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FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:20 PM ET
Here is my Question. Now that Nash has gone to the Rags, did Poile judt gain leverage on Homer? Now dont we NEED Weber and CAN'T let him walk with the blueshirts getting that much better?? I think this poorly timed Rags deal hurts our position at the bargaining table. Couldnt they have waited 2 more days????
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:20 PM ET
noway, jailbirdrobert has flyers gettin him for picks
- aosplayo



Your not taking him seriously either
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:21 PM ET
Here is my Question. Now that Nash has gone to the Rags, did Poile judt gain leverage on Homer? Now dont we NEED Weber and CAN'T let him walk with the blueshirts getting that much better?? I think this poorly timed Rags deal hurts our position at the bargaining table. Couldnt they have waited 2 more days????
- FlyersFirst

you're getting weber no matter what.
mydoglicks
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: downingtown, PA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:21 PM ET
Here is my Question. Now that Nash has gone to the Rags, did Poile judt gain leverage on Homer? Now dont we NEED Weber and CAN'T let him walk with the blueshirts getting that much better?? I think this poorly timed Rags deal hurts our position at the bargaining table. Couldnt they have waited 2 more days????
- FlyersFirst


poile has noe leverage if the preds ceo wont match
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:21 PM ET
or brodin or siemens or baertschi. maybe dougie goes in the top 5 if things shake out differently
- Crimsoninja



so if couts went higher discounting his mono that would somehow make dougie also go higher? i think you're reaching here.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:21 PM ET
yea i dont follow him, i just find it funny he gets the green light to match... wouldnt it just be ok were matching..
- Slammed81


I think if he got the green light to match it would have been done before hockeyinsidurrrrrr had the chance to tweet about it.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:22 PM ET
Here is my Question. Now that Nash has gone to the Rags, did Poile judt gain leverage on Homer? Now dont we NEED Weber and CAN'T let him walk with the blueshirts getting that much better?? I think this poorly timed Rags deal hurts our position at the bargaining table. Couldnt they have waited 2 more days????
- FlyersFirst


It makes it a better deal for Rangers cause he stuck it to Homer a bit...We do the same to them that what makes the rivalry good it goes on all year on and off the ice
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:22 PM ET
poile has noe leverage if the preds ceo wont match
- mydoglicks


and how does or would Homer know that???
RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:22 PM ET
Here is my Question. Now that Nash has gone to the Rags, did Poile judt gain leverage on Homer? Now dont we NEED Weber and CAN'T let him walk with the blueshirts getting that much better?? I think this poorly timed Rags deal hurts our position at the bargaining table. Couldnt they have waited 2 more days????
- FlyersFirst


I'm sorry. Didn't we just beat Malkin, Crosby, Staal, Letang, and Fluery in the playoffs last year? Why are you guys so scared?
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:22 PM ET
yay, my hockeybuzz ban is now over and I can finally comment on Weber again.
FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:23 PM ET
if he gives up only the picks, he wins by a landslide. if he subs some picks with players he still probably wins. Just as long as he doesn't give up Bschenn or Couts.
- tomburton99


i'm with you there
eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:23 PM ET
Here is my Question. Now that Nash has gone to the Rags, did Poile judt gain leverage on Homer? Now dont we NEED Weber and CAN'T let him walk with the blueshirts getting that much better?? I think this poorly timed Rags deal hurts our position at the bargaining table. Couldnt they have waited 2 more days????
- FlyersFirst


like i said earlier, i think the fact that Ryan's value has lessened due to this trade...Holmgren might be even more content to stand firm on this Weber deal and allow whatever is going to happen, happen.

i still like our defense even if Weber isn't signed, and we still have plenty of assets to grab Bobby Ryan +
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jul 23 @ 4:23 PM ET
On the Nash deal, I think the Rangers did well holding on to Stepan and Kreider. On MDZ, did Columbus really want him after getting Jack Johnson last year?

I also see Dubinsky having a bounce back year in Columbus. Anisimov and Dubi were hell on the Flyers and I'm happy to see them out of NY.

I think the deal looks worse for Columbus right now because the expectations for what Nash would bring back were set too high.

Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:23 PM ET
sso if couts went higher discounting his mono that would somehow make dougie also go higher? i think you're reaching here.
- Don'tForgetTocchet

im saying that, to me, evaluating that trade to include Couts doesnt work

its all hindsight
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:23 PM ET
I'm sorry. Didn't we just beat Malkin, Crosby, Staal, Letang, and Fluery in the playoffs last year? Why are you guys so scared?
- RooNosHockey



Cause the Rangers kicked our ass last year and just got better....
FlyersFirst
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:24 PM ET
I'm sorry. Didn't we just beat Malkin, Crosby, Staal, Letang, and Fluery in the playoffs last year? Why are you guys so scared?
- RooNosHockey


not scared but as i recall, the rags SWEPT us last year and King henry and the other 7 goalies they have packed into the net make it a little hard to score
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 23 @ 4:24 PM ET
if he gives up only the picks, he wins by a landslide. if he subs some picks with players he still probably wins. Just as long as he doesn't give up Bschenn or Couts.
- tomburton99


The rangers have a top 3 defensive unit in the league. McDonough is a perennial all star.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jul 23 @ 4:27 PM ET
yay, my hockeybuzz ban is now over and I can finally comment on Weber again.

- FlyerGuy

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RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:27 PM ET
Cause the Rangers kicked our ass last year and just got better....
- nonpoint22


I dont think they did. Thier forwards are not as good defensively, which was what gave the Flyers fits. IMO they just became easier to score on, and you saw that we can beat the Penguins at offense, and I dont think the Rangers are as good as Pitt at offense.
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:27 PM ET
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- feelingkettle

RooNosHockey
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bear, DE
Joined: 10.25.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:28 PM ET
yay, my hockeybuzz ban is now over and I can finally comment on Weber again.

- FlyerGuy


What did you do?
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:28 PM ET
I dont think they did. Thier forwards are not as good defensively, which was what gave the Flyers fits. IMO they just became easier to score on, and you saw that we can beat the Penguins at offense, and I dont think the Rangers are as good as Pitt at offense.
- RooNosHockey

we don't have the same offense at the moment
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:29 PM ET
all-time greats picked at #8 over the last 20 years

2010 - Burmistrov
09 - Scott Glennie
08 - Boedkker
07 - Zach Hamill
06 - P. Mueller
05 - Setoguchi
04 - Alexandre Picard (the forward)
03 - Coburn
02 - PM Bouchard
01 - Pascal Leclaire
00 - Nikita Alexeev
99 - Taylor Pyatt
98 - Mark Bell
97 - Samsonov
96 - Johnathan Aitken
95 - Terry Ryan
94 - Jason Wiemer
93 - Niklas Sundstrom
92 - Brandon Convery
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:30 PM ET
What did you do?
- RooNosHockey

in defense of another poster I called someone here "condescending".

I guess I hit a nerve.
Philly1980
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 12.30.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:30 PM ET
Talk about playing both sides of the fence LOL

Hockeyy Insiderr ‏@HockeyyInsiderr
IF Weber says he has ZERO interest to pursue his career with #Preds, Poile will try to work an advantageous deal with #Flyers.
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