Offer sheets don't, but they can be added into the final contract. In fact Weber's agent said that he and the Flyers have discussed a "no trade" clause that would be in the finalized deal.
- Jsaquella

If Poile matches it is not binding on him. In fact, my guess is that alone might constitute a violation of the CBA and abrogate the Flyer offer sheet. I notice the agent has not given any interviews since suggesting there might be a side agreement on the NMC.

There's another wrinkle to the nash situation no one has brought up, a few years ago when they were sold it was a BIG deal that the majority of owners were local. If this wilson were to take a large share of the team to bail them out, would city/state allow since they've been tossing 6-7 mil at them every year?

All the guys on here that hated the Richards and Carter deals when they were announced last year are going to hate what Holmgren gives up to finally get Weber. But, like last year, you will come around to understand that a bold move like this requires an enormously courageous finish.

The green light strategy has taken the money part of the deal off the table. Nashville owns his rights for 14 years based on the terms negotiated by the Flyers. Ownership has decided they will pay. The only thing that matters is what would you be prepared to give to get Weber?
- spatso

The so called green light strategy has absolutely not taken the money part of the deal off the table. The future financial issues are very much still there for Nashville. If they weren't, they match the deal and tell the Flyers thanks for getting him signed for us.

Look, if Schenn were to become a deal breaker, I'd do it.

However, I think it goes without saying that you do everything in your power to try and hold onto him.

Remember that Weber is the prize here!
- LordStanley88

I think Homer's doing that. Ask yourself this though.. Say Homer stands fast on most offers and Thursday morning, here we are with no Weber.. Would you not be disappointed? I def would. As long as it's not a drastic overpayment, I am ok with it.

Also, did anyone else read where Bill Daly apparently said that he thought a deal could be worked out for Weber when asked about the situation? I have to find the link, and I remember the article saying it was not on the record but.. if the League is pushing for this behind the scenes.. then you know it will happen. I could understand them wanting to see Nash not decimated.

Yea I think you'd be deranged to reject that deal even under the circumstances.
- LordStanley88

I would not give them 3 #1 picks along with that player package.

The so called green light strategy has absolutely not taken the money part of the deal off the table. The future financial issues are very much still there for Nashville. If they weren't, they match the deal and tell the Flyers thanks for getting him signed for us.
- MJL

Yup. We're at day 5 now. If there weren't financial restraints, they would've matched day 1 no questions aked a la Vanek.

People need to get the whole offer sheet thing out of their heads.

Without an offer sheet is Weber worth Voracek, Meszaros, Bourdon and 3 1st rounders? I think he's very close to being worth that. Maybe one fewer 1st rounders, but that's around what I felt Weber would demand in a trade all along.

My first suggestion at Nashville demand was back in January or so, when I suggested JvR, Brayden Schenn and 2 1sts as a fair deal for him.
- Jsaquella

I disagree that the offer sheet thing has to be removed. It should absolutely factor in to the deal the Flyers are willing to give Nashville.
I trade that player package. But I definitely don't include 3 first rounders.

If the Flyers do get Weber, and then the new cba has the 5 year max rule for contracts, couldn't that jeopardize the Flyers from retaining their big RFA's in '13? Wouldn't it be real easy for teams to offer a 5 year-40 million offer for Giroux which would be an 8mill cap hit? Then there's Schenn and Cout's to also worry about.

There's another wrinkle to the nash situation no one has brought up, a few years ago when they were sold it was a BIG deal that the majority of owners were local. If this wilson were to take a large share of the team to bail them out, would city/state allow since they've been tossing 6-7 mil at them every year?
- twotoekenn

its been brought up but the proponents of "Nashville Matches" choose to ignore it. I personally think that a week is not enough time for them to restructure their finances. Also another fact that no one brings up is that they have 12 ufas/rfas next offseason, some of these guys will get raises. when you have 20 million committed to two guys thats gonna be hard.

Yup. We're at day 5 now. If there weren't financial restraints, they would've matched day 1 no questions aked a la Vanek.
- LordStanley88

Well the thing that worries me is Colorado took all 7 days to match Sakic. I don't know what the particulars were in that situation

The great thing about the Weber situation is that we will know by Wednesday at 11:30 pm at the latest. None of this uncertainty as was the case with Suter and Parise and is the case with Doan.

Coburn is a forward step. Far more potential than L Schenn. But, Nashville craves a number one center, they have for a long time. I think it is the one thing they might be able to sell their fans on is the idea that a future #1 is part of the package.

The announcement of the green light will be structured for the Nashville faithful. It will involve the full board and more information on capitalization. When leaked it will provide Poile with total authority to settle the matter in the best interest of Nashville's fans and players.
- spatso

I disagree on that. Coburn is what 27,28? He is likely the player he is going to be going forward from here. Luke Schenn is 22, and isn't close to being the player he has the potential he has. At this point there is far more growth available for Schenn then there is for Coburn.

And your posting this green light strategy as if it was something that is unexpected. Of course they were going to get to a point where Poile would have authority to settle the matter in the best interest of the franchise. That was a given all along.

If Poile matches it is not binding on him. In fact, my guess is that alone might constitute a violation of the CBA and abrogate the Flyer offer sheet. I notice the agent has not given any interviews since suggesting there might be a side agreement on the NMC.
- spatso

Well, Nashville can refuse to give him the NTC/NMC, certainly. However, I'm just speculating on what happens if he has one and Nashville tries to move him next summer and he balks.

I doubt highly that Nashville would entertain a trade after paying $27mm over one year to the guy, but stranger things have happened.

If the Flyers do get Weber, and then the new cba has the 5 year max rule for contracts, couldn't that jeopardize the Flyers from retaining their big RFA's in '13? Wouldn't it be real easy for teams to offer a 5 year-40 million offer for Giroux which would be an 8mill cap hit? Then there's Schenn and Cout's to also worry about.
- cheesemix

If we do trade Jake and others to Nashville could Homer put an OS on him then????

Well the thing that worries me is Colorado took all 7 days to match Sakic. I don't know what the particulars were in that situation
- Just5

Yeah, I don't put stock in the time frame. THis is a very important decision obviously. Nash needs to take every second.

Well the thing that worries me is Colorado took all 7 days to match Sakic. I don't know what the particulars were in that situation
- Just5

here you go i found this for you:

August 13, 1997: The Avalanche and Denver Nuggets announce that they will build a new arena downtown that will create revenue and hopefully let the Avs keep Sakic.

its been brought up but the proponents of "Nashville Matches" choose to ignore it. I personally think that a week is not enough time for them to restructure their finances. Also another fact that no one brings up is that they have 12 ufas/rfas next offseason, some of these guys will get raises. when you have 20 million committed to two guys thats gonna be hard.
- Philly1980

I've noticed if you make sense around here you're often ignored.

If the Flyers do get Weber, and then the new cba has the 5 year max rule for contracts, couldn't that jeopardize the Flyers from retaining their big RFA's in '13? Wouldn't it be real easy for teams to offer a 5 year-40 million offer for Giroux which would be an 8mill cap hit? Then there's Schenn and Cout's to also worry about.
- cheesemix

yep. but i don't think the flyers would have any problem matching that, if he keeps playing the way he has

i'd be more worried about 5 years 50 million

If Poile matches it is not binding on him. In fact, my guess is that alone might constitute a violation of the CBA and abrogate the Flyer offer sheet. I notice the agent has not given any interviews since suggesting there might be a side agreement on the NMC.
- spatso

Yes, the conditions of the Offer Sheet are binding on Poile if he matches. An Offer Sheer is not a SPC. It is an offer to enter into an SPC with the conditions of the Offer Sheet. Movement clauses are not contained in an Offer Sheet. That will come when they put the SPC together. And Weber will most certainly get movmement clauses.

If we do trade Jake and others to Nashville could Homer put an OS on him then????
- BaldRich

He could but why would he?

its been brought up but the proponents of "Nashville Matches" choose to ignore it. I personally think that a week is not enough time for them to restructure their finances. Also another fact that no one brings up is that they have 12 ufas/rfas next offseason, some of these guys will get raises. when you have 20 million committed to two guys thats gonna be hard.
- Philly1980

I think said proponents do recognize these things. However, when you're a small market team looking at losing a player of Weber's caliber, you pretty much have to consider taking those risks.

I think a 'Gratton trade' gets done at this point.

Think about this: is the difference in potential between Jake and Meszy to the Schenn's so great that we would walk away from Weber?

Let's not forget about our Ashbee award winner in 2011.

I thought Homer's job is to put the best team he can on the ice ...The OS if declined will help us for sure ,so why would we then help another Franchise get better by sending them players on our roster? Maybe I dont understand this giving players to help Nashville...

I disagree that the offer sheet thing has to be removed. It should absolutely factor in to the deal the Flyers are willing to give Nashville.
I trade that player package. But I definitely don't include 3 first rounders.
- MJL

I'd be loathe to include 3, but I could live with 2.

What I meant was, people seem to be expecting the Flyers to be able to get Weber for nothing but picks. The offer sheet was designed to achieve an end, or more bluntly to force the end to occur.

Expecting to be able to massively low ball Nashville along the way is being unrealistic.

I think said proponents do recognize these things. However, when you're a small market team looking at losing a player of Weber's caliber, you pretty much have to consider taking those risks.

I think a 'Gratton trade' gets done at this point.
- BulliesPhan87

I think you are right on the trade. I am just worried about which players go and that Homer doesn't give up too much. We NEED Weber on this team IMO.