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FlyerMike18
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.07.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:02 PM ET
YEAH BABY....weber shirts on sale uhhh ohhhh


- Philly1980


isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 23 @ 4:02 PM ET
If they were keeping him those shirts would be $50
- aosplayo

head fake...don't poile the surprise
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:02 PM ET
that would qualify

ironic that many of those people were the same that called shero a genius. guess it all depends on perspective

- FlyerMike18

aka spin
phi1671
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 08.06.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:02 PM ET
Weber is not important at the moment...they had to:
Sergei Kostitsyn has signed a two-year, $6 million deal with the Nashville Predators, avoiding arbitration.

The 25-year-old winger recorded 17 goals and 43 points in 75 games for the Predators last season. In 10 post-season games, Kostitsyn notched a goal and an assist in 10 games.

The former seventh-round draft pick has spent the past two seasons in Nashville after he was traded from the Montreal Canadiens.

In 307 NHL games, Kostitsyn has 64 goals and 161 assists.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:02 PM ET


coburn is 27, does he have an ntc?
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:03 PM ET
ok. so when rick nash only scored 26 goals this year and the blue jackets are a much better team, will you come back and say the BJs fleeced the rags?
- OrangeBlack27

Sounds like a feminine problem to me
eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:04 PM ET
does this actually drop the value of Bobby Ryan to the point where MAYBE Holmgren feels even MORE comfortable standing pat on the Weber deal?

if he calls Nash's bluff, and they do sign....Flyers could send Reed and a 1st for Ryan

i still like the defense w/o Weber, and Ryan would be the top RW they were looking for....

AND you still have plenty of cap space


AND AND AND....Pronger for the playoffs!!!!


BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:04 PM ET
coburn is 27, does he have an ntc?
- Don'tForgetTocchet

According to capgeek, a modified NTC.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:04 PM ET
It's just a feeling. Ryan is more of a practical match for Giroux. Both are young and can grow together and he is signed to a reasonable cap for next 3 years, I think. Better fit than Nash or Semin in my opinion. Rather have Ryan than Nash, Semin or Doan. Only my silly opinion
- Deasr1


i agree with this... rather have ryan.... i just feel read, MAB and a pick isnt getting him
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:04 PM ET
but for real, how do you factor in Couts when evaluating that trade. No one had any clue he'd drop that far
- Crimsoninja



Because it's the 8th pcik. Even if it wasn't Couturier and it was another player. The chances at that slot of getting a player that is better then Dubinsky or Anisimov is very good.
Richieattack18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Girouxsalem
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 23 @ 4:05 PM ET
Pat MaGroin
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kensington, PA
Joined: 06.03.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:05 PM ET
coburn is 27, does he have an ntc?
- Don'tForgetTocchet


Limited NTC, I think he can name 12 teams he can't be traded to
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:05 PM ET
Weber is not important at the moment...they had to:
Sergei Kostitsyn has signed a two-year, $6 million deal with the Nashville Predators, avoiding arbitration.

The 25-year-old winger recorded 17 goals and 43 points in 75 games for the Predators last season. In 10 post-season games, Kostitsyn notched a goal and an assist in 10 games.

The former seventh-round draft pick has spent the past two seasons in Nashville after he was traded from the Montreal Canadiens.

In 307 NHL games, Kostitsyn has 64 goals and 161 assists.

- phi1671



Nice to see they have there priorities in order
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 23 @ 4:06 PM ET
Limited NTC, I think he can name 12 teams he can't be traded to
- Pat MaGroin


i think it's 10, but yeah it's something like this.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 23 @ 4:06 PM ET
Because it's the 8th pcik. Even if it wasn't Couturier and it was another player. The chances at that slot of getting a player that is better then Dubinsky or Anisimov is very good.
- MJL

Completely agree.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:06 PM ET
Why does everyone think Read and 1st will get Ryan... seriously unless his name is Howson that deal isnt even coming close to getting done
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:07 PM ET
I think the Rangers are going to have a great 1st line, but after that it gets thin. Scoring was spotty after the 1st line last year, take away 2 players from that and it's likely worse unless Kreider comes and becomes a 2nd line player right away. Also thier defensive is going to suffer big time. They lost Prust, Dubinsky, and Fedotenko... Who is going to pick up that slack? Aaron Asham?

I think thier young defense is going to get exposed like never before, and Hank is going to have a dreadful year. I'm not sure what you guys are afraid of. We beat a much deeper and better team in the Penguins in the playoffs last year. We can take the new Defenseless Rangers.

- RooNosHockey

did the rangers loose mdz, staal, girardi or mcdonagh in this deal? don't think so. Stralman is ok, i'm not expect him to turn into bobby orr. Bickel is a good 7th defensman, so i think the rangers neeed a guy like jurcina. but defenseless? Give me a break, this is laughable.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
did the rangers loose mdz, staal, girardi or mcdonagh in this deal? don't think so. Stralman is ok, i'm not expect him to turn into bobby orr. Bickel is a good 7th defensman, so i think the rangers neeed a guy like jurcina. but defenseless? Give me a break, this is laughable.
- tomburton99

beat it, troll
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
but for real, how do you factor in Couts when evaluating that trade. No one had any clue he'd drop that far
- Crimsoninja



so we would have had the dougie. is that so bad?
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
Because it's the 8th pcik. Even if it wasn't Couturier and it was another player. The chances at that slot of getting a player that is better then Dubinsky or Anisimov is very good.
- MJL


show your work.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
ok. so when rick nash only scored 26 goals this year and the blue jackets are a much better team, will you come back and say the BJs fleeced the rags?
- OrangeBlack27


That's not going to happen IMO, but it would depend on how the players they recevied fare in Columbus.

Trades are always judged down the road.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
show your work.
- OrangeBlack27


I definitely agree with what MJL said.
Slammed81
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gwynedd, PA
Joined: 06.04.2011

Jul 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
Nice to see they have there priorities in order

- nonpoint22

Unless there trying to see how much he was gonna cost to move forward with weber deal...... interesting
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 23 @ 4:08 PM ET
did the rangers loose mdz, staal, girardi or mcdonagh in this deal? don't think so. Stralman is ok, i'm not expect him to turn into bobby orr. Bickel is a good 7th defensman, so i think the rangers neeed a guy like jurcina. but defenseless? Give me a break, this is laughable.
- tomburton99

I agree with you.. and its not like Rick Nash is a slouch defensively...

This is a very good trade for you guys IMO. Dont understand Howson AT ALL.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 23 @ 4:09 PM ET
i think it's 10, but yeah it's something like this.
- OrangeBlack27

1. Columbus
2. Nashville
3 through 10 see above
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