And Sather didn't have an upper hand? Nash has a NMC clause and a list of five teams he was willing to accept, a couple of whom had limited interest or nowhere near enough assets.

Howson also had Nash being quite vocal in his determination to be elsewhere. If Nashville matches, Weber's agent has said there will be no problem. If Howson failed to trade Nash, he'd likely be a millstone.
- Jsaquella

So tell Nash too bad. We get a better offer, then we'll trade you, until then you're under the contract you signed and we were a bad team then too.

Well first of all, the two situations are very different. Secondly, for Columbus to not get one of NY top young players in return, was a very poor job by Howson.

And yes, I would trade Voracek and Meszaros for Weber.
- MJL

The situations are different, but let's not act as if Howson had a totally free hand. It's not as if Ottawa could have jumped in with a great offer and landed Nash.

Both situations featured limited trade partner windows, and other factors which took a lot of power out of one of the GM's hands.

That's the point we were making earlier. Howson should have went to Nash and told him "I'm not getting any fair offers, either give me more teams to work with or take your house off the market and get ready for October"
- shifty28

Absolutely. GM's have to stop having their hand forced by players. I'll try to accomodate you. But I'm not taking a bad deal just to make you happy. Your being well paid, and you have a contract.

that's a lot better than what Columbus got for Nash.
- JoeRussomanno

yet some are saying its too much for Weber because the offer sheet potentially changes the circumstances


both the Nash and Weber situations are pretty unique is what im saying

So tell Nash too bad. We get a better offer, then we'll trade you, until then you're under the contract you signed and we were a bad team then too.
- JoeRussomanno

And then he either sulks and is a bad influence on the kids you have and are trying to rebuild with, or he sits at home and devalues himself

So, let me get this straight. The same people suggesting that a price too high for Weber is an emerging young forward, a talented but inconsistent 26 year old and two first rounders say that a very similar return is a joke to land Rick Nash?

Jake Voracek and Artem Anisimov are very comparable. Both have shown flashes, neither has had a twenty goal season. Brandon Dubinsky has had two 20 goal seasons, but had a very up and down year last year. Tim Erixon is a well regarded former 1st rounder, and the Rangers 1st is likely to be around the same area of the Flyers.

Just trying to get it straight.
- Jsaquella

I don't see Voracek the same as Anisimov, I think he has more value, Dubinsky is a good player that struggled in Torts doghouse, but where is Erixon comparable to Mez? (Mez in rumored to be included in a package, not to include Coburn)
Mez is a top 4 D man, unlike one of the top 4 D men that Howson should have gotten instead of taking Anisimov.

The situations are different, but let's not act as if Howson had a totally free hand. It's not as if Ottawa could have jumped in with a great offer and landed Nash.

Both situations featured limited trade partner windows, and other factors which took a lot of power out of one of the GM's hands.
- Jsaquella

The biggest remaining power Howson had was to say no to the NY deal. And tell Nash he hasn't been able to get the right deal yet.

we have no idea what was said
but i agree that seems a smart move

however to call this a normal trade scenario is not accurate, imo
- Crimsoninja

Alright I can agree with that, it is not normal. However, Howson was in a better position that Poile.

So tell Nash too bad. We get a better offer, then we'll trade you, until then you're under the contract you signed and we were a bad team then too.
- JoeRussomanno

Agreed cause then the NHL turns into the NBA with all there whining pre madonnas and I just cant handle that

And then he either sulks and is a bad influence on the kids you have and are trying to rebuild with, or he sits at home and devalues himself
- Jsaquella

I don't believe any of that would happen with Nash.

Absolutely. GM's have to stop having their hand forced by players. I'll try to accomodate you. But I'm not taking a bad deal just to make you happy. Your being well paid, and you have a contract.
- MJL

Agree.... but from past instances..... if a star demands to be traded they get traded. That's why I think the agent for weber stating weber wants to be in Philly is pretty powerful. Who was it that laughed at me yesterday when I suggested Nash as an example

I don't believe that. Nash is known as a quality individual, and a character player. If he remained in Columbus, I feel he would remain a professional and not make waves. Columbus should have not pulled the trigger, and waited to make a better deal. As long as it took.
- MJL

Unfortunately, we can't know for sure what was said between Nash or the Jackets. For them to abruptly change course, I have to assume something pushed them. Who knows, perhaps ownership demanded an end to the saga.

awesome!!
I think Jake can command $4 million a year in a multi year (very close), I don't know why, but I don't want Doan, I would in a Jagr one or maybe 2 year type deal, but he wants longer, even though he's younger
- puckhead17

In your magical scenario what do the Flyers recoup for MAB, Mez and Shelly?

And then he either sulks and is a bad influence on the kids you have and are trying to rebuild with, or he sits at home and devalues himself
- Jsaquella

Sulk away. IF he refuses to play i believe Columbus gets off the hook for his salary, no? I understand the cap hit is there but the hell with him. I'm sorry but if I'm a columbus fan I'm pissed right now.

As for Nashville this is totally different with Weber. He's on a waiting period to leave unless his current team matches an offer which is the financial equivalent of shooting themselves in the face and hoping to live. They are in less of a position to demand value than Columbus was.

Well first of all, the two situations are very different. Secondly, for Columbus to not get one of NY top young players in return, was a very poor job by Howson.

And yes, I would trade Voracek and Meszaros for Weber.
- MJL

exactly

if you aren't getting one of the top 6 guys up front, then you take Dubinsky & request Del Zotto, he was too worried about quantity then quality

Agreed cause then the NHL turns into the NBA with all there whining pre madonnas and I just cant handle that
- nonpoint22

It's prima donnas, sir. I take pride in my italian heritage slang

I don't believe any of that would happen with Nash.
- MJL

Not sure how you can say that with such certainty

instead of fulfilling the contract he signed... and his role as team captain.. he demanded a trade.. and kept the demand restricted to 5 teams


not saying he's a bad guy, but to say he'd be a good, positive influence in that dressing room going forward is not a given at all, imo

I don't see Voracek the same as Anisimov, I think he has more value, Dubinsky is a good player that struggled in Torts doghouse, but where is Erixon comparable to Mez? (Mez in rumored to be included in a package, not to include Coburn)
Mez is a top 4 D man, unlike one of the top 4 D men that Howson should have gotten instead of taking Anisimov.
- puckhead17

Meszaros is the one I compared to Dubinsky. Both are mid twenties and both have shown inconsistency.

The Jackets actually are pretty deep on defense. They need help up front. Anisimov and Voracek are similar in terms of production over their careers.

Absolutely. GM's have to stop having their hand forced by players. I'll try to accomodate you. But I'm not taking a bad deal just to make you happy. Your being well paid, and you have a contract.
- MJL

The GM also has to take some heat for that as well, they hand out these NTC clauses like candy, yet we bash the player when he exercises his right to use it.

Sulk away. IF he refuses to play i believe Columbus gets off the hook for his salary, no? I understand the cap hit is there but the hell with him. I'm sorry but if I'm a columbus fan I'm pissed right now.

As for Nashville this is totally different with Weber. He's on a waiting period to leave unless his current team matches an offer which is the financial equivalent of shooting themselves in the face and hoping to live. They are in less of a position to demand value than Columbus was.
- JoeRussomanno

True dat!!

Agree.... but from past instances..... if a star demands to be traded they get traded. That's why I think the agent for weber stating weber wants to be in Philly is pretty powerful. Who was it that laughed at me yesterday when I suggested Nash as an example
- moylander

Weber agents comments were the main reason I do and always have believed that Weber would be here...not trying to count my chickens before they hatch but I feel in the culture of the NHL for a players agent to make comments like that are pretty telling to me...I guess we will see if I am right in 48 hrs

yet some are saying its too much for Weber because the offer sheet potentially changes the circumstances


both the Nash and Weber situations are pretty unique is what im saying
- Crimsoninja

gotcha. I'm just not one of those saying it's too much.

< 48 hours.

It's prima donnas, sir. I take pride in my italian heritage slang
- JoeRussomanno

I stand corrected

I stand corrected
- nonpoint22

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