Risto IMO is a top 2 Dman

Dobson IMO is not and I doubt the number 26 pick is a top two Dman either

That is my opinion only
- VANTEL

As mentioned, counterproductive to acquire these players at this point in the rebuild.

Boqvist?
- Pres.cup

I like him

As mentioned, counterproductive to acquire these players at this point in the rebuild.
- LeftCoaster

The poor horse.

Bo, Brock, Elias, Thatcher to come

I counted 3 seeing Bo was drafted by Gillis but you can probably add Gaudette.

As for guys like Lind Gadjovich Lockwood , I am sure one will pan out but I doubt if we see a bunch of them.
- VANTEL

JV likely not a core piece but will still be a solid 3rd liner for us. OJ will be a core piece, he will be a top 4 dman in this league and still has top pairing potential(just seems less likely now that he will reach it). Benning in 4 years has more NHL players after the first round than Gillis in all his years.

JV likely not a core piece but will still be a solid 3rd liner for us. OJ will be a core piece, he will be a top 4 dman in this league and still has top pairing potential(just seems less likely now that he will reach it). Benning in 4 years has more NHL players after the first round than Gillis in all his years.
- Retinalz

My thoughts(and words) exactly

JV likely not a core piece but will still be a solid 3rd liner for us. OJ will be a core piece, he will be a top 4 dman in this league and still has top pairing potential(just seems less likely now that he will reach it). Benning in 4 years has more NHL players after the first round than Gillis in all his years.
- Retinalz

I should hope so, Benning picked 6th, 5th, 5th, 23rd and now 7th overall. Gillis almost picked last (in the first round) every year.

Edit: not defending Gillis, he was a tard, but that's just an unfair comparison.

I should hope so, Benning picked 6th, 5th, 5th, 23rd and now 7th overall. Gillis almost picked last (in the first round) every year.

Edit: not defending Gillis, he was a tard, but that's just an unfair comparison.
- LeftCoaster

I stated after 1st round. Even so Bennings 23rd OA is better than every pick Gillis ever made aside from Bo at 9.

What does that have to do with Competing? It has to do with giving young guys decent players to play with.


Does OJ have a better chance of putting up better numbers with Stecher or Ristolienen
Does Pettersson have a better chance of scoring with Chaput Sutter Dowd or Ryan O Reilly?
Does Gaudette get more assists with Gaunce Leipsic or James Neal

You just can't send out an AHL roster year after year and say be patient. Are we really that much closer to a cup since Benning took over? Having the worst record in the NHL over the last 4 years tells me no.
- VANTEL

And I believe the reason for that is because they have continually tried the quick fix. The true rebuild starts today. Giving up 1st round picks for players more ready to play will only continue this misery.

I stated after 1st round. Even so Bennings 23rd OA is better than every pick Gillis ever made aside from Bo at 9.
- Retinalz

I read that wrong, I thought it said in the first round. Gillis drafting was horrible no question

I should hope so, Benning picked 6th, 5th, 5th, 23rd and now 7th overall. Gillis almost picked last (in the first round) every year.

Edit: not defending Gillis, he was a tard, but that's just an unfair comparison.
- LeftCoaster

this, not sure why people comparing Benning's drafting with out previous GM's. Why are we setting the bar so damn low?

If you want to build a contender then the bar needs to be set higher than some arbitrary "2-3 NHL'ers from each draft" regardless of how good those players are, how many picks we had, how strong that draft was, how high we picked, etc.

For example, if you have a top 5 pick, and a later 1st plus all of your other picks, you should probably come out of that draft with more than just a Virtanen, Gaunce and Hutton for it be "successful"

And I believe the reason for that is because they have continually tried the quick fix. The true rebuild starts today. Giving up 1st round picks for players more ready to play will only continue this misery.
- 1970vintage

See Toronto Maple Leafs from 1968 onward for example

As mentioned, counterproductive to acquire these players at this point in the rebuild.
- LeftCoaster

The poor horse.
- Marwood

And I believe the reason for that is because they have continually tried the quick fix. The true rebuild starts today. Giving up 1st round picks for players more ready to play will only continue this misery.
- 1970vintage

i'm not against acquiring good young players, but i'd try to avoid giving up a top 10 pick.

i would do Tanev and a 3nd for Risto.
or Edler and a 2nd.

Gives Dahlen someone steady to play with.

Not groundbreaking stuff here, but I know Don will be pumped:

http://dailyhive.com/vanc...a-tryamkin-return-canucks

i'm not against acquiring good young players, but i'd try to avoid giving up a top 10 pick.

i would do Tanev and a 3nd for Risto.
or Edler and a 2nd.

Gives Dahlen someone steady to play with.
- dbot

I don't see Buffalo making either trade

Not groundbreaking stuff here, but I know Don will be pumped:

http://dailyhive.com/vanc...a-tryamkin-return-canucks
- WhiteLie

Aready saw this 😡

I don't see Buffalo making either trade
- Nucker101

No way. Lot of fun summer dreaming happening today

I don't see Buffalo making either trade
- Nucker101

neither do i.
more an indication of what i'd be happy to give up.

I read that wrong, I thought it said in the first round. Gillis drafting was horrible no question
- LeftCoaster

And that is 100% why we are where we are. If Gillis had drafted better in his early days we would have players That stepped in without Benning feeling like he had to go and spend futures for them. Benning should have done better, but sometimes a panick to keep your job because the last guy (frank)ed up so bad forces you to try and patch things.

Not groundbreaking stuff here, but I know Don will be pumped:

http://dailyhive.com/vanc...a-tryamkin-return-canucks
- WhiteLie

Willie D was in over his head in the NHL, Tryamkin playing 16 mins while Hutton/Stetcher/Sbisa played 20 mins per game was stupid.

I wish Tryamkin wasn't such a female dog about it, but WD still deserves criticism for being dumb with his coaching decisions. The man was using Sutter like he was prime Kesler lol.

I'd gladly take him back, he has more upside than Hutton/Stetcher/Pouliot/Sautner/Brisebois

See Toronto Maple Leafs from 1968 onward for example
- LeftCoaster

My one real problem with any of this is that everything costs more. A player drafted 5 years ago, 8th I would add, isn’t worth two first round picks, when just one pick is likely to yield a player of equal quality, but in a time frame that matches the progression of the team better.

Willie D was in over his head in the NHL, Tryamkin playing 16 mins while Hutton/Stetcher/Sbisa played 20 mins per game was stupid.

I wish Tryamkin wasn't such a female dog about it, but WD still deserves criticism for being dumb with his coaching decisions. The man was using Sutter like he was prime Kesler lol.

I'd gladly take him back, he has more upside than Hutton/Stetcher/Pouliot/Sautner/Brisebois
- Nucker101

Where do you think he'd slot in on the 2018 Canucks?
(summer dreaming)

edit: So you've got him behind Edler, Tanev, Guds and MDZ ?

And I believe the reason for that is because they have continually tried the quick fix. The true rebuild starts today. Giving up 1st round picks for players more ready to play will only continue this misery.
- 1970vintage

Willie D was in over his head in the NHL, Tryamkin playing 16 mins while Hutton/Stetcher/Sbisa played 20 mins per game was stupid.

I wish Tryamkin wasn't such a female dog about it, but WD still deserves criticism for being dumb with his coaching decisions. The man was using Sutter like he was prime Kesler lol.

I'd gladly take him back, he has more upside than Hutton/Stetcher/Pouliot/Sautner/Brisebois
- Nucker101

When he left, I was optimistic they would draft his replacement in a projected top-4, but they haven't. I would happily plug him back into a top 4 spot given the bleak outlook behind Juolevi

Maturity is at least something people eventually grow into. Going back to the KHL and returning more suited to NHL play is not a rare thing