-ice game.

I am not saying he is on the market, but just saying there are teams that would be calling who are not calling on any of the other of the bottom five...

Funny!
Hope you are right, cannot imagine being tortured with ol' Clown Shoes -- heck, he was awful before his brain was scrambled, can only imagine what he'll look like now. With no one to mentor Leddy at either level, he's best off competing in the NHL, at least there he'll have the opportunity to play alongside and against competition that should make him better. He won't get any better in the A.

Tell me, though, why Dylan Olsen is listed on the Blackhawks depth roster though. That is a real puzzler, especially in light of what everyone has seen from him at the NHL level and now at the AHL level (not impressive at all). ????
- savvyone-1

Maybe Olsen found the three steps he was missing so he can play in the NHL

I don't see Saad or especially Beach as centers in the NHL. Saad has some pretty decent hockey sense but I have no idea how he'd be on draws or as a playmaker of any competency.
- John Jaeckel

I said dream scenario - (as in your dreams, bucko....)
i don't think any will see a game at centre ice in the NHL...

i inititially would agree, but their D needs help, and timmonen is getting up there in age
- FourFeathers773

They wouldn't trade couts for Shea Weber.... Doubt they will for leddy.

They wouldn't trade couts for Shea Weber.... Doubt they will for leddy.
- moylander

well we sure as shxt arent taking Briere off your hands!

I don't think Leddy goes anywhere (as far as trades go), however I think sometime in the next few days when trades are allowed to happen we will see a Niklas Hjalmarsson trade go down.

Hey, don't forget Ogie's favorite throw in Lalonde!
- EKolb13

I think that is the same...

He would become a free agent but can't resign with his original club.

Also he still gets paid per his buyout amount.
- Al

What was the circumstances when Daniel Alfredsson was bought out and resigned by Ottawa?

Which leads to your point about Danault's readiness. I have watched a lot of Victoriaville games this year. For sure, Spott said to him at the WJCs: you are our shut-down guy, defense first. But I have seen him play enough (albeit against juniors) to say he has some offensive upside, especially as a distributor and a guy who will dig pucks out of the corners. This, as I understand it, was Chris Block's take on Danault in a late stint at Rockford last year

My concern about Danault right now would be his size (although he appears to be a legit 185-190 right now) and adjustment to the speed of the NHL game. That said, he plays at a very high tempo in the juniors. But from the stnadpoint of heart, speed, competitiveness and offensive instincts, I think he could play and contribute in the NHL, possibly as a center, this year.
- John Jaeckel

Danault at Victorialle was the leader, on and off the ice.
Easy to see why, because whenver I have viewed him even in his draft year, he simple plays the hardest.
Fearlessly makes the biggest hits, will carry the offense, relentless attack and after losing the puck pursue getting it back.
Smartest player, coolest head, and highest compete level.

The is plenty to like long term and there is plenty of upside with guys like this that they DO eventually become scorers, because they are in the right place.

I just don't want him rushed and under pressure until the body and hands are really ready for that jump.
It is clear the scouting staff saw many intangibles that lead to them choosing him in the first round, and if they didn't think he had significant upside in all phases of his game, they wouldn't have selected him.

Here's the press release on Danault's trade to Moncton:Victoriaville Tigres all-star forward Phillip Danault was traded to the Moncton Wildcats for Gabriel Gagné, first round selections in 2014 and 2015, a second round pick in 2015 as well as a first round selection in the 2014 European Draft. Danault played three seasons with the Tigres. He scored 55 goals and added 127 assists in 155 games for a total of 182 points.

Moncton paid steep.
The clearly want to overtake Halifax in the Maritime division.
Moreover who better than Danault to match up against Drouin and McKinnon.

The more I see Drouin the more I think he is the real deal. I thought he was good, but a receipient of playing wih MacKinnon.
It is clear to me now that he is more than a pair of tree trunk leg pistons-his smarts and hockey IQ is beyond MacKinnons.

(yup I said it)

McKinnon may not be smarty enough to have an NHL career as atop line centre. He may end up a scoring wing. And if that IS the case I 'll take Drouin over him as a wing.

I may move Drouin up slot #2

Anyway back on track: Danault cost Moncton, and there is reason to avlue him highly...so you think they got some reassurance he was staying in the QMJHL?

Danault at Victorialle was the leader, on and off the ice.
Easy to see why, because whenver I have viewed him even in his draft year, he simple plays the hardest.
Fearlessly makes the biggest hits, will carry the offense, relentless attack and after losing the puck pursue getting it back.
Smartest player, coolest head, and highest compete level.

The is plenty to like long term and there is plenty of upside with guys like this that they DO eventually become scorers, because they are in the right place.

I just don't want him rushed and under pressure until the body and hands are really ready for that jump.
It is clear the scouting staff saw many intangibles that lead to them choosing him in the first round, and if they didn't think he had significant upside in all phases of his game, they wouldn't have selected him.

Here's the press release on Danault's trade to Moncton:Victoriaville Tigres all-star forward Phillip Danault was traded to the Moncton Wildcats for Gabriel Gagné, first round selections in 2014 and 2015, a second round pick in 2015 as well as a first round selection in the 2014 European Draft. Danault played three seasons with the Tigres. He scored 55 goals and added 127 assists in 155 games for a total of 182 points.

Moncton paid steep.
The clearly want to overtake Halifax in the Maritime division.
Moreover who better than Danault to match up against Drouin and McKinnon.

The more I see Drouin the more I think he is the real deal. I thought he was good, but a receipient of playing wih MacKinnon.
It is clear to me now that he is more than a pair of tree trunk leg pistons-his smarts and hockey IQ is beyond MacKinnons.

(yup I said it)

McKinnon may not be smarty enough to have an NHL career as atop line centre. He may end up a scoring wing. And if that IS the case I 'll take Drouin over him as a wing.

I may move Drouin up slot #2

Anyway back on track: Danault cost Moncton, and there is reason to avlue him highly...so you think they got some reassurance he was staying in the QMJHL ?
- wiz1901

Maybe. Danault doesn't have to be in training camp in order to eventually play with the Hawks this year though.

I will say this, Jaskin is a sniper par excellence. He and Danault will light it up.

wiz -

I'm just as confused but this is how I read it.

2009-10: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2010-11: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2011-12: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2012-13: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2013-14: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2014-15: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2015-16: $7,900,000 » $5,275,000
2016-17: $4,000,000 » $5,275,000
2017-18: $1,000,000 » $5,275,000
2018-19: $1,000,000 » $5,275,000
2019-20: $1,000,000 » $5,275,000
2020-21: $1,000,000 » $5,275,000

Let's say he played for the hawks and then retired a hawk after the 2013-14 season (as bolded). The 'cap savings' while he played for the hawks would be $7.9-$5.275 = $2.675 * 5 seasons = $13.125 in total. They would then take that figure and divide by the remaining 7 seasons on the contract. So that would be a $1.875 AAV cap penalty each year from 2014-15 thru 2020-21 ($13.125 divided by 7).

Scenario 2: Let's say the Hawks trade Hossa to Philly after the 2013-14 season and he plays 2 more seasons in philly before retiring after the 2015-16 season. The Hawks would still be on the hook for their $13.125 in cap savings and the flyers for $5.35 million (2.675 each for 2 seasons he played there). Both teams would take those cap savings and divide by the # of years he did not fulfill of the contract (which would be 5). So the Hawks would have a 5 season AAV penalty of $2.625 AND the Flyers would have a 5 season $1.07 AAV penalty ($5.35 / remaining 5 seasons)

Its a penalty only if he does not finish out his contract... ie retires. Thats my understanding.
- moylander

Not sure why, if you were to trade him, the whole contract wouldn't go along with him, INCLUDING the AAV penalty.

However, isn't there also something in the new CBA about trading on a portion of a contract? Seems to mean that if you have a guy with one year / $5MM left, you could trade him and 50% of his contract - you would pay (and get a cap hit of) $2.5MM, and the new team would also pay (and get a cap hit of) $2.5MM.

I think.

How does that enter into the Hossa situation?

Does anyone in the NHL or NHLPA know either?

I don't think Leddy goes anywhere (as far as trades go), however I think sometime in the next few days when trades are allowed to happen we will see a Niklas Hjalmarsson trade go down.
- dan9189

You might well be right. But we have to always remember this about trades: it takes two to tango. Meaning. What other teams offer for Hjalmarsson on the one hand, or Leddy on the other could have some bearing on who gets dealt by the Hawks. Because it is quite possible the returns are not equal.

JUST a minute ago heard there's lots of discussion going on (involving the Hawks—teams calling). I should have more tomorrow or the day after.

Trigger could get pulled on something very soon after the CBA deal is ratified.

Heard about one specific player who might be offered to the Hawks, interesting, but no sense if the hawks are interested. Should know more tomorrow and will not say anything til I know more.
- John Jaeckel

Thanks JJ. I'm sure a lot of teams calling about Leddy and Hammer since the Hawks are stocked with 9 NHL ready D (8 if Olsen stays in Rockford). Hoping an upgrade in net or #2 center. Keep us posted please!

Maybe. Danault doesn't have to be in training camp in order to eventually play with the Hawks this year though.

I will say this, Jaskin is a sniper par excellence. He and Danault will light it up.
- John Jaeckel

yeah, when I read your original article, I did read it that way too...eg., you might mean that by playoffs a kids steps in, gets a chance and takes hold of it.
a lot to ask, a lot to hope for, but i like your thinking...that an unknown variable might just made us a better playoff team.

Goalie

But let me also say, this is in the context of an offer that might be made to the
Hawks . . . or might not.
- John Jaeckel

Yeah, the Hawks don't need to aid in tallon's fulfillment plan of Luongo deathbed wish...

Jose Theodore
Scott Clemmensen

can stay where they are....

Thanks JJ. I'm sure a lot of teams calling about Leddy and Hammer since the Hawks are stocked with 9 NHL ready D (8 if Olsen stays in Rockford). Hoping an upgrade in net or #2 center. Keep us posted please!
- ikeane

I doubt Stan trades Leddy, but I have no objection if he does. At this point Leddy won't make or break the team and if he can help fill a void at centre then why not. I think our lack of depth at centre (or goalie for that matter) is worse than our lack of quality on defense. Keith and Oduya are good puck moving defensemen with Seabrook, Hammer and Roszival better defensively.

I doubt Stan trades Leddy, but I have no objection if he does. At this point Leddy won't make or break the team and if he can help fill a void at centre then why not. I think our lack of depth at centre (or goalie for that matter) is worse than our lack of quality on defense. Keith and Oduya are good puck moving defensemen with Seabrook, Hammer and Roszival better defensively.
- DarthKane

Would love to see something with the Jets, perhaps swapping Kanes and Leddy for Burmistrov as the key deal pieces. I know that was a pre-lockout rumor I read and it was discussed in length here. Just a thought

Would love to see something with the Jets, perhaps swapping Kanes and Leddy for Burmistrov as the key deal pieces. I know that was a pre-lockout rumor I read and it was discussed in length here. Just a thought
- ikeane

Kane for Kane was always an intriguing idea, but I think I'd keep our Kane now (but either way my name on this board is good). I may be a sucker for punishment, bit I think P Kane is going to break out soon and be the player we want him to be.

The one player I'd like from Winnipeg is Slater, he'd be an excellent fit for our bottom 6.

I doubt Stan trades Leddy, but I have no objection if he does. At this point Leddy won't make or break the team and if he can help fill a void at centre then why not. I think our lack of depth at centre (or goalie for that matter) is worse than our lack of quality on defense. Keith and Oduya are good puck moving defensemen with Seabrook, Hammer and Roszival better defensively.
- DarthKane

Bang on

I'd rather have Hammers +9 then Leddys -12

Kane for Kane was always an intriguing idea, but I think I'd keep our Kane now (but either way my name on this board is good). I may be a sucker for punishment, bit I think P Kane is going to break out soon and be the player we want him to be.

The one player I'd like from Winnipeg is Slater, he'd be an excellent fit for our bottom 6.
- DarthKane

I feel like this happened to a certain extent last year with improved two way play and work on the ice. I also think the wrist injury in the pre-season screwed up his release and caused problems with his accuracy shooting on goal.

I feel like this happened to a certain extent last year with improved two way play and work on the ice. I also think the wrist injury in the pre-season screwed up his release and caused problems with his accuracy shooting on goal.
- fattybeef

My belief is Kane plays better with a road-grader on the LW: look no further than Brouwer and Byfuglien. Lacking that, his production seems to suffer.