In a magical world here is my 2012-2013 Philadelphia Flyers roster:

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Shane Doan ($5.550m)
Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.750m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.857m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,528,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $671,056

LTIR Pronger, trade Mez/MAB for Weber, sign Doan. Not sure this is possible for the summer overage cap.

He doesn't have Homer's poker face.


- 77rams

A big part is he doesn't have Homer's chip count, but he biggest part is he doesn't know a 2 from an ace

A big part is he doesn't have Homer's chip count, but he biggest part is he doesn't know a 2 from an ace
- shifty28

the chip count is in Snyder's pockets

the chip count is in Snyder's pockets
- puckhead17

Have you seen the movie 21? They work together. They also do things that are legal but frowned upon.

In a magical world here is my 2012-2013 Philadelphia Flyers roster:

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Shane Doan ($5.550m)
Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.750m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.857m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,528,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $671,056

LTIR Pronger, trade Mez/MAB for Weber, sign Doan. Not sure this is possible for the summer overage cap.
- coffee junkie

awesome!!
I think Jake can command $4 million a year in a multi year (very close), I don't know why, but I don't want Doan, I would in a Jagr one or maybe 2 year type deal, but he wants longer, even though he's younger

A big part is he doesn't have Homer's chip count, but he biggest part is he doesn't know a 2 from an ace
- shifty28

Have you seen the movie 21? They work together. They also do things that are legal but frowned upon.
- shifty28

No, I didn't see it, but if Homer is in a game, Snyder is not far.

In a magical world here is my 2012-2013 Philadelphia Flyers roster:

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Shane Doan ($5.550m)
Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.750m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.857m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,528,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $671,056

LTIR Pronger, trade Mez/MAB for Weber, sign Doan. Not sure this is possible for the summer overage cap.
- coffee junkie

nice, I'd rather have Talbot on the wing for that line but it's not a deal breaker for me.

In a magical world here is my 2012-2013 Philadelphia Flyers roster:

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Shane Doan ($5.550m)
Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.750m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Shea Weber ($7.857m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Luke Schenn ($3.600m)
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Bruno Gervais ($0.825m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.738m)
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $69,528,944; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $671,056

LTIR Pronger, trade Mez/MAB for Weber, sign Doan. Not sure this is possible for the summer overage cap.
- coffee junkie

It's possible. But according to scuttlebut, your not going to get Doan for 5.5M. And based on comparables, Voracek is probably looking at more like 4M.

No, I didn't see it, but if Homer is in a game, Snyder is not far.
- puckhead17

Ed is Paul's walking ATM end of story. I, personally, love the combination of these two at the top.

So, let me get this straight. The same people suggesting that a price too high for Weber is an emerging young forward, a talented but inconsistent 26 year old and two first rounders say that a very similar return is a joke to land Rick Nash?

Jake Voracek and Artem Anisimov are very comparable. Both have shown flashes, neither has had a twenty goal season. Brandon Dubinsky has had two 20 goal seasons, but had a very up and down year last year. Tim Erixon is a well regarded former 1st rounder, and the Rangers 1st is likely to be around the same area of the Flyers.

Just trying to get it straight.

So, let me get this straight. The same people suggesting that a price too high for Weber is an emerging young forward, a talented but inconsistent 26 year old and two first rounders say that a very similar return is a joke to land Rick Nash?

Jake Voracek and Artem Anisimov are very comparable. Both have shown flashes, neither has had a twenty goal season. Brandon Dubinsky has had two 20 goal seasons, but had a very up and down year last year. Tim Erixon is a well regarded former 1st rounder, and the Rangers 1st is likely to be around the same area of the Flyers.

Just trying to get it straight.
- Jsaquella

So, let me get this straight. The same people suggesting that a price too high for Weber is an emerging young forward, a talented but inconsistent 26 year old and two first rounders say that a very similar return is a joke to land Rick Nash?

Jake Voracek and Artem Anisimov are very comparable. Both have shown flashes, neither has had a twenty goal season. Brandon Dubinsky has had two 20 goal seasons, but had a very up and down year last year. Tim Erixon is a well regarded former 1st rounder, and the Rangers 1st is likely to be around the same area of the Flyers.

Just trying to get it straight.
- Jsaquella

The difference is a 14 year 110 million contract Weber signed with the Flyers. Homer has the upper hand. It is not a normal trade scenario anymore

The difference is a 14 year 110 million contract Weber signed with the Flyers. Homer has the upper hand. It is not a normal trade scenario anymore
- shifty28

neither is a $7.8 million player with several years left that demands a trade to 1 of 5 teams in a 30 team league

So, let me get this straight. The same people suggesting that a price too high for Weber is an emerging young forward, a talented but inconsistent 26 year old and two first rounders say that a very similar return is a joke to land Rick Nash?

Jake Voracek and Artem Anisimov are very comparable. Both have shown flashes, neither has had a twenty goal season. Brandon Dubinsky has had two 20 goal seasons, but had a very up and down year last year. Tim Erixon is a well regarded former 1st rounder, and the Rangers 1st is likely to be around the same area of the Flyers.

Just trying to get it straight.
- Jsaquella

Well first of all, the two situations are very different. Secondly, for Columbus to not get one of NY top young players in return, was a very poor job by Howson.

And yes, I would trade Voracek and Meszaros for Weber.

Well first of all, the two situations are very different. Secondly, for Columbus to not get one of NY top young players in return, was a very poor job by Howson.

And yes, I would trade Voracek and Meszaros for Weber.
- MJL

would you trade Voracek and Meszy and a 1st for Nash?

would you trade Voracek and Meszy for Nash?
- Crimsoninja

Absolutely.

The difference is a 14 year 110 million contract Weber signed with the Flyers. Homer has the upper hand. It is not a normal trade scenario anymore
- shifty28

And Sather didn't have an upper hand? Nash has a NMC clause and a list of five teams he was willing to accept, a couple of whom had limited interest or nowhere near enough assets.

Howson also had Nash being quite vocal in his determination to be elsewhere. If Nashville matches, Weber's agent has said there will be no problem. If Howson failed to trade Nash, he'd likely be a millstone.

Absolutely.
- MJL

my bad, forgot to add the 1st

neither is a $7.8 million player with several years left that demands a trade to 1 of 5 teams in a 30 team league
- Crimsoninja

That's the point we were making earlier. Howson should have went to Nash and told him "I'm not getting any fair offers, either give me more teams to work with or take your house off the market and get ready for October"

Well first of all, the two situations are very different. Secondly, for Columbus to not get one of NY top young players in return, was a very poor job by Howson.

And yes, I would trade Voracek and Meszaros for Weber.
- MJL

howson: i need one of your top 4 guys to make this work.
sather: no.
howson: you've got a deal!

would you trade Voracek and Meszy and a 1st for Nash?
- Crimsoninja

that's a lot better than what Columbus got for Nash.

That's the point we were making earlier. Howson should have went to Nash and told him "I'm not getting any fair offers, either give me more teams to work with or take your house off the market and get ready for October"
- shifty28

we have no idea what was said
but i agree that seems a smart move

however to call this a normal trade scenario is not accurate, imo

And Sather didn't have an upper hand? Nash has a NMC clause and a list of five teams he was willing to accept, a couple of whom had limited interest or nowhere near enough assets.

Howson also had Nash being quite vocal in his determination to be elsewhere. If Nashville matches, Weber's agent has said there will be no problem. If Howson failed to trade Nash, he'd likely be a millstone.
- Jsaquella

I don't believe that. Nash is known as a quality individual, and a character player. If he remained in Columbus, I feel he would remain a professional and not make waves. Columbus should have not pulled the trigger, and waited to make a better deal. As long as it took.

howson: i need one of your top 4 guys to make this work.
sather: no.
howson: you've got a deal!
- hammarby31

Now if it was that easy with Poile and Murray we would be in business