I just don't understand your view on this. For the first year only two teams are involved. The signed OS assureds that. Nashville only has the hammered if ownership will match. A lot of the financial analysis leads me to think that the OS was structured so Nash almost couldn't match.

To me they are playing 5 card draw now. It will be fun to play out. The only team over a barrell is Nashville, if they can't get the funds to match.
- brubacca

if they CANT match you're right. if they can they hold ALL the cards. get what you want or sign weber long term, which is what they wanted all along. i believe they match. wilson has the cash.

Maybe from the outside I don't understand, but I think too much is being made of the fanbase/revenue loss if Weber isn't matched. The media gets carried away IMO of these doom and gloom scenarios for the franchise without Weber. If ownership really thought one guy was that important, they'd have already offered a deal he'd have taken if he really is ok staying there. And him signing the offer sheet tells me he's ok staying there. And make no mistake, Weber is not a marketing option like Crosby or Ovechkin. We all know he's a great player, but he obviously isn't going to turn around a franchise single handedly. It would have already happened, or would be much further along than it is. And Nashville still has some good young d-men in their system. If they get players, they can still be a playoff team IMO due to how Trotz seems to get more than the sum of their parts out of his players. The picks received allow things like bringing in more bodies via trade, or moving up in a supposed deep draft, or just using them to deepen the prospect pool.
- eayost

Not sure why Flyer fans are arguing the merit of the Nashville benefits of doing a deal on suggested Flyer terms. There is always two sides to any deal. Poile has to decide on what is the best way going forward of putting the best team on ice for his fans and young players. Flyer fans have to worry if the offer is enough to stop him from matching.

Sorry, miscue, on my part ( or auto correct). I had meant to say, as you correctly noted that there are no other teams involved.

The choices are very clear for both sides. When Poile is given the green light he will be told that the money for Weber is covered. So, his only concern is the best outcome for his team, players and fans. Holmgren has exactly the same mandate. Now they do a real hockey deal.
- spatso

Poile may be given the green light. But just past that green light, there are some definite stop signs. Poile is a smart enough Hockey man to know if they keep Weber, they are looking at a lot of roadblocks down the line in building the team. Can it be done, sure. But they will be cutting corners for years. So a trade may very well be the best outcome for the Preds. What's a real Hockey deal? The right deal in this situation is one where the Preds fans are going to be saying is that all we got. The right deal doesn't include Schenn or Couturier.

Did not know this as well, so they can pay him all that cash, and zero revenue to show for it if the seasons delayed,

Crazy!
Cannot see them matching this, as well, no way they get Jake in the trade, we have no trade chips for a scoring winger & he's as close to a 60 point winger that we have after Hartnell.
- puckhead17

I hope ur right about Jake. In the later part of the reg season and playoffs.. I thought he was great. Carried the puck a lot backed off the d etc..scored some key goals.. I'd hate to see our wing situation without him. To me..hes a natural fit to play with roo.

Poile may be given the green light. But just past that green light, there are some definite stop signs. Poile is a smart enough Hockey man to know if they keep Weber, they are looking at a lot of roadblocks down the line in building the team. Can it be done, sure. But they will be cutting corners for years. So a trade may very well be the best outcome for the Preds. What's a real Hockey deal? The right deal in this situation is one where the Preds fans are going to be saying is that all we got. The right deal doesn't include Schenn or Couturier.
- MJL

Shaddup, you aren't gonna hose Nashville again under these circumstances

Lol because wilson welll swoop down like batman and save the day. I never met a rich guy who like loosing money. There is a lot of risk for them taking that contract:

1. No season he gets paid.
2. He gets injured he gets paid.
3. Hes pissed to the point he sits out...he gets paid.

He gets paid either way. im sure poile contacts him to see if he would like to stay...if he does they match.

Nashvilles financials go from: 1 million loss to 27 mill. good luck getting nashville taxpayers to float that bill.
- Philly1980

he sits out he doesnt get paid. also weber knew this could happen. he has no more right to be po'd than the preds do over an offer sheet. its business. besides, while i know it would be expensive, imo we match and if things arent rosey then we trade him next year. he would be worth a fortune on the open market to 29 potential buyers. hes signed long term which is a plus. sure his contract would run off a few suiters (or is that suters lol) but the big boys would be lining up. imo, thats waaaaay better for the franchise than taking 4 likely low end 1st rounders or a terribly one sided deal from philly now.

Not sure why Flyer fans are arguing the merit of the Nashville benefits of doing a deal on suggested Flyer terms. There is always two sides to any deal. Poile has to decide on what is the best way going forward of putting the best team on ice for his fans and young players. Flyer fans have to worry if the offer is enough to stop him from matching.
- spatso

I didn't mention any players specifically, so I'm not even talking about a deal "on suggested Flyers terms". I'm making a more general statement about the media's reaction if Weber is essentially traded and not matched, and all the dooms day stories that will come out of it, when I think they will mostly be unfounded whether the deal is closer to what the Preds want or closer to what the Flyers want. I'm trying to give the Preds credit to ice a decent team no matter the deck of cards they've been dealt. They started doing it before Suter and Weber were great players, and they'll do it afterward, with or without them.

Maybe I just shouldn't care what the media thinks, which is probably the right course anyways.

Poile may be given the green light. But just past that green light, there are some definite stop signs. Poile is a smart enough Hockey man to know if they keep Weber, they are looking at a lot of roadblocks down the line in building the team. Can it be done, sure. But they will be cutting corners for years. So a trade may very well be the best outcome for the Preds. What's a real Hockey deal? The right deal in this situation is one where the Preds fans are going to be saying is that all we got. The right deal doesn't include Schenn or Couturier.
- MJL

Other than for a hockey game this is great fun. Holmgren has given us the most exciting off season in years. So, if your Holmgren and I'm Poile. I believe that Wednesday noon you are going to give me Schenn/Schenn. I would actually prefer that to matching. Are you going to say no?

Other than for a hockey game this is great fun. Holmgren has given us the most exciting off season in years. So, if your Holmgren and I'm Poile. I believe that Wednesday noon you are going to give me Schenn/Schenn. I would actually prefer that to matching. Are you going to say no?
- spatso

Yes, I'm going to say no. Especially if I feel you want to make a deal.

You can have Luke Schenn. But not Brayden Schenn.

Other than for a hockey game this is great fun. Holmgren has given us the most exciting off season in years. So, if your Holmgren and I'm Poile. I believe that Wednesday noon you are going to give me Schenn/Schenn. I would actually prefer that to matching. Are you going to say no?
- spatso

One question, is the deadline 1130 pm Wednesday or 1130 am? For some reason, i thought it was 1130 am, but I have seen it posted 1130 pm as well.

I didn't mention any players specifically, so I'm not even talking about a deal "on suggested Flyers terms". I'm making a more general statement about the media's reaction if Weber is essentially traded and not matched, and all the dooms day stories that will come out of it, when I think they will mostly be unfounded whether the deal is closer to what the Preds want or closer to what the Flyers want. I'm trying to give the Preds credit to ice a decent team no matter the deck of cards they've been dealt. They started doing it before Suter and Weber were great players, and they'll do it afterward, with or without them.

Maybe I just shouldn't care what the media thinks, which is probably the right course anyways.
- eayost

I think losing Weber on top of Suter is a bigger blow to Nashville then your suggesting. This would set them back a good number of years.

One question, is the deadline 1130 pm Wednesday or 1130 am? For some reason, i thought it was 1130 am, but I have seen it posted 1130 pm as well.
- Hextall271

It's PM

I hope ur right about Jake. In the later part of the reg season and playoffs.. I thought he was great. Carried the puck a lot backed off the d etc..scored some key goals.. I'd hate to see our wing situation without him. To me..hes a natural fit to play with roo.
- Hextall271

another issue the preds must consider is that if there is a lockout of any length, there poor revunue team will take another financial hit and weber will be due $28 million this year regardless, and throw rinnes 7, thats 35 mill to those 2 no matter what

Yes, I'm going to say no. Especially if I feel you want to make a deal.

You can have Luke Schenn. But not Brayden Schenn.
- MJL

Couldnt agree more... but I'd go even further and say no to either Schenn. Meszy or bust on defense.

I have a rationale for that... I think having Luke will make Brayden that much better.

another issue the preds must consider is that if there is a lockout of any length, there poor revunue team will take another financial hit and weber will be due $28 million this year regardless, and throw rinnes 7, thats 35 mill to those 2 no matter what
- mydoglicks

Not true, Rinne doesn't have any signing bonus money in his deal. He would not be paid if there was a lockout.

another issue the preds must consider is that if there is a lockout of any length, there poor revunue team will take another financial hit and weber will be due $28 million this year regardless, and throw rinnes 7, thats 35 mill to those 2 no matter what
- mydoglicks

There is a lot more to things than ticket revenue, i know this, but at the same time ticket sales are a huge determining factor on the financial success of a club.

Over the next 6 years.. if Nashville reproduces their highest drawing ever (26mil this season, including playoffs) over the next 6 years they will bring in $156 million.. unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your stance) if they match, they are looking at around $286 million in player salaries over that same span... with $106 million of that going to JUST Rinne and Weber.

Not true, Rinne doesn't have any signing bonus money in his deal. He would not be paid if there was a lockout.
- MJL

and not that it matters, but it would only be 26 mil that Weber would get as his $1 mil salary would be lost.

he sits out he doesnt get paid. also weber knew this could happen. he has no more right to be po'd than the preds do over an offer sheet. its business. besides, while i know it would be expensive, imo we match and if things arent rosey then we trade him next year. he would be worth a fortune on the open market to 29 potential buyers. hes signed long term which is a plus. sure his contract would run off a few suiters (or is that suters lol) but the big boys would be lining up. imo, thats waaaaay better for the franchise than taking 4 likely low end 1st rounders or a terribly one sided deal from philly now.
- predswilrule

Part of the problem of the pred's matching is they obviously didnt come close to to this type of offer when they had the chance....Weber negotiated with Nashville the last year and a half and yet had to go out and do his own dog and pony show to get paid.
I honestly thing the preds will match. If the Flyers continue to with hold Schenn and Couturier, I don't think Vorecek, Meszaros and the other pieces get it done....Maybe a Matt Read ? I have thought all along there is a deal to be made....But Weber is a Franchise Player.....I think they need a higher end talent to justify to the developing fan base that they are legitiment....but like so many have argued they may not be in a spot negotiate.

Other than for a hockey game this is great fun. Holmgren has given us the most exciting off season in years. So, if your Holmgren and I'm Poile. I believe that Wednesday noon you are going to give me Schenn/Schenn. I would actually prefer that to matching. Are you going to say no?
- spatso

Not only do I say No but Heck no. The preds need Weber more than the flyers do. If Schenn and Schenn are the only way to get Weber then if I am PH I tell Poile good luck this upcoming season and that the flyers will be pursuing other players.

Yes, I'm going to say no. Especially if I feel you want to make a deal.

You can have Luke Schenn. But not Brayden Schenn.
- MJL

As Poile, I am disappointed. I advise Weber that I tried to get a deal but could not get it done, will advise league office of my decision to match.

Part of the problem of the pred's matching is they obviously didnt come close to to this type of offer when they had the chance....Weber negotiated with Nashville the last year and a half and yet had to go out and do his own dog and pony show to get paid.
I honestly thing the preds will match. If the Flyers continue to with hold Schenn and Couturier, I don't think Vorecek, Meszaros and the other pieces get it done....Maybe a Matt Read ? I have thought all along there is a deal to be made....But Weber is a Franchise Player.....I think they need a higher end talent to justify to the developing fan base that they are legitiment....but like so many have argued they may not be in a spot negotiate.
- landros 2

Even if they are in a spot to negotiate... Schenn and Couts are not on the table. Match and carry-on, but its now day 5, and Nashville still hasnt matched. If it was as easy as them just matching, it likely would have happened by now.

if they CANT match you're right. if they can they hold ALL the cards. get what you want or sign weber long term, which is what they wanted all along. i believe they match. wilson has the cash.
- predswilrule

I think Nashville is strongly considering matching the offer which would lead me to think sending them Voracek and Bourdon (2 RFAs) and Meszaros who is coming off back surgery isn't going to be enough with 3 first round picks. I think if its 2 1sts and the Schenn Brothers, it's a different story.

and not that it matters, but it would only be 26 mil that Weber would get as his $1 mil salary would be lost.
- jak521

How ever will he manage? Three Lamborginis instead of four?

I need my dosage of Tomahawk!