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Bob Duff
Location: Windsor, ON
Joined: 11.10.2014

Jun 24 @ 11:26 PM ET
Bob Duff: Ouellet to be bought out; Russo dealt The Detroit Red Wings moved out two depth defenseman on a busy Sunday.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jun 25 @ 1:30 AM ET
If I recall from looking into him, he shows strongly on the PK and team-relative numbers. Obviously only as a bottom pairing guy, but an effective bottom pairing can do wonders for a team.
datswho
Detroit Red Wings
Location: MI
Joined: 05.25.2013

Jun 25 @ 3:05 AM ET
We had 7 bottom pair guys. Even a good bottom pair guy couldnt help
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jun 25 @ 8:19 AM ET
If I recall from looking into him, he shows strongly on the PK and team-relative numbers. Obviously only as a bottom pairing guy, but an effective bottom pairing can do wonders for a team.
- MaximumBone

So we’re Kindl, Sproul, Smith, Almqvist, Marchenko, Meech, Ledba, etc.
DRW1991
Detroit Red Wings
Joined: 07.05.2016

Jun 25 @ 8:41 AM ET
Not sure I understand the buyout. Stashing him in the minors only cost ~50k more toward the cap this year and you don't have any lingering effects next year. Unless Illitch is really tight for cash all of a sudden or the Wings think he will get claimed.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jun 25 @ 8:44 AM ET
Not sure I understand the buyout. Stashing him in the minors only cost ~50k more toward the cap this year and you don't have any lingering effects next year. Unless Illitch is really tight for cash all of a sudden or the Wings think he will get claimed.
- DRW1991

It was more about freeing up the logjam between GR and the 3-7 spots in DET. Same with the Russo trade. Not a loss, XO kinda blew.
porkchops1977
Detroit Red Wings
Joined: 07.23.2013

Jun 25 @ 8:56 AM ET
Guys like Ouellet are a dime a dozen. Might as well try to give that roster spot to somebody else.
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Jun 25 @ 9:12 AM ET
Not sure I understand the buyout. Stashing him in the minors only cost ~50k more toward the cap this year and you don't have any lingering effects next year. Unless Illitch is really tight for cash all of a sudden or the Wings think he will get claimed.


He's 24 so that is still a possibility he gets claimed? I haven't seen the wings play enough to know much about him? Would he be an upgrade over someone like Polak?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:13 AM ET
If I recall from looking into him, he shows strongly on the PK and team-relative numbers. Obviously only as a bottom pairing guy, but an effective bottom pairing can do wonders for a team.
- MaximumBone

Neither XO or Russo can skate well enough to be consistently effective in the NHL.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:14 AM ET
It was more about freeing up the logjam between GR and the 3-7 spots in DET. Same with the Russo trade. Not a loss, XO kinda blew.
- RafiDRW

Yep. Hopefully a couple can make DET but it gives Sulak and Cholowski major roles in GR worst case.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:15 AM ET
He's 24 so that is still a possibility he gets claimed? I haven't seen the wings play enough to know much about him? Would he be an upgrade over someone like Polak?
- leafsfann

Over Polak. Yes. But that is a pretty low bar.
Sven22
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:22 AM ET
Good moves from KH.

I was moderately surprised (in a good way!) at the buyout for XO rather than simply burying him in the minors. It actually makes a lot of sense. Saves money IRL and against the cap (albeit over 2 years instead of one), but more importantly it clears a roster spot wherever he would have ended up (Detroit or GR).

Presumably they attempted to trade him and couldn't find any takers; it's possible they might have had more luck on that front if they waited until camp, but probably safer/smarter to use the buyout window instead while it's open. The chance at a 7th rounder (or even a waiver claim) later isn't worth the risk of possibly (probably) getting stuck with him for another full year.

Russo I think still has an outside shot to play a couple of years as a bottom pair NHL defender (or at the very least, he can be a good anchor vet for somebody's AHL team), but again, players like that are not exactly rare or hard to acquire and the Wings need to make space in GR for players who have more upside.

Barring additional moves the Griffins still have Lashoff and McIlrath as placeholder vets, plus they'll get one or two of Hronek / Hicketts / Sulak depending on who doesn't make the Wings out of camp, plus they need to be able to get meaningful ice time to Cholowski and Saarijarvi. Plus it looks like they might still re-sign Renouf, who did get a qualifying offer.

So yeah, clearing out some borderline NHL/AHL D-men is definitely a good move for the health of the system.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jun 25 @ 9:22 AM ET
Yep. Hopefully a couple can make DET but it gives Sulak and Cholowski major roles in GR worst case.
- Feds91Stammer

This. Hronek up, Hicketts too possibly. Kronwall is done after this season most likely. This is a good thing.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jun 25 @ 9:23 AM ET
Over Polak. Yes. But that is a pretty low bar.
- Feds91Stammer

Marchenko 2.0 situation. Overrated and overplayed. I still miss Almqvist.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:26 AM ET
Marchenko 2.0 situation. Overrated and overplayed. I still miss Almqvist.
- RafiDRW

Meh. He has been relatively average since leaving. Probably another guy that can't skate at the top pro levels.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:28 AM ET
This. Hronek up, Hicketts too possibly. Kronwall is done after this season most likely. This is a good thing.
- RafiDRW

Kronwall done after this season and an Ericsson buyout makes more sense next off-season.

Sign Karlsson

Cholowski - Karlsson
Sulak - Hronek
Hicketts/DeKeyser/Daley
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:29 AM ET
Good moves from KH.

I was moderately surprised (in a good way!) at the buyout for XO rather than simply burying him in the minors. It actually makes a lot of sense. Saves money IRL and against the cap (albeit over 2 years instead of one), but more importantly it clears a roster spot wherever he would have ended up (Detroit or GR).

Presumably they attempted to trade him and couldn't find any takers; it's possible they might have had more luck on that front if they waited until camp, but probably safer/smarter to use the buyout window instead while it's open. The chance at a 7th rounder (or even a waiver claim) later isn't worth the risk of possibly (probably) getting stuck with him for another full year.

Russo I think still has an outside shot to play a couple of years as a bottom pair NHL defender (or at the very least, he can be a good anchor vet for somebody's AHL team), but again, players like that are not exactly rare or hard to acquire and the Wings need to make space in GR for players who have more upside.

Barring additional moves the Griffins still have Lashoff and McIlrath as placeholder vets, plus they'll get one or two of Hronek / Hicketts / Sulak depending on who doesn't make the Wings out of camp, plus they need to be able to get meaningful ice time to Cholowski and Saarijarvi. Plus it looks like they might still re-sign Renouf, who did get a qualifying offer.

So yeah, clearing out some borderline NHL/AHL D-men is definitely a good move for the health of the system.

- Sven22

He needs to have a great year or I will no longer have any hopes for him.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jun 25 @ 9:33 AM ET
Kronwall done after this season and an Ericsson buyout makes more sense next off-season.

Sign Karlsson and Doughty, trade Daley

Doughty - Karlsson
Cholowski - Hronek
Hicketts/DeKeyser/Sulak

- Feds91Stammer

That’s not terrible by any measure.

But here’s my fix.
Sven22
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:36 AM ET
Marchenko 2.0 situation. Overrated and overplayed. I still miss Almqvist.
- RafiDRW


I've been going to Griffins games since their inaugural season and Almqvist would probably make my all-time favorite starting five. Absolutely loved watching that guy play. Not sure he ever would have had NHL-level chops (probably not) but bummed he never got the chance to find out either way.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jun 25 @ 9:36 AM ET
Meh. He has been relatively average since leaving. Probably another guy that can't skate at the top pro levels.
- Feds91Stammer

AA names just don’t work out as hoped.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:36 AM ET
That’s not terrible by any measure.

But here’s my fix.

- RafiDRW

Turn Offer sheet mode on too.

Werenski - Karlsson
Cholowski - Doughty
Sulak - Hronek
Hicketts
Sven22
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007

Jun 25 @ 9:37 AM ET
He needs to have a great year or I will no longer have any hopes for him.
- Feds91Stammer


Oh, I definitely agree. But still, give him at least a legit chance to succeed and see if he can.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jun 25 @ 9:37 AM ET
I've been going to Griffins games since their inaugural season and Almqvist would probably make my all-time favorite starting five. Absolutely loved watching that guy play. Not sure he ever would have had NHL-level chops but bummed he never got the chance to find out either way.
- Sven22

Yeah. I felt the exact same way. He was an AHL beast. But probably not ever going to amount to anything more than XO or Sproul.
RafiDRW
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Bill Cosby’s Magic Wiener #FireBlashill, TN
Joined: 04.16.2016

Jun 25 @ 9:38 AM ET
Turn Offer sheet mode on too. x2

Werenski - Karlsson
Cholowski - Doughty
Ellis - Hronek
Hicketts

- Feds91Stammer


Expanded upon.


God, our forward lines are going to be FULL of ELCs.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jun 25 @ 9:40 AM ET
Expanded upon.


God, our forward lines are going to be FULL of ELCs.

- RafiDRW

Might as well trade Cholo and get Provorov too
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