If we do trade Jake and others to Nashville could Homer put an OS on him then????
- BaldRich

No. The Flyers would not have the required draft choices to offer sheet Voracek.

I thought Homer's job is to put the best team he can on the ice ...The OS if declined will help us for sure ,so why would we then help another Franchise get better by sending them players on our roster? Maybe I dont understand this giving players to help Nashville...
- BaldRich

They'd be trading players to Nashville to guarantee that the Predators do not match the offer sheet.

If the Flyers do get Weber, and then the new cba has the 5 year max rule for contracts, couldn't that jeopardize the Flyers from retaining their big RFA's in '13? Wouldn't it be real easy for teams to offer a 5 year-40 million offer for Giroux which would be an 8mill cap hit? Then there's Schenn and Cout's to also worry about.
- cheesemix

i doubt the Flyers even wait until Giroux is RFA eligible before signing him to an extension. Giroux will have contract in hand before any team can submit an offer sheet. A lesson Nashville should have learned.

here you go i found this for you:

August 13, 1997: The Avalanche and Denver Nuggets announce that they will build a new arena downtown that will create revenue and hopefully let the Avs keep Sakic.
- Philly1980

Ok thanks.

I thought Homer's job is to put the best team he can on the ice ...The OS if declined will help us for sure ,so why would we then help another Franchise get better by sending them players on our roster? Maybe I dont understand this giving players to help Nashville...
- BaldRich

Assurance that we get him, and for the overall health of the League. Crushing Nashville does no good and our only priority is to get Weber. Also, some cap flexibilty would be nice.

I've noticed if you make sense around here you're often ignored.
- twotoekenn

A habs fan who claims to be a multiple six figure accountant, says that there is no problem in nashville restructuring their current financials. I would agree with him if:

1. It was possible to restructure millions of dollars in debt in 5 business days.
2. If the entity was not subsidized by tax payer money to cover losses ( i think 13 mill in the last two years). Not many companies are open to the idea of incurring long term debt at that point.
3. 122 million in 6 years is a lot of cash for a small market team to dish out.
4. They pay him 26 mill next year no matter what happens (Loss of season, injury, sits out)
5. Are Nashville's owners open to the idea of giving Wilson more control....If they do ,do they loose subsidizing by the local government?
6. While some may think that players are assets, to others they see them as cost. Is weber going to generate in excess of 100 million dollars in a small market such as nashville? Probably not.
7.They have 12 ufa/rfa to deal with next season.
8. With wilson having larger control, what is the assurance that he keeps the team in nashville? I get the feeling that wilson is slowly buying nashville to move them out.. Are the other owners open to that idea?

A lot of things to hash out in 1 week.

The question of the day should be:

Is Weber capable of producing 110 million dollars in nashvilles economy over the next four years?

I know that Briere has a no movement clause and probably would not waive it to go to Nashville, but that would certainly help Nashville get closer to the cap floor. That one is for all the Briere Bandwagon fans!

I thought Homer's job is to put the best team he can on the ice ...The OS if declined will help us for sure ,so why would we then help another Franchise get better by sending them players on our roster? Maybe I dont understand this giving players to help Nashville...
- BaldRich

As Bill said in his blog. Holmgren's intent is to trade for Weber. Not to ruin the Nashville franchise. Consideration has to be given that the better a team like Nashville does, the better it is for everyone. Including the Flyers. Amd most certainly for the fans.

There is no way I include Mez or Coburn in a "Gratton-Trade" scenario. The whole idea with bringing in Weber and L. Schenn is to build a Top 6 that no one else in the NHL can compete with. Getting rid of Mez or Coburn would significantly hamper that. Also, remember that Timonen is a UFA after this season and there is no guarantee he returns which makes holding onto Mez and Coburn a priority. As much as I would hate to lose Voracek you have to give up something of significance to get a guy like Weber so assuming he is part of the deal I would give the Preds both Gus and MAB and be done with it. If Nash balks at that then maybe you call their bluff and hope for they don't match. It is such a long contract that I worry about five or six years from now if they still have not won a Cup (which is a pretty good bet the way things seem to work out for this franchise) then you are still stuck with that contract for a long time. Looking at it that way, it's really not the end of the world if they match.

Versteeg's staying with all the gorgeous snatch in FLA. 4 year deal reach, per Florida's team twitter feed.

They'd be trading players to Nashville to guarantee that the Predators do not match the offer sheet.
- Jsaquella

So the trade would take place before the deadline then ? I thought happened after Nashville made the OS decision ...... Thanks

There is no way I include Mez or Coburn in a "Gratton-Trade" scenario. The whole idea with bringing in Weber and L. Schenn is to build a Top 6 that no one else in the NHL can compete with. Getting rid of Mez or Coburn would significantly hamper that. Also, remember that Timonen is a UFA after this season and there is no guarantee he returns which makes holding onto Mez and Coburn a priority. As much as I would hate to lose Voracek you have to give up something of significance to get a guy like Weber so assuming he is part of the deal I would give the Preds both Gus and MAB and be done with it. If Nash balks at that then maybe you call their bluff and hope for they don't match. It is such a long contract that I worry about five or six years from now if they still have not won a Cup (which is a pretty good bet the way things seem to work out for this franchise) then you are still stuck with that contract for a long time. Looking at it that way, it's really not the end of the world if they match.
- C-Vac

Timonen is likely to retire next summer. And Weber more than replaces what Coburn and Meszaos bring to the table. There's no way in Hell that Meszaros or Coburn should be a trade killer for Shea Weber....and I really like both Coburn and Meszaros.

There is no way I include Mez or Coburn in a "Gratton-Trade" scenario. The whole idea with bringing in Weber and L. Schenn is to build a Top 6 that no one else in the NHL can compete with. Getting rid of Mez or Coburn would significantly hamper that. Also, remember that Timonen is a UFA after this season and there is no guarantee he returns which makes holding onto Mez and Coburn a priority. As much as I would hate to lose Voracek you have to give up something of significance to get a guy like Weber so assuming he is part of the deal I would give the Preds both Gus and MAB and be done with it. If Nash balks at that then maybe you call their bluff and hope for they don't match. It is such a long contract that I worry about five or six years from now if they still have not won a Cup (which is a pretty good bet the way things seem to work out for this franchise) then you are still stuck with that contract for a long time. Looking at it that way, it's really not the end of the world if they match.
- C-Vac

The Flyers will have 6.3M to play with if they lose Timonen after this Season.

Yes, the conditions of the Offer Sheet are binding on Poile if he matches. An Offer Sheer is not a SPC. It is an offer to enter into an SPC with the conditions of the Offer Sheet. Movement clauses are not contained in an Offer Sheet. That will come when they put the SPC together. And Weber will most certainly get movmement clauses.
- MJL

I believe you are in error. The CBA defines an offer sheet in the context of a contract. You cannot recontract a contract. The agent suggested an appendix might be added to the agreement to deal with a NMC. When I heard that, I chuckled and thought gotcha. He has since disappeared and has not said a word. I am sure Holmgren never offered a NMC, his legal people would have had a heart attack, I believe it will not be spoken about by anybody over the next few days.

You cannot have a side deal to an offer sheet. It would be a clear violation of the CBA.

Think about this: is the difference in potential between Jake and Meszy to the Schenn's so great that we would walk away from Weber?

Let's not forget about our Ashbee award winner in 2011.
- LordStanley88

Any takers to weigh in on this?

I think it's good food for thought.

To Nash: Couturier, Meszaros, 1st

To Philly: Not matching the OS, 3 1sts


Am I crazy to think this is reasonable for a franchise D-man signed to a relatively friendly cap hit in his prime years? And you get to obviously keep Voracek this way.

I'm just trying to be somewhat realistic. I don't think Voracek and Meszaros get it done, and I'm not so sure stepping up the offer isn't worth what's coming back.

So the trade would take place before the deadline then ? I thought happened after Nashville made the OS decision ...... Thanks
- BaldRich

What would happen is, the Flyers and Preds make an agreement that the Preds will not match the offer sheet, and as soon as the draft pick become Predators' property, they Flyers would agree to trade the players to Nashville to recoup the picks that went to Nashville as Weber compensation.

In the paper, it would be two transactions:

Nashville declines to match Philly's offer sheet.

Philly trades players x.y and z to Nashville for 2 1st round draft picks.

Timonen is likely to retire next summer. And Weber more than replaces what Coburn and Meszaos bring to the table. There's no way in Hell that Meszaros or Coburn should be a trade killer for Shea Weber....and I really like both Coburn and Meszaros.
- Jsaquella

Agree 100%.

To Nash: Couturier, Meszaros, 1st

To Philly: Not matching the OS, 3 1sts


Am I crazy to think this is reasonable for a franchise D-man signed to a relatively friendly cap hit in his prime years? And you get to obviously keep Voracek this way.

I'm just trying to be somewhat realistic. I don't think Voracek and Meszaros get it done, and I'm not so sure stepping up the offer isn't worth what's coming back.
- eayost

I agree with Bill. If Nashville gets Couturier, the get nothing else. No Meszaros, and the Flyers get all the picks back.

Very well said, Bill. I completely agree.

Can't believe that Bowmeeister was a contingency plan for Philly a week ago and now we're speculating that the Flyers may land Weber and JBow is the contingency for Nashville.... amazing.

To Nash: Couturier, Meszaros, 1st

To Philly: Not matching the OS, 3 1sts


Am I crazy to think this is reasonable for a franchise D-man signed to a relatively friendly cap hit in his prime years? And you get to obviously keep Voracek this way.

I'm just trying to be somewhat realistic. I don't think Voracek and Meszaros get it done, and I'm not so sure stepping up the offer isn't worth what's coming back.
- eayost

Not crazy at all but I'd rather give up Schenn than Couturier.

Timonen is likely to retire next summer. And Weber more than replaces what Coburn and Meszaos bring to the table. There's no way in Hell that Meszaros or Coburn should be a trade killer for Shea Weber....and I really like both Coburn and Meszaros.
- Jsaquella

I think people forget that Dmen like Weber (even a step down) are at an absolute premium in the NHL. At his age, with what he brings to the table.. the worst case scenario to me is that we don't get him. If he ends up here, it makes the FLyers a legitimate contender IMO. Even if we have to plug some holes after a trade.

I said this when the offer first came down, and I still agree with Bill here. Need to give Nashville a reason other then financial to not match. Like Bill said, Voracek and Meszaros will be a part of the deal. Then let Nashville negotiate with what else they want... As long as it isn't Schenn, Schenn, or Couturier they are welcome to add the extra piece. I would be willing to send one of Read, Simmonds, Bourdon,Gus, or MAB to add to the above deal. And I would also be willing to let them keep 2 firsts depending on the guys they select... If its Read or Simmonds, Flyers get 3 picks back. If its Bourdon, Gus, or MAB Nashville gets the 2013 pick and 2015 pick. It's a lot to give, but your getting Weber and the cap space to sign Doan. It's a no brainer in my book.

Any takers to weigh in on this?

I think it's good food for thought.
- LordStanley88

I feel that the Schenn brothers have more potential than Jake and Mesz. It would be a higher price to pay, IMO

To Nash: Couturier, Meszaros, 1st

To Philly: Not matching the OS, 3 1sts


Am I crazy to think this is reasonable for a franchise D-man signed to a relatively friendly cap hit in his prime years? And you get to obviously keep Voracek this way.

I'm just trying to be somewhat realistic. I don't think Voracek and Meszaros get it done, and I'm not so sure stepping up the offer isn't worth what's coming back.
- eayost

Your closer to the outcome than most on this thread.