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Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 23 @ 6:18 PM ET
Hal Steinbrenner is just Ichiring to call him a fat toad
- Jsaquella


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vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 23 @ 6:18 PM ET
Does anyone know where Homer rides his bike???? I might have to buy a bike and ride my bike on that road to get some info
- Slammed81

make sure you wear a helmet
JJBraccili
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wallingford, PA
Joined: 06.26.2009

Jul 23 @ 6:19 PM ET
I don't see how Nashville can match. From what I've read they had gate revenues of $26MM last year and lost $7MM. They have to pay Weber $27MM in the first year and $14MM/YR for 3 years after that. Even if they attempt this, what kind of talent will they be able to surround him with? They have a lot of RFA's and UFA's coming due next year. The Weber deal would blow their whole salary structure to pieces. They could have kept Suter for less than the deal Weber signed and didn't.

As for the Ranger trade, let them have Nash. NY had good chemistry last year. I think bringing Nash in is going to screw that up. What did he do for Columbus?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 23 @ 6:20 PM ET
Fixed
- Deasr1

isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 23 @ 6:21 PM ET

- Jsaquella

F HUE!
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 23 @ 6:22 PM ET
F HUE!
- isaiah520

eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Jul 23 @ 6:25 PM ET
what?
- Richieattack18


the only reason i wouldn't trade both is that i know i'd have (had) a shot at him next year in FA. if he has 4 years or so on his deal right now, no doubt i trade Schenn and Couts + for Weber at that existing cap hit.

PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 23 @ 6:27 PM ET
Anisimov and Dubinsky....

Comical.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 23 @ 6:27 PM ET
Anisimov and Dubinsky....

Comical.

- PLindbergh31

imagine the offers Howson rejected from the only other 4 teams he was able to deal with
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 23 @ 6:28 PM ET

- Jsaquella

Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 23 @ 6:28 PM ET
Anisimov and Dubinsky....

Comical.

- PLindbergh31


It is astoundingly bad. I didn't even think that could be a worst case scenario for the bj's. I figured one of Stepan or hagelin was a sure bet
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 23 @ 6:29 PM ET
I don't see how Nashville can match. From what I've read they had gate revenues of $26MM last year and lost $7MM. They have to pay Weber $27MM in the first year and $14MM/YR for 3 years after that. Even if they attempt this, what kind of talent will they be able to surround him with? They have a lot of RFA's and UFA's coming due next year. The Weber deal would blow their whole salary structure to pieces. They could have kept Suter for less than the deal Weber signed and didn't.

As for the Ranger trade, let them have Nash. NY had good chemistry last year. I think bringing Nash in is going to screw that up. What did he do for Columbus?

- JJBraccili


Average 32 goals a year for a dog ugly team?
Jazziac
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.05.2010

Jul 23 @ 6:29 PM ET
Question:
If they go the Gratton route and the Flyers get some of their 1st round picks back, those will be Nashville picks, right? Meaning, the Flyers will be selecting based on Nashville's standing at the end of the season?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 23 @ 6:30 PM ET
imagine the offers Howson rejected from the only other 4 teams he was able to deal with
- Crimsoninja


I thought 70 yr old men raping people was finally going away. Yet it became news again today.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jul 23 @ 6:31 PM ET
Average 32 goals a year for a dog ugly team?
- 77rams


That is a stellar avatar Sir. Grandpa/Al Lewis rules!
eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Jul 23 @ 6:31 PM ET
Question:
If they go the Gratton route and the Flyers get some of their 1st round picks back, those will be Nashville picks, right? Meaning, the Flyers will be selecting based on Nashville's standing at the end of the season?

- Jazziac


they would be where the FLyers pick....b/c if Nash kept them, it would be

NASH (from Philly)

Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 23 @ 6:32 PM ET
Question:
If they go the Gratton route and the Flyers get some of their 1st round picks back, those will be Nashville picks, right? Meaning, the Flyers will be selecting based on Nashville's standing at the end of the season?

- Jazziac



no i imagine they'd be sending back our own picks, not theirs
Jazziac
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.05.2010

Jul 23 @ 6:33 PM ET
they would be where the FLyers pick....b/c if Nash kept them, it would be

NASH (from Philly)

- eshake


Of course. Thanks.
JJBraccili
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wallingford, PA
Joined: 06.26.2009

Jul 23 @ 6:35 PM ET
I think the Flyers have a pretty good shot at Bobby Ryan. Rangers didn't have to give up that much to get Nash. The price for Ryan just took a hit. I don't think he wants to stay with the Ducks. The Rangers are probably out of the Ryan picture. I even think if the Flyers decide to trade for Weber, the price has just taken a hit. We'll know pretty soon. Everything should be cleared up by the end of the week.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 23 @ 6:36 PM ET
That is a stellar avatar Sir. Grandpa/Al Lewis rules!
- PLindbergh31


ty kind sir.

And may I add you have excellent taste and are a blogger extraordinaire as well.
eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Jul 23 @ 6:37 PM ET
I think the Flyers have a pretty good shot at Bobby Ryan. Rangers didn't have to give up that much to get Nash. The price for Ryan just took a hit. I don't think he wants to stay with the Ducks. The Rangers are probably out of the Ryan picture. I even think if the Flyers decide to trade for Weber, the price has just taken a hit. We'll know pretty soon. Everything should be cleared up by the end of the week.
- JJBraccili


see, i kinda thought so too...but my home boy MJL made a good point:

there is one less top line forward available now with NASH gone....and still as many teams looking for one.

but still, i think people look at what other trades and base what could be offered. some may say that Ryan has higher value tho
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 23 @ 6:38 PM ET
imagine the offers Howson rejected from the only other 4 teams he was able to deal with
- Crimsoninja

do you know which 5 teams Nash had agreed to go to?
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 23 @ 6:38 PM ET
I thought 70 yr old men raping people was finally going away. Yet it became news again today.
- PLindbergh31


I actually think it's a fair trade, given that Nash could block deals to anyone and that really limited the pool of bidders.

Dubinsky had a bad year last year, but he's only 26 and has a couple of twenty goal seasons on his resume. Anisimov is a good playmaker and skater. He showed some chemistry with Steppan and Gaborik last year, and is only 24.

Erixon is a takented prospect with some question marks-attitude & strength-but he's got a nice skill set. Plus the Jackets have 3 first rounders in a very deep 2013 draft class.

Nash is a very good player that will help the Rangers, no doubt, but the Jackets could get a nice benefit from their return.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 23 @ 6:39 PM ET
I think the Flyers have a pretty good shot at Bobby Ryan. Rangers didn't have to give up that much to get Nash. The price for Ryan just took a hit. I don't think he wants to stay with the Ducks. The Rangers are probably out of the Ryan picture. I even think if the Flyers decide to trade for Weber, the price has just taken a hit. We'll know pretty soon. Everything should be cleared up by the end of the week.
- JJBraccili


I don't think the flyers have the depth/pieces to pull of weber and Ryan deals. It will be one or the other IMO
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Jul 23 @ 6:39 PM ET
There's no doubt in my mind now, that if the Flyers really wanted Nash, because they didn't, they would have had him.
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