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Cloverfield
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newport Beach, CA
Joined: 07.02.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:40 PM ET
can these shirts be dyed orange?
- vejim



eayost
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Into the Void, PA
Joined: 04.14.2010

Jul 23 @ 4:41 PM ET
I just wonder why, if the Flyers and CBJs were every really serious about Nash, they did the trade now with the Weber thing hanging in the wind. Did NYR force their hand? With those players?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 23 @ 4:46 PM ET
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Pat MaGroin
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kensington, PA
Joined: 06.03.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:54 PM ET
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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 23 @ 4:55 PM ET
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- Pat MaGroin

I'm going to apply for tech support on Ek's site so I can stop this from happening.

Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:56 PM ET
are we back??
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:56 PM ET
are we back??
- Slammed81


no.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:56 PM ET
I'm going to apply for tech support on Ek's site so I can stop this from happening.


- stveshdy

I can see bad things happening when the Weber news hits
Pat MaGroin
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kensington, PA
Joined: 06.03.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:57 PM ET
I'm going to apply for tech support on Ek's site so I can stop this from happening.


- stveshdy


I thought the Weber decision happened
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:58 PM ET
I thought the Weber decision happened
- Pat MaGroin


For all we know it has but they may not be in a hurry to say it.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 23 @ 4:58 PM ET
I can see bad things happening when the Weber news hits
- Slammed81


Probably won't be able to post for the rest of the day (minimum).
Pat MaGroin
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kensington, PA
Joined: 06.03.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:59 PM ET
are we back??
- Slammed81




And we're back
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:59 PM ET
Your defense is young and mostly inexperienced. They were supported by a strong defensive first supporting cast from the forwards, which they are not going to have. MDZ is still RFA, and MD is next year... Staal hasn't really proven to me that he is a Number 1 guy yet either... If your offense doesnt play as well defensively, your d-men are going to get exposed. Bank it.
- RooNosHockey



Like the Flyers defense did last Season? Any defense, regardless of how good it is, would get exposed if it doesn't have the support of the forwards. So I hardly see how that is relevant. And losing the forwards that the Rangers did today, isn't going to change how well they play defensively as a team.
Staal and Giradi are 2 very solid veteran defenseman. Girardi is better then any defenseman on the Flyers currently not named Timonen. Del Zotto and McDonaugh are future top puck moving defenseman. If they aren't all ready. Right now, the Rangers have a better defense core then the Flyers do.
Pat MaGroin
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kensington, PA
Joined: 06.03.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:59 PM ET
Probably won't be able to post for the rest of the day (minimum).
- stveshdy


MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 23 @ 5:00 PM ET
I'm sorry. Didn't we just beat Malkin, Crosby, Staal, Letang, and Fluery in the playoffs last year? Why are you guys so scared?
- RooNosHockey


How did we do in the next round?
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 23 @ 5:01 PM ET
Tongue-in-cheek? Try looking at picks 5-10 over the past 10 years, or even 5-15. To put that much stock in one number is a bit silly...
- steelydan



but this works better for his argument.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 23 @ 5:01 PM ET
like i said earlier, i think the fact that Ryan's value has lessened due to this trade...Holmgren might be even more content to stand firm on this Weber deal and allow whatever is going to happen, happen.

i still like our defense even if Weber isn't signed, and we still have plenty of assets to grab Bobby Ryan +

- eshake


Did Ryan's value lessen? If teams are looking for a top scoring line forward. There is now one less on the market.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 23 @ 5:02 PM ET
Don't brethren me, bro
- BulliesPhan87


My apologies - I didn't know what it meant at the time and still don't.

I thought is was a positive word though - not something to get one banned.

I will stick to simple words from now on.
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 23 @ 5:02 PM ET
I just wonder why, if the Flyers and CBJs were every really serious about Nash, they did the trade now with the Weber thing hanging in the wind. Did NYR force their hand? With those players?
- eayost


yes, the timing hurts us in my view
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 23 @ 5:02 PM ET
Did Ryan's value lessen? If teams are looking for a top scoring line forward. There is now one less on the market.
- MJL


David Pollak‏@PollakOnSharks

And hearing price for Nash going East considerably lower than if he stayed in West, so #sjsharks couldn't have gotten him for NYR equivalent


So I guess Howson turned down a better offer? Or he just wanted more?
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 23 @ 5:03 PM ET
DA MAN is back.
- stveshdy


Probably not for long. It is obvious certain people don't like me.

But I like it here - so I'll give it another try!
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 23 @ 5:03 PM ET
David Pollak‏@PollakOnSharks

And hearing price for Nash going East considerably lower than if he stayed in West, so #sjsharks couldn't have gotten him for NYR equivalent


So I guess Howson turned down a better offer.

- stveshdy

Sens offer was better apparently then both but he didnt wanna go there
Lexington Flyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NoHockeyTown , KY
Joined: 04.02.2008

Jul 23 @ 5:04 PM ET
My apologies - I didn't know what it meant at the time and still don't.

I thought is was a positive word though - not something to get one banned.

I will stick to simple words from now on.

- Daman


Always opt for "bro" over "brethren".
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 23 @ 5:04 PM ET
Probably not for long. It is obvious certain people don't like me.

But I like it here - so I'll give it another try!

- Daman


Your alright in my book.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jul 23 @ 5:05 PM ET
yes, the timing hurts us in my view
- FlyersFirst


Howson is attempting to stick it to the Flyers or something like that
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